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Mazda Protegé

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  • meinradmeinrad Posts: 820
    Dropped off the P5 for it's 30k mile service today, with eggsactly 30,041 miles on the odo.

    My rental is a 2004 Kia Riobunchocrap Sedan. Last time they gave me an Echo which I really liked. This car has 6k miles and feels like 50k. My front right tire is about bald.

    Here is an excert of my conversation with the write up dude. It's a VW/Mazda dealership.

    Dude: How is the Protege doing so far.

    Me: Great, nothing to really complain about.

    Dude: I've been here 6 months and it seems these Mazda's are really well made, VW, well, I wouldn't let a friend buy one.

    Me: 'laugh', yeah, that's been my experience.

    There were a few looks from the two other people waiting to be written up. One had a new beatle in for it's first oil change, and the other was dropping off a Jetta. Not sure what the Jetta was in for as my rental car arrived before I got to hear any more.
  • the_big_hthe_big_h Posts: 1,583
    must be a mazda write-up dude

    can you say intra-dealership rivalry?? lol
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,322
    I'm sure that made the VW owners happy, hearing it from the service dude. It pays to do research before buying. ;)

    New struts and boots are in. They new boots are weird. First off, they're white in color. They also don't cover the top of the strut. Supposedly, they clean out the strut on the down-stroke. Whatever. The new struts make a noticeable difference in muting impacts. I was surprised at that. I didn't think my original struts were that worn.

    The Protege I had as a rental was good, but reeked of cigarette smoke. And it had a moonroof, so my head was rubbing against its frame.

    The tech didn't find anything wrong with the brakes. However, it stopped making noises, so I guess disassembling and cleaning it did the trick.

    He did note that I need new tires soon, so he didn't do an alignment (and didn't charge me either). Yeah, I know.... :)

    Their quote for a replacement set of like tires was $108 each! Yikes! I could get them for $67 each (including S&H) and pay about $12-15 each for installation, new valves and road hazard coverage. Definitely a big profit center for them. No wonder they started carrying more tires.
  • meinradmeinrad Posts: 820
    "He did note that I need new tires soon"

    Is that the line of the day? I got a call and they said my tires would need replaced soon. Did I want them to do it now for $138 per tire!

    I said they only had 10k miles on them and looked fine when I brought the car in. He just said fine, and told me he'd see me later when I picked up the car.
  • civiletticiviletti Posts: 86
    mazdafun,

    how many miles were on the struts you had replaced?
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,322
    I usually replace them (along with springs) at about 90000 miles unless they're showing signs of being worn out (too bouncy, or "cupping" on tire tread), just because I figure they're due.

    Of course, I've only done this once, with my '89 323. I'll probably hold-off on this for my '99 Pro until the 120k mile service.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    oooh, that's really bad, Bob, really, REALLY bad ...

    :D
  • icedog97icedog97 Posts: 141
    I have a 1998 Camry LE with 78K miles that I don't owe anything on...it's in need of some service, new tires and some paint work...depending on the paint work I choose to have, I expect it will cost me 1.5-2K to get the Camry in top shape...without paint work, probably $700-800

    I was thinking of trading it in on a 2002 Protege ES (Dark Green) with 50K miles. It has a spoiler, moonroof/sunroof and side air bags...along with the all other things you get in an ES. The deal I have worked out currently puts me at about 3.5K plus tax and tag...which I would pay cash for.

    OR, I could get a 2000 Nissan Altima SE, with the same options (car is black) with 63K miles at about the same price.

    What woudld you guys do?
  • lawman1967lawman1967 Posts: 314
    sounds like a great car and the price is great.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Fair warning - the folks here will never tell you to choose anything but the Protege! ;-)

    And of course that is a testament to the loyalty the Protege creates, at least in our TH community, so that's a pretty strong recommendation in and of itself.

    Glad to see you also posted in the Altima discussion. If you want, feel free to create a comparo on our Comparisons board.

