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Mazda Protegé

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  • protegextwoprotegextwo Posts: 1,265
    Pat,I don't know if I really like the number "7"? Permanent sounds like a really loooog time! When, we reach 2000 posts at "Mazda Protege 7", would you consider re-naming this discussion, MAZDA PROTEGE:"The Best Econo Sports Sedan in the World"? Hehe!!!

    Pete, you almost got us in trouble! The hosts makes lists of rowdy posters and discussions, lucky for us; patHOST is the most understanding, best looking and intelligent host, next to Apex_8 at Edmunds! You want us to get in the "bad boy" report like the guys in the Daewoo or Zanio Wax topics?, lol!!!!
    Speedy, I love your guts!

    Respectfully;
    Larry
  • leomortleomort Posts: 451
    hkchan, I think I was trying to split hairs. So I guess they are one and the same. But you addressed my concern. Thanks :)

    I can't wait to see Protege hatchback. Heard they're only coming out in five colors, with three of them being "hot" colors or somesort. Hope they can keep the price to 18 grand or under.

    Also can anyone exlpain as to why they like 16" tires on the Protege? Does it help the preformance that much over 15" tires. Do those larger tires look nice on the Protege? I put alot of miles/year on my car and I'm thinking ouch in my pocket book when it comes time to replace those 16" tires. Currently my car has 14" tires and a good tire cost me about $65. What do good 16" tires run? Am I being too picky by being concern about car's tire cost, part cost, gas mileage, and insurance??? Do you guys take this into consideration when buying a new car?

    Leo
  • nikecarnikecar Posts: 460
    16" tires allow for a wider tread. It allows the car to be more responsive in cornering. but the pitfalls are the ride may not be as smooth. but if you want zoom zoom, its a good trade off. if you get the 01 ES, I will gladly trade my 15" for your 16" :)

    And you can get decent tires for under $100. there are a 16" I am looking at for my Alty when i get new rims.
  • hkchanhkchan Posts: 420
    In the case of the ES's 16" tires vs the LX's 15" tires, the widths are "exactly" the same - 195mm. But the 16" ones are 50-series (tire sectional height is 50% of the tread width) and the 15" ones are 55-series. Shorter sectional height translates into harsher ride and quicker steering response (assuming everything else being the same) - the amount delay the tire takes to actually move to the intended position after the wheel is turned. The overall diameters of the two tires are practically the same.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I finally got to test drive the new 2001 Protege yesterday at Darcars Mazda/VW on Route 1 in Laurel. It was a Sandrift 2.0 LX model with automatic and cassette/CD. The engine is noisier when first accelerating (to me) than my 1.6-liter DX model is. And it's a little rougher too. Other than that, the entire car is better. It handles better than my DX, has ALOT more power, and the doors now close with a solid "thunk" not found on the DX. The only problems for me was the seat comfort. The seats in the one I drove did not have the "poking" in my back like my DX does (thank GOD!). BUT, the back support around the lumbar area was nonexistent. I drove the car for something like 15 minutes, and my back hurt when I got out. Too bad, because I really did like the entire driving experience.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    Hi everybody! Here's two cool things that have happened to me in the last 24 hours:

    One.

    Saw my first 2001 Protege commercial last night, with the Protege ZOOM ZOOMing behind a Miata, and that cool little kid standing by the side of the road whispering, "Zoom zoom ..." It was cool. My wife thinks I'm totally whacko when I crank the volume during these commercials and bounce around on the sofa like I've lost my mind!!!

    Two.

    I had the most ear-to-ear grin yesterday on the way home from work after what I'm about to describe happened: I was coming out of one of our beloved TOLL BOOTHS on I-195 in Richmond, and I had accelerated up to about 35 mph when I noticed that the lane I was in was occupied ahead by a lumbering, slow-moving tractor-trailer. There was only one other lane available, and it was occupied at that point by a fairly new looking Mustang GT.

    Now let me stop right here and say that I used to own a 1994 Mazda B2300 pickup that contained, unfortunately, a FORD engine. Among the many things that failed under its hood during the five hellish years I was stuck with it was a little item called a Throttle Position Sensor. OK, back to story:

    I, the proud owner of a 2000 Protege ES 5-speed, popped my stick down into third and dumped the clutch. ZOOM ZOOM!!! I started accelerating, intending to get around the Mustang and pass the tractor-trailer. Well, the guy in the Mustang, which was right beside me, floored it (it obviously was an automatic), intending to keep me from implementing my plan. But to my total enjoyment and his utter embarrassment, the only response from his Mustang was a loud roar and a cloud of smoke from his dual exhaust pipes. The car didn't accelerate AT ALL!!! It was no problem passing him gracefully, with plenty of room to spare.

    Thought you guys might like this. We need to stop discussing so much techno and finance stuff, and post some stories about how much FUN we have with our cars!!!

    (BTW, believe it or not, I never broke the speed limit in the above post.)

    ZOOM ZOOM ZOOOOOMMMMMM!!!!

    Meadeball
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    Great post Meade, but I'm not buying the part about not breaking the speed limit.

