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Jaguar XJ-Series

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  • rvevearvevea Posts: 11
    Hey... You have the same problems I have! I have to proof read everything. It would be easy for me to think I saw a "u" in between the b_rg. Also like the Rad Red but dealers claim that TOO is a poor seller. Best on the R or SWB, not the LWB. Had both SWB & LWB. I'ld definitely go LWB. Handling/performance difference negligable, price is right, classier look, easier resale, etc.. If handling is genuinely important then go the R and suffer the stiffer ride. But being fair & honest with ones self the extra guts are not needed very often & it really is mostly an ego builder. Fun playing with the kids in what they think are hot cars. If a lot more people realized how really fine the Jag IS... resale would skyrocket. That's the genuine Jag, XJ series, not the S and definitely not the X. But that's just MO. JAG RULES!
  • jb7227jb7227 Posts: 86
    As the very happy owner of an 04 XJ, I am surprised to hear the number of posts talking about the "much improved" or "more reliable" '05s. I have 17K miles on my Slate Gray (dark gray) XJ, and have not had a single problem with the car. As far as the power relative to the supercharged XJR - if one drives the XJ sedan and presses the gas down to the floor - you better be prepared for the results. I was astonished at how powerful the 294 hp V8 felt. Of course, these XJ's are about 200 lbs lighter than their predecessors due to the alum body. Resale wise - no Jags have ever been great in that area - if I put mine on the market now, I would ask around 37K - but I paid $52K new. Sticker was $64K. I have checked around on the wholesale on the car - its about 31-33K.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    If a lot more people realized how really fine the Jag IS... resale would skyrocket. That's the genuine Jag, XJ series, not the S and definitely not the X. But that's just MO. JAG RULES!

    The XJ is Jaguar's sedan icon, no doubt, and the Vanden Plas is the XJ icon, IMO. I agree . . . not the S, and definately not the X. The XKR is the sports car Jaguar icon. Two models . . . the XJ and the XK. That's really what Jaguar is now about.

    The '04 is a fine car, and is essentially the same as the '05 and '06. The "new generation" is the XJ winner and there are improvements to be expected between the '04 and '05, but there are plenty of great '04's out there. But, to look at the situation from a purist standpoint, the '05 represents one of the best values, not only for a Jaguar, but for ANY luxury car on the market, provided that it is purchased at a good price . . . which is still easy enough to do! But, watch out! History is going to change this window of terrific value availability as Jaguar changes their price structure in the near future. Get one now, if you are seriously thinking about it. It will never be this good again. Never.

    TagMan
  • rvevearvevea Posts: 11
    You'll be happy to know... the wholesale value is really $35K on an '04 XJ8, with an average of 22K miles. That is what dealers nationwide are actually paying. Then, in nearly every case, they still spend from $200 to $1000 in recon... and if they certify it and include an extended warranty, that is an additional cost. Your car, with less miles, even without an extended warranty, should bring a minimum of $39K.
    re post referring to XK series... my apologies. I just wasn't thinking about the coupes or ragtops. They, of course, are as true a Jag as the XJ series. Glad you also recognize the difference in the S and X series, as they are more accurately re-badged Fords with only a small part that can be actually attributed to Jaguar. They're still good looking... and make it easier for more to claim the bragging rights of owning a Jag... but they definitely won't earn a parking place in a true Jag connoisseur's barn. I also agree that the XJ's & XK's are a good value, both new & ESPECIALLY used!
  • fennfenn Posts: 197
    I am sure that many folks are happy and content with the '04 XJ's. Nonetheless, buying the first year of production on an all-new car does involve some issues that later cars do not have.

    I admittedly had a lemon, so my experience may be an anomaly, but the service manager and G.M. at my dealership have confirmed with their experience, that the '05's are seemingly more free from bugs and glitches. This is just the evolution of the model...it happens with all cars during the first few years of production.

    However, my XJR was a relatively early production '04 and there were plenty of flaws and factory bulletins for tweaks in these early cars. Most earlier '04's needed tranny flush and recalibration, and other tweaks. Some of us are more finicky about fit and finish than others, but I saw numerous fit and finish issues on '04's that are no longer a problem on later versions. Some people just do not notice things than might bug other drivers. For example the leather trim that wraps into the ashtray area on many early '04's was not cut neatly and/or shrunk away. The chrome trim on the tail-lights was also and problem on many '04s. Likewise the upper trunk liner came loose on my car three times....and the same thing happened on a relative's 04 XJ. These are little things, but they are no longer a problem in the later cars.

