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Mazda Protegé

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  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I just recently heard about the 225-hp turbo engine going into the Focus and possibly the Protege for 2004. Also, I know the EVI VII is on its way for Mitsubishi, so I am curious to see that. Nissan has the Z car out now, but that's not really in the same class. That's the only thing I know with them now though.

    I actually liked the way my ex-roommate's Neon drove and the seats, but it was just pretty unreliable.
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    Nissan has to have something up it's sleeve for the Sentra. They aren't going to sit back and watch the SE-R get it's [non-permissible content removed] kicked, cause that's what's gonna happen if Nissan gets lazy.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    Well I know Nissan had a problem with the SE-R engines when they came out. The HP figures were wrong or something like that, from what I remember.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    http://www.auto.com/industry/iwirf6_20021106.htm


    (The sorrowful violin music plays on)


    Meade

  • dsm6dsm6 Posts: 813
    As a driving enthusiast, you've got to love it. It may come around to bite the folks who pick up these machines, though, through outrageous insurance premiums.

    That's one advantage of putting together your own budget hot rod - your insurance agent doesn't need to be aware of the fact that you can run a 13 second quarter mile. For factory tuned cars, the manufacturer lets everyone in on the secret. I guess the effect is somewhat limited by the low volume, special edition of a production car nature of these vehicles.

    I guess there is always a price to pay. You can't afford the speed if you can't afford to bleed (money, one way or the other).
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    I have seen very few examples of cars that were tuned right for the same price you'd pay for a factory job with higher insurance premiums.

    I learned this with all the fun I had with watercooled VWs. I went full circle with side draft carbs and a full flow head only to end up with my last one being a completely stock Jetta that I sold in good condition at 175k miles.
  • dsm6dsm6 Posts: 813
    Yes, it is easy to get the tuning wrong, but not impossible to get it right. It will cost you, no doubt about it, and you can kiss your warranty good-bye.

    OTOH, I can remember some factory tuners in the past that, as a result of escalating horsepower wars, were near impossible to insure because many companies were flat out refusing to write policies on them. Obviously that is the extreme case, but there have been many others for which you could get insurance, but you had to pay big time for it.

    Like I said, one way or the other, it seems like you always have to pay to play (as many kids have discovered after buying their oh so affordable Camaros only to find they couldn't even come close to insuring it, and as many other kids have discovered when their supercharged Civics seize).
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    "(as many kids have discovered after buying their oh so affordable Camaros only to find they couldn't even come close to insuring it)."

    Hey, that was me, only it was a 91' LX 5.0L Mustang. It wasn't just the insurance either. These things like to consume a lot of gas, tires, and brakes also.
  • dsm6dsm6 Posts: 813
    These are some of the reasons I've been banished (self-imposed) to under-powered car land.
  • Newcar31 - Are you talking about Dunlop's SP 5000s? What's wrong with them? I put them on my 3.5RL last December because they were cheaper to replace then the OEM tires (Michelin MXV4s). How long should I expect them to last? Thanks.
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    Yep, Dunlop SP 5000s. My car has 23,000 miles and the front tires are near the wear bars now and the rears aren't too far behind (yes, I rotate my tires). Although I really like to take corners hard, this tire wear is surprising considering the tires have only been on the car durning summer months. I'd say they will last at least 30,000 miles on your RL because I don't think it's possible to take corners as hard as I do in an RL.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    Ironically, I got into more trouble in my Proteges than in the 1.8T Jetta. I got a ticket in each Protege for speeding, but none yet in the Jetta that I have had for a little more than a year now.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    Do you drive the car hard? I was at 20K miles on my 01 ES when I traded, and the tires looked like new. I drive mostly highway though, if that makes a difference.

