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Jaguar XJ-Series

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  • xkssxkss Posts: 722
    It has a Tire Pressure Monitoring System, two new wheels, and two new exterior colors.

    The new glass does make the interior quieter.
  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Posts: 1,150
    When Ford bought Jag, Volvo, Aston-Martin, etc. they lumped them (and L-M too!) into a division called the Premium Automotive Group and based it in London. There have been some changes (e.g., the head of PAG left to go off and sell industrial gas for the Linde Corp) and it may not even be called PAG anymore.

    But it seems like Jag is benefiting. The heated windshield Jag offers looks like it migrated over from Rover. The new alu body which is held together with high tech adhesives I think was technology first introduced by Aston on the Vanquish.

    With synergies such as these and the dramatice world wide expansion of the upper middle class, its puzzling why Ford can't make money on these brands.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Well, it's volumes, costs or management, isn't it? Product is definitely improving all the time.

    XKSS - yes new ones. The future of the Q is uncertain according to my dealer here, but I am quite taken with the car. Nissan built stuff is about the only foreign manufacturer that makes cars that seem to fit me like my Lincolns do. I agree, the XJ would have more panache, the Q has never been a great seller in the current style, and even the salesman said, "We don't sell many of these" - a great thing to push em out the door, huh? No question, Jag is higher tech at the moment. More research will be done.
  • Hi,
    Thinking about purchasing a Super V8 Portfolio, but can't find pricing anywhere. We don't want to spend over $100,000, which I suspect might be the case. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Posts: 1,150
    My first reaction is why? My understanding is that the SuperV8 is a VandePlas with the XJR engine but without any of the other R attributes: suspension, wheels, brakes, short wheelbase, etc. etc.

    Seems to me that if you want the R performance (a one second reduction in 0-60 time from the superlative 0-60 in 6 seconds plus better handling, R badging, tires, brakes, wheels, etc.) one should buy a real R with the short wheelbase. If you want supreme long wheel base luxury and a comfortable ride, buy the Vandeplas. Either one is roughly 74K . (An '04 used R right now is less than 50K).
  • nedc2nedc2 Posts: 192
    The SuperV8 has all the nice Jaguar XJR bits, suspension, Brembo brakes, wheels, tires, &c. along with the Vanden Plas' long wheelbase, tray tables, lambswool carpeting... It's like getting both in one package. with just about every option available.... The only thing the Super loses to the R is a few feet of turning radius----and the additional hit to you bank account.
  • Call me crazy, but it's just one of those things, almost like (I'm ashamed to say) a status symbol? We don't do this often, but I wanted to treat myself, although we might just settle for a Super V8.
  • xkssxkss Posts: 722
    The Jaguar Super V8 has the XJR's 4.2 liter supercharged 390 hp V-8, Brembo brakes, different suspension (check the link), and lots of other stuff.

    aluminum XJ

    The new Super V8 Portfolio will likely cost over $100,000. The press release says it has 400 hp (ten more), 20 inch wheels, (aluminum) side vents, a very nice sound system, special paint colors, and other stuff.
  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Posts: 1,150
    XKSS, right you are are. The SuperV8 is more than just the blower engine dropped into a Vandeplas.

    Incidentally, I think in '03 Jag offerred an XJ "sports" edition that was a short wheelbase XJ with, I think, XJR wheels. Were there any other XJR goodies included on this model, e.g., larger antiroll bars, better brakes, etc?

    I think Jag could sell a significant number of XJs if they had all the XJR goodies except for the blower.In other words, the normally aspirated engine with the XJR suspension/wheels. Heck, you can get a BMW 5 Series with the small engine with the active steering and sports suspension. There must be a some people out there (myself included) who would pay up for the suspension goodies but not want the liability of a blower.
  • xkssxkss Posts: 722
    Yes, the 2003 XJR was available in North America with the R1 package which included very nice 18 inch (same size) BBS wheels, Brembo brakes (normal 98-03 XJRs didn't have them), and perhaps something else...

    The R1 package was available in Europe. A sport package was available for the XJ8 here. Including to what you have already said, it may have had different interior and/or exterior trim. I think they have the 1998 style XJR wheels.
  • XKSS, help me out a little: Did the '03 XJ "sports edition" have anything beyond fancy tires/wheels? Larger antiroll bars?

    I think of you as the resident expert, so let me ask another question. What are your thoughts on the long term reliability/maintainabliltiy of an '04 XJR? They seem to command a real world premium of about 8K over the standard "04 XJ. This premium seems to be the same as that of a Vandeplas over a standard '04 XJ. The latter (Vandeplas vs. standard XJ8) premium seems a bit stiff for what you get.

