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Mazda Protegé

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  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    Which Mazda dealer did you get that deal at? Morries? Walser? My brother is looking at cars now and he wants a Civic EX coupe because he doesn't want to get the same car as me. I simply don't understand that. For what he is into, the Civic is clearly an inferior car, but he just can't have the same car as me. For more money than a Protege you get: Hubcabs, 185-15 tires, rear drum brakes, and the chance to see your car driving around 50 times a day. That doesn't sound like a good deal to me.

    I put synthetic in my transmission as soon as I got my car because I knew it would be hard to shift in the winter with that thick of a fluid. I used Valvoline Synpower GL5. I also bought Dunlop Graspic 195/60/15s on steel wheels for about $400. I think the winter tires are a necessity here in MN.
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    I haven't driven the 1.8L in the Protege, but from what I've heard, I'd rather have the 2.0L. I just came from a car that had lots of zing way up high on the tach and not much anywhere else. The 1.8L is just a de-stroked version of the 2.0L. By nature, the 1.8L is going to be the peakier engine. The 2.0L has around 100 lbs-ft of torque at around 2000 rpm and a very flat torque curve. Around town, the 2.0L feels just fine because it has power on tap almost all the time. You don't have to beat it to get it going. Having people in the car doesn't handicap the acceleration as bad either. I bought the car knowing full well the characteristics of the engine. I think it suits a small 4 door sedan quite well.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    The 2.0L engine is fine for someone who wants more power low down. The 1.8L isn't really lacking at low rpm, but you have to rev it up. The fun part is when you do rev it up, it doesn't sound like crap.

    Meade: You have a 2000 and a 2002 Protege! Why don't you drive both and compare?
  • meinradmeinrad Posts: 820
    "P.S. My 2000 ES just passed 38,000 trouble-free miles."

    Thats great. I am a few miles short of 5000 and am so happy to not have one complaint. Tire pressure was correct, no shakes, no shimmies, no rattles, no nothing. Not one initial quality problem. So if my car can continue this way, I won't have to beat Meade up since his devotion to the Protege is one reason I'm driving one.
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    I don't think the 2.0L sounds like crap though. It sounds like a regular 4 cylinder....and neither the 1.8L, the 2.0L, or your 1.8T sound anywhere near as cool as my old Integra's VTEC motor. It sounded like one pissed off 4 cylinder. IMO, this is an area where Honda can't be beat. BTW, the 1.8T near redline isn't exactly harmonious either.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    Raymond -- You mean I, little ol' (ha) me, influenced your decision to zoom zoom? Well, let me tell you my friend, you're in good company! My first 1992 LX saved my life when my crappy Poortenzas hydroplaned -- 45 mph into the back of a Volvo station wagon; no airbags yet I walked out of it; my second 1992 LX was still zoomin' along with never one problem when I traded it at 83,000 miles; my 2000 ES is doin' just fine at 38,000 miles, and my wife's 2002 Protege5 is doing fine at 4,500 miles.

    Paul: I'd love to drive my wife's Protege5. But so far she won't let me!!! :( I think it has to do with the fact that I never taught her how to drive my 5-speed -- a little "backatcha." Oh well, it's fun being a passenger too -- and letting her have her fun. After all, I'm not missing much -- I have zoom-zoom capabilities too! No, what I'd really like to see is some numbers. 150cc isn't that big a difference, and people really shouldn't "[non-permissible content removed]-U-ME" there is one if they've never driven the 1.8. My car has no problem at all in around-town driving or acceleration. Maybe because I have the 5-speed, I dunno. But I do know that I test drove the automatic first, and then the 5-speed -- and there was a HUGE difference in zoom factor. You guys (and gals) driving automatics don't know what you're missing.

    Meade
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    You oughta test-drive a Protege5 before you buy that Jetta wagon.

    Meade
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I know what a Protege5 drives like though. I had the 2001 ES model. I still like the Jetta bettah. :) I am sure they are not going to mess up the car again though, so I probably don't have to worry about the Jetta wagon.

    And I was thinking if they do take this car back, I don't know if I want another VW anyway. I like the car alot, better than anything I have driven, but it's too much drama to deal with.
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    I don't need to "[non-permissible content removed]-UME" that there is a difference between the 1.8L and the 2.0L. I KNOW what the difference is. A simplified way of looking at the difference would be pointing out the 150cc difference in the displacement. There is more to it than that my friend. Because the 1.8L is a short-stroke version of the 2.0L, it will inherantly have a completely different power band. Read some stuff about over-square and under-square engine designs.
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Posts: 2,405
    #13566 of 13579 Mazda Protege Sedan LX by offham Jun 04, 2002 (05:03 am)
    Close to above and dealer offering $2000 off sticker plus the $1500. Options are Cassette, Moon Roof, Alloy Wheels, Locking Hub Nuts, Mats and believe ABS/Side Air Bags.

    As I am normally on the van site, this looks to me a reasonable deal. Any comments
  • rbrooks3rbrooks3 Posts: 174
    I'm closing on 6,000 and have had no problems since Mazda changed the wiring harness. Another 32k with no problems would be hapilly welcomed. I have the Dunlops on my car and they are good in wet and dry. We didn't get much sloppy stuff here on Long Island this past winter after I got the car so I can't comment there.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I had a 2001 Protege with the Dunlops, and they were great in wet and dry weather. Alot better than what I hear about the Potenzas that came on earlier ES models.

