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Mazda Protegé

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  • fowler3fowler3 Posts: 1,919
    Welcome to the club! Glad you are enjoying your new ES.

    ashutoshsm: Wait for the new Acura Integra RSX. It has Protegé’s hood and grille styling and comes in the MP3 blue. Only problem is it’s a coupe.

    Check out http://www.newcardesign.com for Auto Show New York pics.

    fowler3
  • protegenicprotegenic Posts: 199
    You should look into an A4 1.8T. It might not be the fastest car, but for 24-25K, you get a whole bunch of safety and a really good driving car. I had one before the Protege and have to say it had far and away the best brakes of any car I have driven. You can probably get a good buy on one since they are changing the car for 2002, or go the used route. The same logic would apply. Either way, you will spend far less than a BMW.

    Good luck!
  • ashutoshsmashutoshsm Posts: 1,007
    ... would the regulars on a board be helpful and nice enough to recommend other good cars to a member!

    Thanks for the suggestions, all. I have be thinking about the Audi/WV (Jetta or Passat), Subaru Impreza (RX powerful but too bare bones inside), and used BMW. mm, 2002 models for many cars (including the Mitsu Lancer and the Pro ES) will be out soon, before I'm ready to buy, so I may add to this list soon)

    But it'll be a while before I let go my trusty 95 Pro DX! Gave it a wash yesterday, and as a result of the wax I gave it after the previous wash a couple of weeks ago, its looking amazing! The white color really ages well - I'm surprised I don't see more people buying white these days :-)

    -ashu
  • protegenicprotegenic Posts: 199
    You know how you see some movies and you want to mimick them when you walk out of the theatre (like Rocky when I was a kid)? Well, you have to go check out BMWfilms.com. They have some great short movies with some outrageous driving scenes. I recommend the one called "Star". It will really get you revved up for the drive home. I don't think my tach saw under 4K on the drive to lunch!

    I'm scheduled for the BMW Performance driving school in early July. I guess I'll have to watch these again before I go so I'll get the most out of the experience!
  • ashutoshsmashutoshsm Posts: 1,007
    I saw these a few days ago too - love them all!

    Star has the best driving stunts, but the Ang Lee directed one has the best story (if a 6 minute movie can have a story!) and ending! Pretty self-effacing role for Madonna. And Guy Ritchie seems to be an ok director!

    A must-watch for all car buffs! The have all formats (RealVideo, QT MOV, and Windows Media Destroyer) at different resolutions/connection speeds.

    Although the Pro ES is possibly the only sub-20K car in which you can (to a small extent) mimic the performance of the 330i's, M3's and 530i's used in these films - drive safely!

    -ashu
  • protegextwoprotegextwo Posts: 1,265
    What is your price range and size needs? My 2 cents, a leftover 2001 Volkswagen Passat GLS V6 should sell in 6 months, with some room to discount, as the 2002's are a re-designed product. The Passat is based on the Audi A6 and quite a few bucks cheaper! My old boss has an 1999 Passat, we traveled too several meetings in it and I must say it was an awesome.

    Respectfully,
    Larry
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I love the Passats, but not the restyled ones that are "2001 1/2" models. I think they are so ugly. I like the 1999-2000 design. And the cars are so comfortable. I am going to upgrade to a mid-size V6 sedan next time around, in about 4-5 years. Of course, there will probably be alot more of them on the market by then. :)
  • protegextwoprotegextwo Posts: 1,265
    The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety just released their ratings on full size pickups. The Ford F-150 failed! Lets just say, quality is NOT job #1 at Ford Motor Company. The air bags deployed too late, and the passenger compartment collapsed, leaving little survival space for the driver. The best performer? The Toyota Tundra received the IIHS highest rating. Umm, the Japanese even design safer trucks than the big three.

    See ya later, I'm jumping in the Protege, opening all the windows/moon roof and hitting the road. It's 88 degrees at 2:30 pm and I'm going to the swimming pool. Too dang hot in Lancaster today.

    -Larry
  • protegextwoprotegextwo Posts: 1,265
    The V-Dub Passat would make me very very happy, sitting in my drive way. Just a little too pricey for me right now. But I sure love that German panache! The 2001 Audi A-6, or 2000 BMW 740i, yea baby!!!

    If I was to move up to a V-6 mid-size car TODAY, I would purchase a 2001 Honda Accord LX V-6. the handling is fairly firm and sporty, however the real selling point for me, is the combo of price to value. GREAT re-sale, GREAT reliability, GOOD safety scores, priced in the $22,000+ range = VALUE to me.

    Paul and the rest of the gang, which V-6 mid-size would you purchase in the $20,000 to 28,000 range?