    Good luck!
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Posts: 6,257
    Altima, in my opinion, is a nicer, more refined car. My 03 Pro ES is tossable and fun but it's a pretty tinny, cheapo little car with no guts and some very bad design choices. The joke of a window lock button locks ALL the window controls, including the driver's! How about locked doors that won't open when you pull on the handle? Buzzy, loud, fairly inefficient engine at freeway speeds (80+ mph) gets me 27 mpg.

    I'm mulling over either adding 17s, a better suspension and a turbo kit to my daily driver Pro or a tax deductible spa. Decisions, decisions...
  • chikoochikoo Posts: 3,008
    are a Mazda design philosphy. All its vehicles have the same feature set.
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Posts: 6,257
    Doesn't excuse it for being totally ridiculous. If my doors are locked I have to press the unlock button before opening the door?!

    And the window lock thing?

    My auto-down but not auto-up window is annoying too. This 5 cent widget can't be used to auto-up and down ALL windows in my car? I understand some cost cutting but come on...
  • chikoochikoo Posts: 3,008
    I have TWO of them
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    Waxed the Protege today. It really needed it and now it looks sooo much nicer. Tomorrow will participate in Rev It Up. Should be fun.
  • chicagoprochicagopro Posts: 1,009
    Hey, Mopar...have fun!

    Speedypt, Mazdafun and I were there yesterday, along with several hundred other people.

    Hopefully none of them will blab about how I spun off the course on my second run. :D
  • chicagoprochicagopro Posts: 1,009
    I really think it's more of a feature than a bug.

    In the April issue of Consumer Reports (page 13), they talk about pushing to have more car makers include window controls that have to be pulled up, to prevent accidental closure on hands and arms and whatnot. In the article they don't mention auto-up specifically, but I think the same theory applies.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    Mazda got it right. Do you have children blueguy?
    When the doors are locked it makes sense to require the door to be unlocked before pulling the handle will open the door. When the window controls are disabled, I want them all disabled, including the drivers. Not including the auto up for the window follows the philosophy.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,322
    Best to admit it before someone else does it for you. :)

    Unfortunately, I did not witness said spin-out. However, it means Dale pushed the envelop further this year (alright!!!).

    It was a blast. I think the 3 does out-handle the 6. They had 6 hatches on one skill clinic course, 3 hatch on another and 3 sedan on the 3rd. Competition was all in 3 sedans (s trim, I think). I didn't have the patience to wait in line to test-drive the RX-8 though. Those lines were long all day. But I test-drove 6 (wagon doesn't handle as well as the sedan or hatch, but very well for a wagon, and outward visibility is better than in the 3 hatch), 3 and even and MPV to my heart's content.
  • meinradmeinrad Posts: 820
    if Mazda doesn't bring this to Pittsburgh next year I'm selling my P5 and buying a PT Cruiser.
  • the_big_hthe_big_h Posts: 1,583
    and here are some pics I took:

    http://www.msprotege.com/members/ZoomZoomH/nj_meet_04_17_2004/

    enjoy the pics, or ridicule at your own leisure pace, whatever tickles your fancy I guess *shrug*
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    has three Mazda6's for sale at $14,995, '03 models. I don't know which models and engines.

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  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Posts: 6,257
    Mazda got it right. Do you have children blueguy?

    Children have nothing to do with this.

    When the doors are locked it makes sense to require the door to be unlocked before pulling the handle will open the door.

    Somehow this is related to kids? Uh, bull. I grew up riding in cars where this wasn't so. Beyond that, my BMW and my old Jetta's backseats require you to pull the door handle twice. One pull won't unlock the door. Pull a second time, it unlocks. It's become second nature to pull twice as my German cars had autolocking - something Mazda doesn't have. Additionally, the button placed at the back of the door always gets pushed down by my elbow. Put the door button on the door panel or by the handle, but not atop the door!

    When the window controls are disabled, I want them all disabled, including the drivers.