    As far as your tribalistic disease that shows its symptoms when under the influence of Zoom, I think it's called Zoomnia. I believe it's a more severe strain of the Farvegnugen virus. Tell your wife there is no cure for this disease other than to keep it alive and well. A lack of Zoom would have very severe side affects.

    :)
  • nikecarnikecar Posts: 460
    I'm not talking stock sizes. a 16" can take a wider and more lower profile tire than at 15" mainly because as rim size increase, tire companies make wider and lower profile tires.

    I'd like to see a 40 series on a 14" or even 15" for that matter.
  • leomortleomort Posts: 451
    the Protege has front and rear disc brakes which are better the disc/drum combination. So with all disc brakes do you still need or want ABS?

    Leo
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    ABS is a steering function. Stopping distances are increased with ABS but it helps to keep you from sliding sideways in a brake/turn situation. I preffer not to have ABS(with the exception of rear ABS on a truck), but you should practice panic stops with both systems.

    Lots more to post, but it gets boring.
    :)
  • uttutt Posts: 16
    In 1996 I paid 7K for a '93 Protege LX. Loved that car. Four years later it was totaled in an accident. Got 4.8K back. IMO a depreciation of 2.2K for 4 years of pleasurable driving wasn't too bad. Their resale value has certainly improved.
  • speedyptspeedypt Posts: 200
    Pat (our distinguished and gracious host)...thank you for letting me know. I admit to not having read about all the new features of the software now being used. But I did get to place the 1st post! :-)

    Larry, thanks man. It feels good to post in here. I consider all Protege owners my friends, and especially those that post here!

    GOOD NEWS FOR THE DAY: I am flying out tomorrow to interview with a company in Chicago for a much better position (pay and environment). Wish me luck gang! If it works out, I will be back in the "Land of Lincoln" by the beginning of March for good.

    BAD NEWS FOR THE DAY: I must be jinxed. I was following traffic up I-17 North on my way to work this morning. Brake lights, cars swerving, LARGE BOARD!!!! (Like a railroad tie) Slammed the brakes, swerved to the HOV lane, still hit part of the board. Pulled over and looked at my baby to find the passenger side of the front bumper scuffed badly, the splash shields were destroyed (those flimsy plastic covers underneath the front end) and some chips in the front of the bumper cover. Got an estimate already to the tune of $500. It could have been worse. The bumper cover will need to be repainted, the splash shields replaced, and I'll need to check my CV boots for cuts. Oh well...whaddagonnado? Other than the cosmetic damage, it seems to drive just fine. I made out better than those who hit it before me. (An Acura RL ahead of me took it full on and had three flat tires/bent rims and a LOT of front end damage.)

    Meade...you're nuts....but I understand how you feel about those Zoom Zoom commercials. I crank the volume too! My wife just laughs.

    Regards and TGIF!!

    Pete
  • hkchanhkchan Posts: 420
    utt, the "problem" with Protege's resale value is not from year 3 to year 7. It's from new to year 3 for example.
  • hboydhboyd Posts: 98
    ABS actually reduces stopping distance on nearly all road surfaces (except sand and gravel). ABS prevents skidding during straight-ahead braking too. Skidding increases stopping distances. A car with ABS will not skid during a panic stop. Only the '01 Protege ES comes with standard 4-wheel disc brakes (ABS is optional); 4-wheel discs are not available on the other trims. ABS is definately a must-have safety feature in my opinion -- even in sunny Southern California.

    MARTIN
  • leomortleomort Posts: 451
    for the '01 Protege ES is an option that I was debating getting. Sound like it's worth the $800 option. My auto insurance person say these features will only reduce my premiums by a few dollars but says it's a worthwhile safety investment.

    Leo
  • hkchanhkchan Posts: 420
    I thought cars with ABS do skid, but not continuously like with no ABS. The system has to sense skidding (or wheels locking up) first before it can intervene. It does not predict skidding.
  • My '01 ES does not have ABS. That would have been a must if I lived in Wisconsin, However now that I'm in San Diego-I didn't see the need. Also there wasn't a Pro ES available with that option when I wanted to buy one! I've only needed to use the ABS in my past cars during Winter. It was a lifesaver (literally) once on a snow/gravel/iced road. So if you live anywhere with snow I would recommend them. With the little rain we get here, I just can't see the need. Driving a bit more cautiously works just as well. IMO
    About hkchan's post: My past cars with ABS didn't allow me to push down far enough on the brake to even start to skid. (most of the time) I could get the car to start skidding on the first hard braking maneuver once in a while. After that it was just an annoying chatter.
    p.s. I would have liked the side air bags however.
  • nikecarnikecar Posts: 460
    they don't (or shouldn't skid) unless as hboyd says on sand and gravel or on any loose material on the road. The car senses when it is going to skid and applies the brakes in a pulsing motion to combate it. but since its all almost instantaneous, the only thing you feel is the hard pulsing coming from your brakes.
  • After washing my protrge ( for the first time ), I found a lot of water on the inside of the doors. I do not know if anyone else has noticed this. Mine is a 2001. All the doors are the same. The doors seem to have a tight seal, but I guess not. I used armoral on the dash. The owners manual says to use a spray that is vinyl and leather safe....what is up with that. I do not see any leather in my car ( unless I am blind ). It all looks like plastic and vinyl.
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