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  • Welcome to the "world of the Jaguar cats" !

    The driving experience of the Jaguar cannot be matched by another.
    I many ways, we Jag enthusiasts have "love affairs" with our motorcars and a loyalty that few marquees can claim.

    Looking forward to hearing from you often.
    Christchurch
  • im_brentwoodim_brentwood Posts: 4,883
    Ummm...

    What do you mean "other marques"??

    Other companies make cars???

    :)))))

    Bill
  • How right you are !
    Of course, we cannot compare a "Jag cat" to anything else, for Jags are, perhaps, the last of the "classic" motorcars. They have personality,
    uniqueness and have the smell, feel, sound and verve that is distinctive of Jag and Jag alone.

    To compare a Jag with a Benz or BMW just can't be done for they seem bred with such different driving characteristics Similar but oh,so different.

    "There is nothing like a Jag"!
    "Nothing in the world"!

    Here is hoping that she never looses her "virginity" !

    christchurch
  • By the way, what flag are you flying?
    Although I recognize most,please do not be offended by my ignorance on this one.
    Just curious.
    christchurch
  • jwilson1jwilson1 Posts: 956
    Thank you, christchurch, for the acknowledgement!

    I'm hoping to leave here with a new XJ. Is there any truth to my hope that, as a further token of your good wishes upon my arrival, someone will provide me with one?

    Actually, my first car was a Jaguar, an XK140. Now, don't get all excited ... my father bought it for me when I was 14 years old and I could talk of nothing else but cars, and especially sports cars. The key was -- it didn't run. He told me that if I could get it moving I could have it. I struggled mightily of course, but the closest I came to motion was when I would have one of my friends help me push it from one side of the back yard to the other. I picture my father looking carefully from the side of one window or another and laughing uproariously.

    But the taste was fatal, and I've been in love ever since.

    What's your first memory of Jaguar?

    Take care.
    Joe W.
  • rea98drea98d Posts: 982
    Hold your cursor over it and a little banner pops up with the flag name.
    BTW, I thought Armenia was red with a black raven. When did they get a new flag?
  • im_brentwoodim_brentwood Posts: 4,883
    I'm part Armenian so I selected it :)

    And... I think I hear voices of dissention out there.. Could it be that those whodesire toown a Jag are not driving one???

    God, as cheap as 93-94s have gotten... and 95s... there's no excuse!

    Bill
  • Thanks for the advice on putting the cursor over the little flag to discover its origin.
    Here is another plus for admiring Jag cars... you can learn computer "tricks of the trade" !

    Let me suggest, on "a Jag note", that the way to buy a Jag is to buy one of the certified models.
    The deep discount by buying back a couple of years makes the Jag very affordable. Couple that with the "certified warrenty" and you have a really fantastic deal.

    This is one of the "great secrets" because people think that Jags are priced out of sight and out of their buying range.

    My advice to all who would like to part of our Jag family is to make a visit to your Jag dealer.
    If you take your time and are not in a hurry, let them know what you are looking for and what price range you can afford. My expierence is that they are very accommodating and will do their best to find the Jag that is just right.

    A lot of our friends have happily joined our Jag family this way and become along with us Jag enthusiasts !

    christchurch
  • 97vdpguy97vdpguy Posts: 111
    I was looking at replacing my '95 Jeep Grand Cherokee. The new Jeeps were running around $36K.

    For a lark, I decided to meander over to my local Jaguar dealer, since I've been eyeing Jag's for years and always telling myself, "Someday...".

    Well, the new 2001's were nice, but with stickers at and above $70K, they were a little rich for my blood, and the S-Type at $50K fully loaded didn't do anything for me, but I did think the NAV system and talking computer were pretty cool!

    Then I noticed the Pre-owned (Fancy word for "USED") cars on the lot... Suffice it to say that I was completely blown away to discover that they had Jaguars, actual Jaguars, on the lot with sticker prices as low as $15K!

    I was in Pre-Owned Heaven! I test drove about six of them! I finally settled on an immaculate, off-lease '97 Vanden Plas that had had only 28K miles on it. There were a few 98's and 99's as well, but the price difference was over $10K for the '98 and the only difference I could see was the steering-wheel-mounted controls and the V8 engine over the In-Line-6.

    I ended up driving away with an XJ/VDP for $32K!