    What part of LI are you on? My good friend grew up there. :)
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    I'm not talking about engine design. I'm talking about TESTING these cars at a TRACK. I don't care what shape my block is or how long my stroke is (LOL), I want to know what it comes down to in zero-to-60s, quarter miles, etc.

    Meade
  • the_big_hthe_big_h Posts: 1,583
    uh huh, no comment... :D
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    Just remember that my Dunlops ain't your Dunlops. Yours are better high-performance tires and are V-rated, I believe. My SP Sports are H-rated but they're designed for wet-weather traction and score much higher marks in that type of driving -- with a slightly lower score (but still impressive) in cornering. Much higher treadwear rating than the Poortenzas too (420 vs. 160, if I remember correctly). 50,000 mile treadlife warranty too.

    Meade
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    That's why I inserted "(LOL)" there, big guy.

    Meade
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    I don't think there is much difference in absolute performance (0-60, 1/4 mile) between the two engines. The 2001s have more power but they are heavier. The difference between the two is in the characterisics of their powerbands. We've already established that the 1.8L likes to rev and the 2.0L has it's available power down low. IMO, I like the 2.0L better because it's less labored by having passengers in the car and using accesories such as A/C. I don't need to drive the 1.8L to know this. The 2.0L may not have that much more HP, but it has a significant advantage in torque AND that torque comes sooner in the RPM band.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    Oh well.

    Meade
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    That's just the way it is. Look at all of the high-rpm screamer engines. They have impressive hp numbers and torque peaks WAY up high. Then take a look at the engines that have low-down torque and flat torque curves. They usually run out of power well before redline....but then you shift and are right back in the power band. I've owned two cars that are on opposite ends of this spectrum. My 5.0L mustang felt like it could pull tree stumps out of the ground at 1000 rpm, but ran out of juice just before 5000 rpms. My Integra didn't even start to party until 5000 rpms and was completely dead before that. I like both styles for different reasons.
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    And I was thinking if they do take this car back, I don't know if I want another VW anyway. I like the car alot, better than anything I have driven, but it's too much drama to deal with.

    It seems that you aren't in a good position to have your car bought back by VW. At one year old and an upside down loan, you'll be paying them to take it off your hands. I hope you have some reserves or a very creative finance guy.
  • rbrooks3rbrooks3 Posts: 174
    I live in Stony Brook which is in Suffolk County but work in Jericho which is in Nassau County. A nice 60 miles of Zoom zoom each day.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,322
    I spent a few years in Dix Hills, LI. You pass by my old high-school stomping grounds every day.

    Pro-related comment: it sure is amusing hearing how people wish for more power from their 1.8 and 2.0L engines when I have loads of fun with my 1.6L engine. Must be a blast with the 1.8 or 2.0.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    Unless you are going to buy me a new car in a year, then I think I will be keeping the Jetta, but thank you for your opinion anyway.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    My friend grew up around Hauppauge. He liked it alot on the Island. I have never been though.
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    It sounded like you were hoping VW would take away your current car. (maltb butts his head back out)
  • meinradmeinrad Posts: 820
    You were probaby being facetious, but don't be sorry anyway. He has continually said that VW will be buying back his car if it is not fixed correctly this time. He already has picked the trim level and color of the Jetta Wagon he wants. The tune changes, but the song remains the same.
  • dsm6dsm6 Posts: 813
    It's very much relative. Got a Yugo as your daily driver? Then the Pro is a rocket. Got a muscle car? Then I hope you like being able to actually turn now because the car is gutless and both the 1.8 and 2.0 lack low end power.

    I find that even which car I drive to the lot before a test drive has a big effect on my perception of the test driven car's performance - on everything from power to handling to comfort.

    Oh, but in general on power - one thing that isn't relative: too much is not enough! ;-)
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    That's true. When compared with other engines, the 1.8L or 2.0L are gutless and lack low down torque. I could say that about ANY naturally aspirated small 4 cylinder including the 240 hp 2.0L in the S2000. My old 5.0L had more torque at IDLE than the 2.0L in the Protege has at PEAK. I remember driving my Integra after selling the Mustang and thinking that the Integra was completely gutless and slow when in fact most people would consider the VTEC Integra fast. Like you said, it's all relative.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    Malt: They said they would have to go further if the car was not fixed correctly this time. I don't want them to take the car back, I like it. I would like to have a car that doesn't have dumb little problems though. If they cannot fix the car right, I want another one. That makes sense, right? If I did not like the car, I would not want another VW Jetta, I would want another brand or model.

    Meinrad: I said about the car because that is what I was told. And the trim level and color was picked anyway, because I just went through this 6 months ago when I bought the sedan.
  • dsm6dsm6 Posts: 813
    Yeah. The question is, though, are the trade-offs worth it. And the trade-offs can be a personal thing. For me, the trade-off in cost, reliability, and handling with the Pro were worth the loss of power and NVH. Other folks mileage may vary.
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