    If the price differential between an low mileage '04 and a low mileage '04 is not too significant, it makes much more sense to go with an '05. If you find a killer deal on an '04 that looks good and feels right, then go for it.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    fenn - thanks for the extra insight. It once again highlights the conclusion that a decent '04 can be OK, but the '05 is the really the one to get . . . based on the inherent improvements of the '05, the included maintenance program (if purchased new), and the potential terrific price at this point in history.

    A well-priced '05 XJR or '05 XJ Vanden Plas is a terrific car purchase . . . truly an unbelievable amount of car for the money.

    TagMan
  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Posts: 1,150
    If I could buy in a new '05 XJL in my choice of color with no options except the winte package for 50K , how would that be? While at first glance this sounds like a great deal (MSRP is 66K or so), would I be better off just buying a used '05 ,which is what this one will be when I drive it home, for 44-45K or so (if I could find one)?

    Incidentally, thanks to Tagman et al I think I now more about late model XJs than most of the sales guys I have talked to. The last two weeks of posts have been very helpful.
  • rvevearvevea Posts: 11
    Don't take this the wrong way. I'm not a salesman for them. Have never been there or bought from them, but... check out TexasCarsDirect site for late model Jags. Maybe you are already aware of them or it may be too far away. If not, it might be worth a look and a phone call. There probably is more than one dealer in the states that handle similar large Jag inventories but I haven't heard of them. If anyone knows of others, how about a heads-up. I intend to add a second XJ to my garage. An R or L. If I can't find one close to home I would go the 1000 or so miles for the greater selection.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Incidentally, thanks to Tagman et al I think I now more about late model XJs than most of the sales guys I have talked to.

    You are welcome.

    Have you ever seen cars.com? It MIGHT offer you some price perspectives. You can extend the search distance and parameters to whatever you like, and it could give you some extra insight . . . maybe. If not, then there is no loss. Whatever you do, if you reach into risky waters, be careful of sharks. Safety can be worth a little extra $$, if you know what I mean. Peace of mind is valuable, IMO.

    Good Luck,

    TagMan
  • reid11reid11 Posts: 2
    For 35 years I discouraged my wife from buying her dream car. A Jaguar. I relented and we bought a used XJR. Wow what a great car-until the transmission went out at 55k miles. Fortunatley we still had a few days left on the orig. Jaguar warranty. Jaguar installed a rebuilt trans at no charge to us except the ded. We thought it would be wise to purchase an extended warranty from another company but through the dealer. $3900.00 for the Gold level. 15 months and 10,400 later the second trans went out leaving my with stranded in heavy traffic. The warraty co. claims the are not required to replace it with another rebuilt but a like kind and quality one which would be ok if it had 10,400mi or less, however they claim they did not insure the transmission that was in the car when we bought the policy but the the car with 55k miles. Jaguars warranty expired after 12 months and they are not willing to participate in any way for another rebuilt. Needless to say we are very disappointed with the whole thing and will not buy another Jag. Any simalar problems or solutions? Thanks
  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Posts: 1,150
    Just out of curiosity, how much would it cost for a professionally rebuilt transmission with a warranty? Does Jag have any factory reman exchange units? Does ZF in Chicago?
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    What was the model year? How many miles were already on it when you bought it used? Was it a private sale or from the dealer?
  • euphoniumeuphonium Great Northwest, West of the Cascades.Posts: 3,321
    You have an insurance claims problem. If the replaced transmission was not specifically EXcluded from the Gold, $3900 policy, it IS covered. However, the fine print may generally expound on "subsequent REBUILT parts", which would be placing the insurance company in the position of offering a used rebuilt guarantee for another manufacturer.
    IF the exclusion is not in the contract, there is coverage. There is always the state insurance commission to consult. Good Luck.
  • reid11reid11 Posts: 2
    Its a 1999. Had 45k when I bought it, 55k when the first trans went out and now at 65k the second trans is out. I purchased it from a dealer where it has been for about 3 weeks. Still unresolved.

    Thanks for responding so quickly.
  • muttstermuttster Posts: 2
    I am going to be in the market to buy a used car near the $20,000 range. I thought about a used Acura but I realy like the looks and styling of a Jaguar. Looking around I found a certified 2003 x-type with 43,000 miles for 19,9, a certified 2002 x-type with 23000 for the same money and a non cerified 2001 XJ8 for 19, 900 as well with 43,000 miles.