    I've done some research and thinking since I bought the car. I don't really need to command the Enterprise, so I don't think I really need the voice-activated computer system. And for $2,000 I can get an aftermarket GPS/NAV system installed should I get the urge to bring my kitty into the Space Age.

    Even if I get the GPS installed, I'll have spent LESS than I would have had I replaced the Grand Cherokee!

    Shhhh!!! Don't tell anybody...
  • jwilson1jwilson1 Posts: 956
    places like this provide a comfortable environment for fantasy and vicarious thrills. It is indeed coming up some day but now is not the moment. (I'll try to be real quiet when you're talking about the real cars!)

    Take care.
    Joe W.
  • im_brentwoodim_brentwood Posts: 4,883
    Used is the way to go.

    I bought my 95 Vanden Plas new....

    Never again!

    My dad's 97 XJ6... 48K miles.. immaculate... bought it at the Jaguar Credit auction for just under $24K back in the fall. Granted I'm a dealer and I bought it sorta cheap.. but, hell..

    Hmmm "Do I drive a Jaguar or a new Bonneville?? Hmmm..."

    And I also bought mine own coveted 99 XJR at the auction. 18K miles and perfect. Savedover $20K on that one too.

    A used Jag is as reliable as anything new you can buy... and with market on 98 XJ8s hovering around $30K-33K at this point for an SWB... I know I'd rather have one than an Acura TL or ES300!

    Bill
  • im_brentwoodim_brentwood Posts: 4,883
    Why is it a fantasy?

    Doesnt have to be silly :)

    In a recent Orlando Sentinel:

    "1994 Jaguar XJ6. One Owner, 71K, New Pirellis, Flamenco Red with Tan Leather, Immaculate condition, $10,950 firm, car is in Winter Park..."

    Hmm.... get a loan from peoplefirst.com

    Bingo. $250/mo for 48 months borrowing $10K against it and you're driving a Jaguar for Hyundai money.

    Bill
  • rea98drea98d Posts: 982
    I nominate that for the Quote of the Month Award!
  • jwilson1jwilson1 Posts: 956
    It's not the money, actually, though you folk are very encouraging on that score, too. It's where I live. For the past 32 years I've lived in the snow belt on a dirt road (ruts & all). I'm one of those who actually needs a truck and I've always driven fwd or awd beaters to avoid messing a nice ride up. It would be just plain immoral to make a Jag live up here I think.

    The hope part is that we plan to move within the next couple of years since our last one has graduated from school.

    So, there y'go ... why I'd like to listen in (& maybe ask an occasional question) for awhile.

    Take care.
    Joe W.
  • To all who believe that Jags are unaffordable, please read our last several messages. Granted our dealer friend has a bit of an advantage but I can assure you that if you are "Jag hopeful" then check around you will be surprised.

    As our Jeep Cherokee friend said, he was able to enter true luxury and discover an unbelievable driving expierence.

    For the same money you would put into a lesser car you can "come up" to the Jag expierence. And I mean experience !

    There is really nothing in the auto world quite like these cats!
    Jags are babied, cuddled and taken care of .... handled with kid gloves. They have personalities and "become a member of the family". They are like a "special friend" or more like a "loved one".

    Many of us even "talk to the animal".... "you were great today", "you really purred tonight",
    "rest up and I will see you in the morning", .... I can only imagine what our neighbors think ! ! !

    Bottom line, no one who truly loves automobiles should ever be without one !

    Jags are really the "cats meow" !

    christchurch
  • im_brentwoodim_brentwood Posts: 4,883
    Point taken.

    So go pick up a rusty 88 XJ40 for $1,500 and throw snow tires on it :)

    JK...

    Bill
  • I must say that a $1,500 Jag might be pushing it a bit. I was thinking more along the line of 1996 to date models. They represent the newer engineering and considerable reliability. Of course, this is not to say that I wouldn't want a MK series if I could find a good one.

    I guess the advice is still the same:
    buy as new as you can and secure the certified warranty or another extended warranty if you can find one (I think the jury is still out on this one).

    Mileage could be a consideration, too. Yet, I have heard some terrific stories about "high mileage" Jags still speeding along with little or no major problems.

    But, I will look for the $1,500 deal you elude to.
    along with any land "buys" you have in Florida. ha !

    Seriously, there are great buys on Jags out there.
    Don't pass them by.
    Jaguar ownership and driving is worth every effort.

    You know what ? All this discussion has talked me into a quick drive this evening out to the Jag dealer to "look around". This could be dangerous because, as usual, my sales resistance to Jags is very low. I am always in the buying mood.

