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Mazda Protegé



  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    it's called "manufacturing tolerance." Unfortunately, one can't possibly dream of a zero tolerance mechanical piece. Let's me say it again: one can of course dream, but it doesn't exist. Also I live in Houston where the temperature is pretty warm.

  • I once heard a sound clip of the death rattle. It was awful and I know that my Pro doesn't do that. However, maybe there are different intensities of the worse in some Pro's than others.

    What I have noticed is that you have to be very careful w/ the throttle when the car is cold, otherwise it's like it almost stalls.
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    I have driven some with it and some without it. It doesn't happen in all of them.
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    the engine is noisier when it's "really" cold (< 40 deg. Far), may be it's just at the border of what's called "rattle".
  • dsm6dsm6 Posts: 813
    Right, it's tolerances, and the better built/stronger/more powerful engines do it, whereas the wimpy "Friday car" engines don't. ;-)
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    If that's the case, what's the difference between those that do and those that don't? Sorry, but I don't buy the manufacturing tolerances idea. This is a programming issue, not a manufacturing issue. If some do and some don't, then Mazda needs to reword their TSB so that it doesn't say "all 2.0L from 2001-2002". Like I said before, if some do and some don't, then it can and SHOULD be fixed.
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    wish I could tell you though. Somewhere, somebody probably knows but it could be a $/effectiveness equation that keeps it from being known.
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    "This is a programming issue, not a manufacturing issue."

    Could it be one is the cause, the other is the cure? But again, all that are suppositions.
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    The fact that some engines do this and others don't is very troubling and proves that it is not a "normal operating characteristic". Mazda's own TSB contradicts itself. First it says "ALL 2.0L between 2001-2002 are affected". Then it goes on to say:
    "Customer *may* experience an engine rattle"

    Well, if all of the engines are affected, then the "Customer *WILL* experience an engine rattle". It's really simple logic. I'm affraid Maltb answered my question already though and it's not the answer I wanted to hear...
  • This thread brings back found memories of years past defending the " zoom factor " of our 1.8 as the 01 model year arrived. I'll take my 00 ES 1.8 over the 2.0 any day.

  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I have been car shopping the past couple of days. No, not because I am tired of my car, but because one of my best friends wrecked his car on Saturday night, and it's totalled. I saw a 2001 Pro DX with only 20.5K on it for $8900. He said his budget is $10K OTD, so I am going to talk to him about this one. Other cars in the running: a new Kia Rio, 99 Saturn SL1 (17.5K, $6990), and an 01 Elantra GLS (21.5K, $7999). He will decide in a week's time what to drive...
  • Either the Protege or the Elantra...
  • dinu01dinu01 Posts: 2,586
    I wish I had the 1.8 too, but I'm stuck with the 2.0 and the pinging of course on cool days. And now this pinging will get worse as the temp will dip in the next weeks. God I hate that noise. I'll take to to Mazda just so they know it occurs, you know, just in case.

  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,322
    I think they did poorly in the NHSTA or IIHS crash tests.
  • meinradmeinrad Posts: 820
    "Well, if all of the engines are affected, then the "Customer *WILL* experience an engine rattle". It's really simple logic."

    Well, not really. Using the word affected does not mean it has the rattle. It means it has the possiblity of the rattle due to a design flaw. After that flaw, manufacturing tolerances, climate, driver, all play into whether you have a serious rattle or no rattle at all. But do to the engines design flaw, ALL are affected.
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    How does your 2.0L ping? I though the 2.0L's have a knock sensor. I thought it was the older models without knock sensors that pinged?

    Meinrad--Well, that's your interpretation.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    My friend wrecked a 1997 Sentra with 121K miles on it that he got used with 14K on it about 4 years ago. He was recently complaining what a POS the car was, because the doors unlocked themselves, the battery and starter went, the CEL never went out, the low fuel light broke and stranded us once, and other stuff. He said last night he liked the car, it never had any problems, and he wanted another one just like it.

    People just amaze me sometimes...
  • Did I just hear the pot calling the kettle black???
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    I think you are to naive to believe that company is telling to the costumers the whole true as if they are in the house. On the other hand - not going to defend Mazda - but I don't see any contradiction in the TSB as meinrad has pointed it out. The rattle is the minor comfort issue, and it doesn't affect the performance of reliability of the engine. I think this fact is right. Now if you are not happy that Mazda will not fix it because it's economically not worth it, it's perfectly legitime for you as costumer, I share also the frustration. Just I don't get your point trying to tell that those of us who do not hear the rattle are insensitive, or the TSB is wrong, or etc...

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