    -Larry
  • protegenicprotegenic Posts: 199
    I might disagree there. I remember in the 70's, when gas prices shot up, that small 4-cylinder cars became the norm. There were some pretty forgetable cars to say the least, but I am hoping that we will see more innovations in small engines that improve performance while delivering fuel economy. I like V6's too, but sometimes you have to question if the extra ooomph is worth the extra expense. I guess we'll see. But using Audi as an example, who would have thought you could get 200+ hp out of 1.8 liters and still have a engine that was usable in the real world?
  • protegenicprotegenic Posts: 199
    would probably be the Accord also. I know, there are zillions on the street, but I have to agree with Larry on this one, the total value of that car is just too good. If it were looks or driving alone, I would opt for the Passat.
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    Well Larry, it would have to come with a manual trans. Having been a big VW fan, I'd pick a Jetta or Passat(at the top of your range). Something about the road feel of European cars just has not been matched by the rest of the world. Protege has slowly crept up on these, but remains just a tad short.

    As a comparison, I tried to talk my brother-in-law into a Miata. He came home one day with a 2001 Z3. I gave him a little lashing and then went for a test drive. With the V-6 and the improvements from the early models, that car was too sweet for words. Of course, the key thing is that he had the cash to make that choice.

    :)
  • protegextwoprotegextwo Posts: 1,265
    I'm gonna go to the pool NOW, all this talk of buying new cars really has me heated up! LOL!!! I got to teach my 5 year old how to swim this summer. The 2016 Olympics are right around the corner, hehe. God bless my very good friends at Mazda Town Hall.

    Zoom Zoom Zoom,
    Larry
  • protegextwoprotegextwo Posts: 1,265
    My wife would probably never allow me to purchase a "hand shaker" tranny!!! However, after 17 years of marriage to me, she deserves certain accomdations, hehe. ;-)

    Soooo, if you were to purchase an auto V-6 mid-size family sedan, in the $20,000 to $28,000 range what would you need to test drive?

    Respectfully,
    Larry
  • with 20-28k budget

    for value -> 01 honda accord lx
    for style -> 01 lexus is300 base (27.5 TMV) :)
    for fun -> 01 vw jetta glx vr6 w/ sport suspension, 17 inch wheels

    -M
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,327
    I'd have to include these two, although the Maxima can become quite pricey.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I would have to go for the Saturn L-300 actually. I know, surprise! An American car. :) I rented a Saturn L-200 when my beloved Protege was in the shop from its hit-and-run. :( I liked the car alot, but its handling was kinda boring. I read that the L-300 has sport suspension, so that might liven it up a little bit. Saturns also hold their value well, and their dent-resistant body panels help keep the car looking good, especially in a neighborhood like mine. :(
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    It really depends on the driver. If it were my wife...never mind, she's a driver also. If it were Joe Blow's wife, the Accord with it's track record would be a great car. In our house, we love manual transmissions and bumpy ride just means that the cautionary corner speed can be greatly exceeded. We aren't maniacs and with for kids, we have the obligatory mini-van, but we enjoy the drive on the side.

    My opinion(only my opinion):
    Vanilla: Accord, Camry, 626(can be fun with m/t, but extremely vanilla in looks).
    Better: Maxima, Altima, Galant, Acura TL, S40
    Exciting: Jag X-type, Passat, A4

    Obviosly, I left off a bunch but this is my take and prices vary greatly.

    :)
  • rnd2rnd2 Posts: 31
    i looked at the acord v-6 but the handeling was soft the car wanted to roll in the corners the power was good on the take off but if you are going 30 mph and you need to pass forget it ! i have a 98 honda civic coupe with auto trany this car handles great and the power is great from take off to top speed, i even pull a dirt bike trailer with 2 bikes on it ! i think honda went too far with high mpg.they gave up power new hondas are slow
  • glideslopeglideslope Posts: 37
    Did a little zooming with a 00 Miata today on the way to work . I was able to read the plate numbers for the duration of the event. I think it was a 5-speed . The dry pavement grip on my RE92's seems like racing slicks now that they are 75% gone at 12,000 miles. I thought I might break a suspension component today due to their tenaceous grip. However, they are very noisy now. Dangerous on wet stuff.

    Quite a little car this 00 ES of mine. Thanks Mazda. The wife wants to look at MPV's to replace the Quest. This could be the beginning of something?