    So, hold your breath, I might just be bringing home another beauty !

    christchurch
  • im_brentwoodim_brentwood Posts: 4,883
    Actually..

    The new AJ6 (88-94), AJ16 (95-97) and AJV8 engines are very very durable.

    Mine own 95 Vanden Plas has nearly 125,000 miles on it as we speak! And it's been the most reliable car i have ever owned.. and I've owned a TON of cars.

    Bill
  • I concur that Jags are excellent motorcars.

    Of course, there are always the exceptional one that has more than its share of quirks. Lucas electrical systems were strangly quirky, indeed. But, newer Jags have benefited from sound engineering and top flight quality control.

    In fact, today, you seldom ever see a drop of oil on the garage floor. This observance led to a comment from an astonished friend who asked sarcastically, "How can it be a Jaguar if there is no oil on the pavement ?"
    [ I might say, he is the same friend who often kids me by telling me that "Jaguars are a mechanics best friend !" ]
    So much for friends and so much for the reputations of yesteryear.
    Today, a Jag is one fine automobile and, I dare say, even getting better.

    My philosophy in keeping a great car great is to faithfully and rigorously maintain good maintance.
    There is no substitute for frequent oil changes with the best lubricants, top grade fuels, and scrupulous mechanical oversight. That is, when anything needs attention it gets it before something gets out of hand. In fact, I have great mechanics who love the cars as I do and take the extra personal touch.

    These Jags are really fine automobiles in so many ways.

    So lets spred the word and let's keep the Jaguar tradition of excellence alive !

    christchurch
  • pablo_lpablo_l Posts: 491
    I bought my '01 XJR new, and it's a beautiful car and all, but to this day I can't shake off the feeling that I did waste money somewhat too frivolously. There really is not much added benefit to a new car, since luxury cars tend to hold up quite well. I made a mental note for the future: no matter how much money I *could* spend, I'll still buy used again in the future.
  • arcoatesarcoates Posts: 221
    That is so true pablo- cars lose their value too fast these days to be spending the extra money. Buy a one year old jaguar, and you are getting practically a new car, for a fraction of the price. My Jag was used and we have had no problems.

    But, I must say this. There is a difference in buying something quality used and buying something that was cheap to begin with used. If I was in the market for a Kia or something, i might buy new, because I doubt it's going to last me long anyway. It's a bad stereotype, but I doubt a company like Kia or Daewoo is going to put a lot of engineering into their cars, when they sell for $12,000 USD. But a Jaguar, that was $70,000 new, is going to be great 3,4, or even 10 years down the road with proper maintenance~ A.R.
  • im_brentwoodim_brentwood Posts: 4,883
    Don't feel bad.

    XJRs hold their value very very well, better than anything else (With the possible exception of an XKR... ) with the leaper badge on it.

    The worst depreciator is the Vanden Plas, but even it isnt that bad.

    Put it this way, I bought my Meteorite/Charcoal 99 XJR a few months ago at a dealer auction. 18K Miles when I bought it, totally flawless, no paintwork..etc...

    Really nice car. If I recall It was a reposessed car. Not as bad as it sounds tho... many Jags (Most actually) are leased and often in the name of a business. Business goes under.. car goes to auction as a repo.

    I Paid $44,000 for it across the block, which was top dollar but it was niiiice. Throw in $600 shipping from St Louis, $400 auction fee, $700 or so for a pair of back tires and we're into the car for $45,700. Figure if a Jag dealer bought it to select edition it they'd have another $1,500 on top of that in expenses for inspection and cost of warranty.

    Retail would be $53-54K or so.

    Means you can put your car in the paper in 2 years and get $50K for it or better.

    $20K in depreciation on a $70K car after 2 years... Not that bad really. Comparable or less to what a Mercedes or BMW in that price range would cost ya.

    Heck, S-Types are doing very well resale-wise so far... so it's not that bad really :)

    Bill
  • christchurchchristchurch Posts: 125
    I thought your discussion of resale values is right to the point.

    Let the depreciated value of a Jag be to your advantage. Those who wish to drive a first class automobile at the cost of, say, a high end Buick, can wait a few years till the price is in the same bracket.... low thirties.