    I have 17s now, and am at almost 26K miles. One is looking a little light, but the others look fine.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    So it looks like another recall is going to be in the Focus's future, probably. Should I put on my surprise face???
  • boggseboggse Posts: 1,048
    Mine were worn out at 18,000 miles. Replaced them with Toyo Proxes T1-S. I am very pleased so far.
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    Yeah, I suspect the treadwear rating on the SP 5000s might be a little optimistic. With this kind of wear, you might as well get soft Z rated tires.
  • meinradmeinrad Posts: 820
    Finally got around to it today. Figured it wouldn't hurt to give them a try. I'm really hoping they work as well in the cold as is advertised, since that is my main reason for trying them out.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    My SP Sport A2s now have a little over 12,000 miles on them and show hardly any wear at all. Been rotating them every 5,000 miles (so twice so far). Very pleased.

    Meade
  • dinu01dinu01 Posts: 2,586
    with another recall/investigation, as educated consumers have come to get used to it from the Recall Motor Co.

    It must drive the marketing folks crazy: just a dozen defects and recalls and you'll get as much publicity than from a simple ad campaign. Whi knew?

    Anyways, to get back on topic, I drove my PRO today and it was great, although I get annoyed when other cars must touch their brakes to take a corner for which I usually accelerate for more zoom-zoom.

    Dinu
  • fowler3fowler3 Posts: 1,919
    those drivers also brake for squirrels and birds. :D They tick me off, too. Especially SUV drivers pulling into driveways. You'd think a little bump could be taken in stride in a SUV. Drivers in RWD cars have to brake, where FWD cars pull through the turn without braking.

    fowler3
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I thought about you this morning when I heard something on the radio on my way to work. They said they were thinking about making a movie based on the Rally Monkeys! I thought that was too funny. Forgot to mention it earlier though.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    I had to place an overnight order (400 color copies for work) with Kinko's last night. When I arrived at 6:15 this morning to pick them up, the ONLY other car in the parking area was a 2000 Protege!!! I parked beside it. We looked so cute together.

    (OK, OK. I'm stretching things here. It was a beige DX. I know you drive a white ES. But it sure was fun making the "chat whore" connection.)

    ;-)

    Meade
  • boggseboggse Posts: 1,048
    ...or "push" if you aren't driving a Protege.
  • meinradmeinrad Posts: 820
    All those open parking places and you parked beside it? What a weirdo!
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    "Drivers in RWD cars have to brake, where FWD cars pull through the turn without braking."

    If the Protege was RWD, it would handle even better. You could use power to steer the car. On a FWD, putting power to the ground, steering, and braking are the responsibility of the front wheels. Not the best thing for handling.

    A Rally Monkey movie? I'll bet Jackass is better.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I haven't seen Jackass yet, and really don't plan to. It looks too dumb for words to me.
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    It was pretty funny. First movie to have someone shoot bottle rockets out of their butt in Japan or show somebody roller skating with rockets attached to the skates. They drove a golf cart around a putt-putt golf course and knocked over all the statues, then flipped the golf cart going off a jump. Some guy even read a newspaper and took a crap in a display toilet at a plumbing store. This is classic stuff people......

    Oh yeah, Proteges are nice.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    You know, what you said about the hardware store made me remember when I was shopping for my bathroom model about a year or so ago. I went to the Home Depot, and realized that they didn't have any commodes on the floor. Without me asking, the guy who was helping me said they didn't because "little kids see a toilet and they go in it". It cracked me up when he said it, but I guess it makes sense.
  • dinu01dinu01 Posts: 2,586
    James: They keep telling them their SUVs are made for the outdoorsy type, the adventurer in them, etc. Yet, as you said, most must crawl to a stop when taking a turn. Seems to me there's a conflict in this somewhere as true adventurers/etc would take a chance and hit the gas in a turn and see if it really flips :)

    PRO-related stuff: No pinging so far since last winter, even though we have cold weather and it has snowed (a little). I used to keep the car in a heated garage last winter, but now it stays outside. Guess it likes fresh air better.

    Dinu
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    Take a large, juicy bite out of me.

    Meade
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