    Why? That makes no sense. You don't trust yourself? If I lock the windows, it's because I'm master of the universe, not because I want to become as impotent as the people riding hostage in my car.

    Not including the auto up for the window follows the philosophy

    The cheapness philosophy?

    And complaints about kids getting caught in doors...oh brother. I lived amongst insanely outrageous kids who always sported broken bones and cuts and stitches. Windows were a worry? Come on.

    If people are worried their kids may bolt from the car they have much bigger issues than doors that don't lock...
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    My $26K 03 Toyota has the same feature of auto down w/o an auto up. Would you say this is cheapness philosophy for Toyota also? The Toyota also has the same location and same type of button on the top of the door. Cheapness, not IMO. Better than the auto lock on the Jetta and the button that is on the top of the door that pinches people.
    It only takes one fingertip to unlock the doors and/or windows and you can be master of universe again. Then again, I'm not surprised there are items you complain about on the Protege given your past history of complaining about your Jetta, for me it was my 02 Civic Si that I had issues to complain about. Darn difficult to find a perfect vehicle that fits our personal expectations! The Protege leaves little to complain about for the price I paid for it. Main item I dislike is the tires.
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Posts: 6,257
    It only takes one fingertip to unlock the doors and/or windows and you can be master of universe again.

    I wish that were true. I think of window lock as lock out the rest of the world. As for the door locks, I hate it and wish it weren't so but I have no choice but to put up with that weird quirk.

    Then again, I'm not surprised there are items you complain about on the Protege given your past history of complaining about your Jetta, for me it was my 02 Civic Si that I had issues to complain about. Darn difficult to find a perfect vehicle that fits our personal expectations!

    Nah, I've got one - even if my manual's not perfect in my bimmer I wouldn't trade it for anything.

    The Protege leaves little to complain about for the price I paid for it. Main item I dislike is the tires.

    That's true. I'm beginning to see the 11.4 I paid for my 2003 ES was a screaming deal compared to people buying 2003 DXs for more! It's a fun, tossable little car that still blows away my Jetta in so many ways it's not funny. With 200 HP, stiffer suspension and and 17s (rwd too...lol), this car would be insanely fun. I know I made a mistake not buying the Mazdaspeed in November - 2-3k would have gotten me a car nearly as fun as my BMW for 4/5s the cost.
  • civiletticiviletti Posts: 86
    In 5 years, I have never used the window lock on my '99es. I had even forgotten what is was. Such items are pretty trivial IMO.

    I sure have enjoyed the handling the past 5 years, though: not trivial.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,322
    Auto-up windows have been documented to have killed both young children and pets. If this feature is present in new cars, it usually is accompanied with an auto-reverse feature (like garage door-closers) in case the window meets an obstacle. The window will still likely cause injury (depending on the system), but greatly reduces risk of fatality. I guess some folks really like this feature. I personally find its cost/benefit ratio to be too low.

    I find auto-unlock doors to be very dangerous. I've had a few kids riding in back who repeatedly pull on the inside door-lock lever. Luckily, I had them disabled most of the time. My daughter actually opened her door once while we were at a red light (I had figured she was old enough then), after I had re-enabled the rear door.

    I remember a few times from my childhood when either I or one of my brothers had opened our doors while the car was in motion. Heck, even now, I sometimes idly play with the inside door latch when riding in someone else's car and have opened the door unintentionally (I try to fiddle with other stuff now).

    When I lock the doors, I want them to stay locked.

    Now, for locking-out power window controls, I would like for MYSELF to still operate them when I lock others from using them. However, I rarely use this lock-out feature. I find it often ticks-off my passengers. :)

    But I can see how it would be useful for owners of larger dogs who let them roam freely about the car. Depending on the position of the switch, they can stand on them (accidentally or on-purpose) and then fall or jump out the open window. I occasionally hear about some young child doing the same thing. Really, they should be restrained, but I still see many kids jumping around like crazy in moving vehicles.
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