    Mark.
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    I like the looks of the Accord the best, but I would have to go with the Camry V6 simply because they offer a manual transmission with the V6 and Honda does not. The 626 is underpowered in this class. The VWs (passat & jetta) are the best looking cars but they seem to have too much of a quality problem, and I am not the kind of guy who takes a risk with something that costs so much money--like a car. I would get a Maxima if it wasn't so dang ugly IMO. If I needed a midsize car, and a V6, it would have to be the Camry with a manual transmission. It may look vanilla, but with the V6 and the 5sp, it would be a scorcher and a sleeper at the same time. An added bonus is the fact that the V6 is sewing machine smooth, and Toyota's reputation for reliability is unmatched. Also, remember that Toyota now has a performance division, and there are performance suspension upgrades available, not to mention a supercharger for that V6 to make it REALLY scream. Good luck!
  • djmax813djmax813 Posts: 30
    Any suggestions as to when to turn the o/d off. I generally do short hops and a little highway driving so i leave it on. Is there a performance difference at lower speeds? Just wanted to know.
  • the_big_hthe_big_h Posts: 1,583
    well, turning O/D off will make your car rev higher at highway speed and reduce your mpg. I don't really notice any major difference during city street driving, since you don't rev that high when going 20-30 mph anyway.

    I turn off O/D when going up hills so it stays in 3rd and not jump back and forth between 3rd & 4th. I also turn off O/D momentarily on highways to force a downshift for passing purposes, but most of the time I just leave it on.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    Come to think of it, I did see a TRD Camry a couple months back at a Toyota dealership. The sticker on it was like $27,000, but it was a sharp car. It had specific exterior trim, wheels, and susspension, but not the supercharger. I rented a Camry a while back, and it was a pretty nice car. Low power with the 4-cylinder, and the V-6 requires premium gas (I think). Also, the driver's seat needs about 1/2 inch more rearward travel so I can be comfortable. Otherwise, it was a very nice, refined car.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,327
    The Ford Taurus and Chevy Impala are decent family cars too. Slightly cheaper than the imports, reliability roughly on par with VW, but not nearly the level of refinement of Honda and Toyota. The Taurus with the moonroof also has a readily-accessible manual override (anticipating problems?). They're both roomy and drive fine for family cars, but neither is what I consider a sporty ride. Looks are mainstream. Not stylish, but not outlandish (unlike the previous Taurus, which was too streamlined...to the point where it almost became a 2+2 seater).

    The Mitsubishi Galant falls into this class, but is a bit smaller than most. The company has some workplace issues though.
  • panamaltd2panamaltd2 Posts: 162
    When it is time to turn in my Pro.(1 year) I will be looking for another car. I was thinking of getting the next gen. A4 but then I heard all of this exciting news about the next Pro. and it kinda got me wondering what it was going to be like! If anyone knows were I can find some info. on the next Pro. it would be greatly appreciated. I had also thought of a VW Passat but those new ones are dang ugly! So, my question is, should I stick with Pro. or get an A4? I can't decide, too many decisions!

    -Sam
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    "The Mitsubishi Galant falls into this class, but is a bit smaller than most. The company has some workplace issues though."

    And what companies don't have workplace issues?

    :)
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    There were a bunch of quality issues with the Impalas and their engine cradles when the cars first debuted. My neighbor has a base-model Impala and likes it alot. I just hate how it looks like an older person's car though. Give me the LS model decked out with the spoiler and wheels, please. :) And the Taurus, they are just boring to look at. They are roomy inside though, and I love the adjustable pedals too. But my mother (who helped build race cars back in the 60s) always taught me that Ford stands for "Found on Road Dead". She always said she would rather have pushed a Chevy than drive a Ford. :)
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    I would get a Pontiac Grand Prix or an Olds Intrigue if I were to go domestic. I don't really care for GM, but those would be the cars I would look at domestic wise. The Grand Prixs with the superchargers are REALLY fast, I was able to drive one about a year ago, it definately has V8-like punch. The Olds Intrigue is the best looking of the bunch IMO and they are being heavily discounted right now, but they have an Intrigue-only engine that is not shared with any other GM vehicle made. (the DOHC 3.5L "shortstar" a mini cadillac northstar)
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    The discounts on the Intrigues are sweet right now. Believe it or not, I almost picked one of them up back when I got the 2001 ES. It would have been like $4000 or so more, and it would have been a near-luxury car. What stopped me were the low crash test scores and the low reliability rating the car has been carrying for the last couple years. Also, the future demise of Oldsmobile means the resale values are going to be at the bottom of the barrel. I sat in one Grand Prix too, but did not like the way the seats felt. I never considered one, but just happen to sit in one for the heck of it. I hate the open headrests they have, and their lumbar support sucks too. Also, the 2 previous Pontiacs my family owned (both Bonnevilles, 1994 & 93) were not the most reliable vehicles either.
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