    my conmcern is the cost of maintence, We have many dealers and independent mechinics where I live. Are the parts quite a bit more expensive that parts for a Acura or a Maxium? Are there anythings that I should look for or problems areas that I should know about? What do you think?
  • rvevearvevea Posts: 11
    Assuming you mean Maxima (Maxium?); the maintenance/repair costs will generally be less than either the Acura or Jag. Mostly because dealers for each brand don't see the owner/buyer in the same light. Parts would likely run slightly more (than for the Nissan) but not an appreciable amount. Reliability is comparable on later models as you are mentioning, but(regrettably) the X-type doesn't seem to be quite as trouble free as the other two. Remember... the X-type is basically a Ford. The XJ series, on the other hand, IS Jaguar and reliability has greatly improved over the last several years, and is right up there with the BEST. I own an '01 XJ8 with about 35K miles and it's been a GREAT car all around. Even the gas mileage is fine. On a 3500 mile trip, driving @ 80+ mph whenever possible (averaged 63 mph including going thru towns, construction, etc) I averaged 26.4 mpg going & 25.6 returning. Around town, with LOTS of really short jaunts, I still average about 17.5 mpg! (That's not much less than what other so called economy cars get, and I enjoy a better ride, quiet, and much much more.) $19,900 is a real decent buy. I would NOT sell mine for anything close to that, and I am a retired dealer so could replace it at a TRUE wholesale price. (Not book value prices- they are only a guide and a very poor one.) You are comparing apples to oranges with these three vehicles. The XJ is not in the same league at all, but if maintenance/repair costs are the deciding factor then go with the Maxima. All three, if taken care of properly and not abused or neglected should serve you well, but of course you have now way of knowing their full history. In EVERY case be sure that the cars are what they appear to be. Spend the time & $$ to have a GOOD independent mechanic check it out. (Maybe even a body shop also?)
    In regard to previous post about the XJR trans failure.. The R series, being supercharged for performance, is much more likely to be abused so, understandably, is more likely to be prone to drive train failure AND also more likely to have had body repairs than the normally aspirated cars. But, also... many people that buy NEW lower cost vehicles don't seem to maintain them as well. Pride of ownership aspect maybe? So no matter what, it is buyer beware. If it were my choice, and not so worried about POSSIBLE repairs, it would definitely be another XJ8!
    I'm basically VERY conservative... but in this case the pride of ownership with the XJ trumps everything else, IMO!
  • blov8rblov8r Posts: 567
    In regard to previous post about the XJR trans failure.. The R series, being supercharged for performance, is much more likely to be abused so, understandably, is more likely to be prone to drive train failure

    I don't buy that as an acceptable excuse. Build a car with extra power, couple it with serious drivetrain parts that can take it. My guess is the drivetrain CAN take the abuse ... but from time to time mechanical stuff fails. And it's very possible, particularly in the instance just cited, that something else in the car is putting inordinate stress on the tranny and causing the failures. I'm not a mechanic ... never was, never will be. I just like to think logically. Bart (I'm still craving a Jag but can't pull the trigger on buying one because of past history. Nonetheless, I'm hearing more and more GOOD things about them now and may bite the bullet when my Infiniti lease is done. I had an XK120 fixed head coupe when I was in college ... beautiful but a piece of mechanical garbage.) :) :shades:
  • foster1foster1 Posts: 17
    I have a 1995 XJR. After charging the dead battery, the car ran fine. Then I parked it in my garage and now it won't start. The engine turns over but won't catch even briefly. I thought maybe the battery voltage was low and charged the battery again, but same result. Any ideas about what could be wrong? This is the first time the car won't work. Thanks, Foster
  • paulieppauliep Posts: 19
    If a lot more people realized how really fine the Jag IS... resale would skyrocket. That's the genuine Jag, XJ series, not the S and definitely not the X. But that's just MO. JAG RULES!

    The XJ is Jaguar's sedan icon, no doubt, and the Vanden Plas is the XJ icon, IMO. I agree . . . not the S, and definately not the X. The XKR is the sports car Jaguar icon. Two models . . . the XJ and the XK. That's really what Jaguar is now about.


    I copied two comments in italics, but I am curious about this issue. Never mind the X - it is a Ford platform. But why the criticism of the S? It looks like an older Jag, very nice retro style, and performs pretty well. I prefer the performance of the R version, which I have, to just about anything out there.

    Secondly, I am interested in the 05 XJ series. The dealers who have leftover new 05s are getting a lot of support to sell them, I hear. Any solid info on how much?
  • foster1foster1 Posts: 17
    I think the issue with the S-Type is that its platform was developed jointly for the Lincoln LS and late Ford T-Bird. But Jag had more involvement with it than the X-Type, which is simply a European Ford Mondeo platform with rear wheel drive added to the Mondeo's front wheel drive. BTW, a curious comment on platform sharing is now happening at GM. Their SAAB ads extoll the virtue of SAAB's aircraft engineering. However, GM's first action after acquiring SAAB was to lay off all of SAAB's engineering staff (totaling 300 people). So I guess that important fighter aircraft experience wasn't worth keeping, except in the advertisements.
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