    Now to spend 8K more and get the XJR.....
  • jescuejescue Posts: 521
    As far as I can remember the XJ Sport was simply an appearance package to give the look of an XJR.I have sold many S-Type Rs and XJRs,and have seen zero reliability problems in the supercharged engines.My money would go to the XJR any day over an 04 VDP.Since all 04s were short wheelbase the VDP was really not worth the premium.The XJR also gives you more-such as adaptive cruise as standard equipment.
  • I'm (halfway) looking to buy a a used '04 XJ sedan. When you look at Edmunds.com for my zip code they quote TMV for a Private party sale for an XJR at 53K, an XJ VP at 43K and a plain XJ at 38K. While the latter spread seems OK, isn't their difference of 15K between an XJR and an XJ greater than what is was when new? If you look at cars.com one sees much lower spreads among models and lower asking prices.

    On a related note, it seems that Jag is on a roll. While I can't prove it, I get the same feeling about Jag that I had in the early 80's with BMW: it is poised to really set some sales records. New since '04 trouble free designs, new variants coming out regularly (e.g., the SuperV8, the R series being extended to all models), great pricing, perhaps the best CPO program extant-does anyone else offer 6 years and 100,000 miles?, etc. Additonally the product seems to be nicely differentiated from the competition. Jag is not offerring another variant of a uber German sedan or , like Volvo with its R Series, a variant of the 5 Series.

    Now if the resale would improve everyone would be happy (except for the contrarians like me who see 40K for an '04 XJ with low miles as a real steal.)
  • xkssxkss Posts: 722
    The new 2007 aluminum Jaguar XK will help Jaguar cut costs. It will be a lot more fun to drive than the current XK8. They need to make an aluminum S-Type.
  • I am considering purchasing an XJ8 of one of these model years of 60K to 90K miles. Possibly a VP. We live on a Ranch with caliche roads and I want something enjoyable to drive into town, now and then, over an Excursion. We generally drive 150 miles each time we drive, with only 11 of those miles being the rougher (but not too rough) roads. Because we live so far out, we need something really dependable and with little difficulty of getting fixed.

    We have a Ford dealership in town, but nothing higher end than that. The closest Jag dealer is 100 miles away.

    Any recurring problems in these years that we should be concerned with? Is the maintenance very high-end? Would you allow a regular Ford Dealership to maintain one of these models? Any guidance you can give would be helpful. I have never owned a Jag before, just like the looks and these model years with this mileage is very affordable.
  • euphoniumeuphonium Great Northwest, West of the Cascades.Posts: 3,328
    90k on an XJ8 100 miles from a Jag dealer is like contemplating jumping out of an airplane using only an umbrella as a chute. Join AAA Plus if you buy it. (Their Towing privilege exceeds 50 miles) :(
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Yeah, but only 4 times a year......
  • Funny post. While this might not be the best car for this guy, what really is he looking at? I had the impression that the four cam (!) V8 and transmission were bullet proof.
  • euphoniumeuphonium Great Northwest, West of the Cascades.Posts: 3,328
    Is that one of the reasons you have a Benz500 on order?

    Curious to know why you swam across the channel as I've had the impression you have been impressed with Jags and Town Cars. :)
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I love to RENT Town Cars - but they have lost their luxury, and are clearly a livery and fleet car now. I'm not impressed with their A/C, an issue where I live, and although I'm still impressed with them for the money, I want more luxury than they now provide. The Jag I do like in many ways, the way it drives, the comfort and all. I would still consider one, and if things don't work out with the Benz, it may happen. The Benz seems just a little bit easier for me to get out of, but ....we'll see. I jumped, as you say, because my dealer put me in a 500 for a week long test drive, and I liked it.
  • euphoniumeuphonium Great Northwest, West of the Cascades.Posts: 3,328
    Congratulations! Happy for you! It's a great car! :)

    May you drive on smooth highways with a bugless windshield. ;)
  • It is my understanding that they will pretty much be importing only L length bodies to the states.

    I have figured out that Jag has been using Volvo Whips seat technology at least since last year on the S types and up, it seems. This is why the S-Type is one of the few cars along with Volvo that pass the new rear crash test by the Insurance Institute.

    So, it seems that Jag is now as safe as Volvo. To me, safety is the most important things, since all most everybody dies by car accidents, at least until they are old.

    And the rear crash is kind of the last thing to be worked out by the car companies. No mercedes, bmws, are really safe vis a vis whiplash-- now granted, they each have new systems, but they have not been tested.

    HOWEVER, here is my question: I have NO IDEA what a Jaguar XJ is really worth. They still depreciate like a falling stone! 2 years old and they lose half their value ....

    Quite a quandry. As far as I am concerned, there are NO new safe cars.

    I would like to go in and buy a new 2006 XJ8 today. But I don' think its worth more than 50k, because it will be worth barely more than 40k in a few months.
  • And then there is the dang Portfolio

    Oh, it seems that the Toyota/Lexus rear crash system/seats breaks your neck worse than nothing, if I am reading the data right.