    But what a difference between a Buick and a Jag.
    Sure, the Jag is a few years old, but so what. Buy it will low mileage and it is just "broken in". These cars are there for the duration. Jags with 30-40K miles on them is really nothing

    So, the advice remains... buy back a couple of years... buy "off lease"... buy "certified" but by all means buy a Jag.
    The pleasure will be all yours and you have saved yourself a bundle in the process.
    Moreover, look what you have....a first class automobile and a first class automotive driving expierence!
    You can't beat it!

    christchurch
  • im_brentwoodim_brentwood Posts: 4,883
    Another point I'd like to make:

    Nothing slaughters, (and when I mean slaughter I mean riup the throat out of) the value of a Jaguar like high miles.

    Since most were leased for 36 month periods when new, there's now a good supply of 98 XJ8s on the market.

    Currently it's quite possible to find 98 XJ8s for $25-35K. However, $35K is going to be a good color with low miles, say, a 30K car in Silver, Topaz, Spindrift White, Sapphire or Carnival.

    That same car in Anthracite or Racing Green can be up to $2K less. And that same car with 50K miles is going to sell for the upper $20Ks. 20K miles saves you $7,000. Weird as at lease-end it's a $4,000 penalty!

    Want an XJ8 for $22-23K? Find one with 70K miles on it or so. And, you know what? That's a car that I wouldnt hesitate to drive for another 100K miles with proper care.

    Want a Jag for $12K? Find a 90K mile 95 XJ6... yup, they're out there and they are wonderful cars. However that car in Topaz or Glacier white with 40K on the odometer is a $18K car easily.

    A thought...

    Bill
  • hollie38hollie38 Posts: 1
    I can relate to the person who said you really get attached to your jaguar, I know because I am one of those people. I have a 95" Van Den Plas in rosewood bronze and I even have a name for her. There is nothing quite like a jaguar, in performance, safety and beauty.
  • im_brentwoodim_brentwood Posts: 4,883
    I've had my Jade Green 95 Vanden Plas (With I bet the same interior color...Creme) since new.

    125,000 troublefree miles later... I still love the car.

    Bill
    PS.. It's actually called "Rose Bronze" and the color chart listed it as "Rose Bronze Mica"(It's a pretty high-tech mica based finish). It was a 1995-Only color and available on the XJ12 and Vanden Plas sedans as well as all 4 XJS models, not the standard XJ6.

    I think you have one of about 220 VDPs made in that color that year.
  • christchurchchristchurch Posts: 125
    Holly, welcome to our bunch of Jag admiring enthusiasts
    You are right on the money in saying that you love your car. Is there anything nicer than seeing our leaping Jag glistening in the sun and encouraging us to "open her up" on the highway?
    No automobile I have ever driven, and I have owned and driven some fine marques, is quite like a Jaguar!

    By the way, what did you name your cat?
    These Jags do take on personalities, don't they?
    christchurch
  • christchurchchristchurch Posts: 125
    Bill,

    Thanks for your encouragement to all would be Jag owners. You provided some good solid financial advice and inducement.
    You points are right on target, again.

    I would second the notion that price breaks on mileage considerations.
    I would assure all potential owners to not consider higher mileage vehicles "out of the question". In fact, higher mileage cars can actually provide quite a price bargain. For, by buying at a low price, the buyer can afford putting some additional money into the car to be sure it is up to the "T". And, consider it money well spent.

    I do think it prudent, however, to pick up a car
    that is certified by Jag and carries a 100,000 mile factory warranty extension.

    Color is a matter of personal preference for me.
    I know you are right that some colors are in demand and it sounds as though Holly got a good one.

    On the other hand, I have always loved British racing green, ever since my college roommate bought a beautiful MGB in BRG.
    Somehow, this color is just so... well, British !

    Keep on line with your great advice and Jag buying knowledge. Any other tips?

    christchurch
  • christchurchchristchurch Posts: 125
    Just a general question to (brentwoodvolvo - Bill) and others:

    What is the fair price buying range for the following model years?

    1996 -XJ6 VDP

    1997 -XJ6 VDP

    1998 -XJ8 VDP

    1999 -XJ8 VDP

    2000 -XJ8 VDP

    What would the price increase be if "certified"?

    What mileage range would you feel comfortable buying in?

    Advice?

    Thanks,
    christchurch
  • christchurchchristchurch Posts: 125
    Just an announcement of information regarding the new X type.

    There is a good article (worth reading) by clicking Edmunds REVIEWS.
    The article has accompanying photos.

    Looks like a cute little cat.

    christchurch
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