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Mazda Protegé

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  • yooper53yooper53 Posts: 286
    Nothing like a spongy pedal though. That's an easy fix.
    Yooper 53
  • lawman1967lawman1967 Posts: 314
    I love the 2.0 engine. Plenty of torque, nice 4-cylinder growl. Its a bit thirsty, but otherwise makes a very pleasant companion.
  • It was a terrific companion around town. Second only to our 02+ Si's. It was the highway relationship that caused our divorce from the Protege. It just seemed to make more noise than power when going above 70 MPH.

    However, it was a great handler with good looks and a nice looking interior (even though the plastics were hard).
  • bluem6ibluem6i Posts: 77
    Meade, it is time for new tires, out with the Potenza's (or your term Poortenza's) and probably on with the BFG's. Only problem is I don't remember which ones you got (and are you still happy with them?).

    The locals BJ's Club has the BFG Touring T/A VR's in a plus zero 205/55/15 (OEM is 195/55/15) for 83.99 each. Seeing as tires and/or brakes seem to liven up this thread, let's discuss.

    Thanks,
    Joe

    P.S. - ok, I did a search (that was easy) and found that these are the tires you bought. I noticed that BFG no longer makes them, however the discount clubs still carry them. Any idea how long they've be discountinued for?
  • chicagoprochicagopro Posts: 1,009
    Good to see ya!!

    Did you make it to chat tonight? If not, you should join us some time.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    Yeah, they've been discontinued -- for a few months. The tires BFG brought out to "replace" them are the Traction T/A VR4s. They also make them in HR and TR speed ratings. We put a set on my wife's Protege5 back in late June and so far they're great tires. Look them up at tirerack.com if you want some more info. If I was going to keep my car to the point where I'd need new tires for it again, there's no doubt I'd buy these.

    As for the set of Traction T/A VR4s on Tammy's car, we were in a hurry since Tammy had had a blowout of one of her aging Falken Ziexs and I was going out of town for four days. With no time to do the Tirerack order-'n-wait method, we paid a smidge more than going the Tirerack route and got the tires at Sears. It just happened to be one of those "use your Sears Premier Card and save 10% on anything" days, so the tires, which were already on sale ($4 off -- whoopie) for $104, were only $94 each. Total cost installed (and these were 205/50-16s if memory serves) was about $450. They have a very good treadwear rating, they're warranted for 60K miles (but we all know about tire warranties, don't we), but the real eye-opener is the UTQG traction rating of AA.

    BTW, I've found that tires.com (Discount Tire Direct) offers better deals since they don't charge shipping. You can tack at least $5 per tire on top of Tirerack's prices since you have to pay shipping. We ordered Tammy's Falken Ziexs from there and had excellent results -- the tires were sitting on our side porch three days later -- I just wish I could say the Falkens, which lasted only 18K miles despite regular rotations and balancings, gave us as much good service.

    One other thing I've learned: Costco can order just about any tire you want and it will be there in two or three business days. Then they can install it, and if you're a member, you get free tire rotations AND balancing as long as you own the tires. One other thing a lot of people don't seem to know -- even if you didn't buy your tires from Costco, you can still take your car there and have them rotated for free (as long as you're a member). They will charge you $5 per tire to balance them though.

    I bought my current set of BFG Touring T/A VR4s from Costco about 20,000 miles ago, and they're doing pretty well. They probably have about half of their tread left on them, and I have them rotated and rebalanced every 5,000 miles or so. I'm planning to make them last until next May when I trade the car for a Mazda3 at about 92,000 miles.

    Meade
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    They came in first in Tirerack's comparo between them and the Goodyear Eagle RS-A (er, yuck), Yokohama Avid V4, and the Bridgestone Potenza RE950.

    If you go to Tirerack's website and get to the Traction T/A VR4's page, click on "tests" and read. It was a pretty thorough track test.

    Meade
  • bluem6ibluem6i Posts: 77
    Thanks for all the info Meade, I am going to buy the Touring T/A's (83.99 per - includes everything except taxes) at BJ's vs. the Traction T/A's (90.99 per - plus mounting/balancing/valve stems - does not include hazard warranty) at Sears.

    I checked the tread depth on the "poortenza's" and I'm down to 2/32's on the right side tires and we are definitely in the rainy season in central FL. Also, my 16 y/o daughter get's her license next month, so safety is paramount.

    Joe
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Also be sure to check in with Connor in our Ask Connor at the Tire Rack discussion. He has been a tremendous help to our members in sorting out all the zillions of permutations of tire choices. :)
  • Sounds like your front rotors are warped.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    Zoomster (2000 ES 5-speed) will turn 80,000 miles on the way home from work today.

    Just goes to show ...

    ZOOM ZOOM ZOOM!!!

    Meade
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Wow Meade - that's impressive. :)
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    (Actually Zoomster thanks you!)

    Yep, he's proudly displaying 80,010 on his odo in the deck this morning.

    Where the heck is everyone? Surely they didn't all trade their Proteges on 3s so quickly?

    (No they didn't ... and don't call me Surely!!!)