    With BMW you have to buy an unproven neck air bag in the expensive comfort seats: thats all you need is another pyrotechnic device blowing up behind your head.

    The new Mercedes NeckPro looks OK, they give you a stupid ratchet wrench to reset it, if you are still ambulatory.

    If you buy I Volvo S80, the really only safe car in the world, well they have emasculated that with a 2.5 liter engine. I have an older one -- I guess everyone is waiting for the 07, when there may be some cars again.

    But all this blah, blah about the 07s. It is usually stupid to by ANY car the first production year, wheels fall off, all kinds of nightmares.

    So, if you want to buy a nice car, not some six figure thing, but a nice car. What are you left with??

    I think its the 06 XJ8. But who needs the long wheel base. Get an SUV! And like I said, its worth 50K, and I mean loaded with bluetooth and Nav, etc.

    I did see one of those Portfolio editions at the dealer. Nice suede, or alacantara or something in it. Its nice, but it too will be worth half before the paint cures. And they wanted 125k for it. Well, I carry a nice Coach Leather Portfolio at work, I am sure it cost over a hundred dollars, quite extravagant really.

    But that is about all that Jag Portfolio is worth above a standard XJ. At least it has Xenons that turn, which half the cars in the world have already for under 50k.

    And of course Tucker invented that for our grandfathers.
  • Ed, are you saying that the new style XJ sedan has seats with Volvo safety technology?

    While I don't agree with you that "almost everybody dies by car accidents.." until old age gets them, safety is important. Its very important if you want to avoid a life long disability or impediment. Contrary to what the whole life guys push, one has a greater chance of being disabled than dying as a middle aged adult.
  • Yes, apparently so. The S-type passes the rear crash test, with the Volvos, the Saabs and a very few scattered cars. No Mercedes, BMWs for example.

    Yes, who wants to be disabled in a car wreck. But for the first half of life and beyond, most people die by accidents, and most of these are car accidents.

    And that fact that the Insurance Institute only gives GOOD ratings to a couple cars (for rear crashes) is quite shocking.

    I have been in a couple significant accidents, each time hit by someone else. To me it almost seems silly to drive something that doesn't get the highest ratings all around.

    In the case of the Jags, I am deducing, I guess. Since the S-type passes, and since they claim the XJs have the same (Volvo Whips) technology, maybe that is good enough.

    Or maybe the whole world should wait for the 07 Volvo S80.
  • I posted an earlier message about advice in buying older model XJ8's. I have now refined my search and am interested in the foregoing model years. I heard somewhere along the way that 1999's had a recall issue and I cannot now remember what it was. Any one have an idea what it was?

    Also, for high mileage XJ8's, 70-90k miles, any suggestions on service warranty companies and the contracts. Any that are more reliable and/or affordable than others?
    Many thanks
  • Ed, right. If you are going to die before old age it is because of an "accident". My (small) point was though that we have a far greater chance of disability than death until we reach old age. For that reason, as you say we should be in safe cars.

    If anyone feels the need to buy insurance though, it really should be for disability insurance not life insurance and with the money you save buy a Volvo/Saab/etc.

    Looks like Ford is really intergrating their Premium group technologies. We see above that the Volvo seats are now in Jag, this month's Top Gear reports that the new Aston Martin Vantage borrows its NAV from Volvo and the engine from Jag, Jag now offers the heated windshield that Land Rover has long offerred, etc. Nothing wrong with this. Clearly, even disregarding Aston Martin, Jag, and LR, Ford has a better product line up than GM. Better engines, rack & pinion steering, nicer interiors, etc. etc.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I certainly agree with you there....GM is 10 years behind in their technology on most models.
  • xkssxkss Posts: 722
    Volvo helpeed Aston Martin with the safety of the new V8 Vantage, but who wouldn't want Volvo's help with safety?

    The new 2006 Aston Martin V8 Vantage uses a Jaguar 4.2 liter V-8, but the cylinder block, cylinder heads, crankshaft, connecting rods, pistons, camshafts, inlet and exhaust manifolds, lubrication system and engine management are all unique to the 4.3 V-8 used in the new Aston. It also has dry-sump lubrication.

    Jaguar's V-8 first came out with 4.0 liters in the 1997 XK8. It was heavily revised a couple years ago (now with 4.2 liters).

    check the link

    Jaguar's AJ-V8
  • Test drove a 2005 Vanden Plas and this beautiful car's Navigational System didn't always work properly along with the "Bluetooth" option. The practical side of me cannot justify buying a car with faulty options (which I need) but would consider buying one if the price was greatly reduced. Since Jag's depreciate so much what do you think the Vanden PLas will be selling for in early 2006?
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