    Captain Over
  • bluem6ibluem6i Posts: 77
    Meade,
    Thanks for the suggestion and info on the BFG Touring T/A's. I put 4 on last Friday and am very pleased with them so far. We have had nearly 10 inches of rain since i got them and they have performed flawlessly. I am finding the dry traction to be better than the Potenza's as well (although I'm not sure if the "plus zero" size has anything to do with that).

    Joe
  • This forum is quite different now than it was in it's heydey.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    I just had to re-enter a post I had made and checked on later yesterday over on the Problems & Solutions discussion. Now I come here and find the reply I made to anonymousposts yesterday is gone too.

    There was nothing that could be considered a Town Hall Member Agreement VIOLATION in either post.

    What ... IS ... the deal, Pat? Do I get two get-out-of-MA-violations-free cards for this?

    :)

    Meade
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    See the message at the top of the page.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    Well, I plead masculinity. You know, when all else fails, read the instructions.

    :)

    Meade
  • dsodso Posts: 14
    I'm looking for 2002 or 2003 Proteges. I saw a 2002 Protege LX today and was disappointed that its (beige) upholstery had the "fuzzy" feel, like you get in past & present Civics & Corollas. I'd much prefer a flat "woven" feel, like my 1991 Protege DX has or like all the Mazda3's seem to have.

    Do any late-model Proteges have non-fuzzy fabric?
  • Try a Protege ES. It had upgraded cloth interior although it's only available in black IIRC.
  • riopelleriopelle Posts: 132
    Hi Everyone.

    I have a 2002 P5, and I know towing is not recommended per Mazda, but UHaul claims that a hitch can be installed (cost approx $300 with installation) that will allow me to tow a decent load (up to 2000 lbs) I don't need to tow near that, am think 1000 lbs tops, but would appreciate any experiences or advice on this issue. Thanks much.
  • protegenicprotegenic Posts: 199
    I remember it well. Hundreds of posts per day. Record low productivity on my part. Most active forum on Edmunds. Those were the good old days (sigh).

    My little '99 ES only has about 62K on it now as it has been recycled to my son. He absolutely loves it and is jazzed that he can drive a manual when hardly any other new, suburban drivers can. We expect this car to take him well into his college years.
  • What car did you move on to protegenic? A Mazda3?
  • ...is doing great at 81,000 miles. I still love it to death.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    Maybe we should start calling this discussion the "Protege Alumni" discussion. And I don't see why it's gotten so slow ... there are still a lot of 'em out there, no? Including some that are only a year old and have less than 10K on them?

    Meade
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    I would advise VERY strongly against towing ANYTHING with a Protege or Protege5. For one thing, it has unibody construction, meaning there's no frame underneath to handle the torque a trailer will place on your chassis in turns and sways, and when accelerating and decelerating. Have you slid under your car and looked? There isn't much up under there to carry the load -- even the tongue weight alone will put a lot of stress on the chassis. And the car doesn't weigh very much; a mishap with even a 1,000-lb. trailer could cause you to lose complete control of the car.

    I used to own a 1994 Mazda B2300 pickup (aka Ford Ranger), and even though it had a real ladder frame and it weighed quite a bit more than my Protege, it had a lot of difficulty with a pop-up camper that only weighed 1,400 pounds. (And the truck had a little more weight in the rear thanks to a rear axle and differential -- the Protege ain't got much back there to hold it down!) With the truck and trailer, crosswinds and downhill grades gave me some white-knuckled experiences.

    A trailer will definitely try to "steer you around," and I can't imagine trying to tow anything with my Protege after my experiences with a truck.

    You asked!

    Meade
  • meinradmeinrad Posts: 820
    If you, or anyone you know is at all handy, you can install the thing yourself in about 20 minutes. You can buy a hidden hitch for $100 from etrailer.com. I don't know about the wiring though, so I can't give you an idea on that cost. I don't tow with mine though, I just put my bike rack on it.

    I agree with Meade that I wouldn't tow anything with the car, but I've read many other places of people towing all sorts of things with it. Mostly motorcycle trailers and small tool trailers for auto cross. If you check other places, you'll probably find a 50/50 range of people for and against.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    That "hidden hitch" is going to add about 25 to 50 pounds to the very back of your car. Then, most trailers have a tongue weight of 100 to 200 pounds (our popup camper's tongue weight was 160). So stand on your back bumper and see what the trailer will do to your rear suspension just standing still! Then imagine the trailer bouncing and transmitting that force to the rear of your car via the tongue like a see-saw, and exerting equivalent forces on the body of your car as you brake, turn, take curves, etc.

    Whatever you do, make sure you do not exceed the GVWR of the vehicle, which includes the tongue weight and all passengers, cargo, etc. I think if you add it all up, you'll discover that your car really isn't designed to take on a trailer. And keep in mind if your manual says no, you'll void your warranty.

    Hey, I don't mean to be so negative! But I did pull a small (1,500 pounds ain't big) trailer with a larger vehicle that was rated at up to 2,000 pounds, and lemme tell ya, I had some scary moments even with a framed truck that was 500 pounds heavier than the Protege5!

    Meade
  • riopelleriopelle Posts: 132
    Thanks for the advice, it's not what I wanted to hear, but you have effectively squashed towing as an option and I will look to other avenues. Really appreciate your prompt responses to my inquiry.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    Whatcha towing, by the way?

    Meade
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