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Jaguar XJ-Series

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  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Posts: 1,150
    Hey guys,

    Sure, we've all had dreams about buying a geat car although used and getting some life out of it. But, lets review some basic economics. The cost of something is not what you pay for it but the difference between what you pay for it, ongoing maintenance costs, and eventually sell it for. Most of these used Jag sedans are going to be money pits for starry eyed people of moderate means.

    Does that mean we should all buy used MB sedans? NO! The pricing while falling is too high and their reliability is too low. On top of that everyone and their brother is driving one. The best deal out there right now is probably a used '04 XJ for under 40K. Great car, great reliability, but low buy price because people still think that all Jags are like the ones discussed in these posts.

    This reminds me of an article in one of the fine English car mags last month. Their plan was to take a used XJS, perform some basic maintenance at a leading US after market Jag parts specialist in NH and then drive it across the US. After two, repeat two tries, they gave up when they couldn't even get out of NH. And the car had been decently maintained, well prepped, and seemingly was ready to go. It was so bad they couldn't even diagnose the problems!
  • I just wanted to chime in with my great experience with my '06 XJ Super V8. I am not a die hard Jaguar fan, have not dreamed about owning a Jag all my life. I did not intend to buy a Jaguar this time around. But having done so, I am really happy. Here is my story.

    I had owned a two Cadillac Eldorado STS from 1995 through 2000. I enjoyed the sporty response and rapid acceleration. But when they announced that the model would be discontinued, I decided it would be a good time to step up in the world. At that time, the updated Lexus LS430 was introduced and it fit my budget. I owned it from 2001 through 2005. I had 68,000 problem-free, quiet, comfortable, mind-numbingly boring miles. It could go fairly fast, and with the "European Sport Package" could take corners fairly well, but it really didn't want to go fast or corner hard. As the lease came to an end, I resolved to get something more engaging. (Yes, a lease with 68,000 miles--what was I thinking?)

    I test drove everything that was supposed to be a sporty sedan. (The wife required that it be a sedan.) I drove everything except the BMW 7 Series because it is still not good looking and no one I know has mastered the I-Drive.

    I was especially looking forward to the Audi A8 because all the car magazines rave about it, and my wife had once owned a 2001 Audi A4 3.0 with quattro, and it was SO fun to drive. I was expecting a A4 with legroom. Nope. Ponderous feeling. Noticeably not quick. And after the Lexus, unacceptable cabin noise.

    Drove the '07 MB S550 (a few were around the town available to drive). The best Lexus Mercedes ever made. Certainly much faster and better mannered than any MB I have driven before. (I have never been an MB fan.) Also nice looking, inside and out. But it just felt heavy and uninvolving. Other than the speed, it was difficult to see why I would pay $25,000 more than for a new Lexus. (And this was just before Lexus announced the new LS460.) I also tried a CLS55, which was extremely fast although it always felt as though it was wokring hard. The ride was not that punishing on the behind. But while the interior fit and finish looked nice, it somehow felt down-market. And it truly is a 4 door coupe. I doubted my wife would consider it a sedan.

    The Maserati Quattorporte made me smile so much. I even found a way to snag three test drives! But each time after the adrenaline wore off, I couldn't help but wonder about reliability, fuel costs, insurance costs, repair costs and availability of qualified mechanics. And it is pricy. I sure hope Maserati can match others'reliability in the long run. This is car that deserves to be in the market.

    So I was forced to drive a Jaguar. (I literally didn't want to because when the new aluminum model came out a few years ago I had sat in one and couldn'f find a comfortable seat position.) I drove a JX8. It was nice. The dealer wanted me to try a XJR. I declined because I assumed it would be rougher riding than I had become used to. He talked me into trying a Super V8. Golly, it made me smile. Literally. Stupid fast, willing to run at the slightest provocation, so light and responsive. Quiet even when risking tickets for unlawful exhibition of speed. Smooth ride. And the extra seat buttons on the SUper V8 got me into a comfortable driving position. So this is what Jaguar fans have been talking about all these years? I'm joining.

    I have had the car for 8 weeks and have 2,000 miles on it. No problems, mechanically, but did get one speeding ticket. I'm being careful now.
  • I came here a year later still craving a Jag ... I think it's the most stunningly elegant looking car on the planet ...

    I'm sure you made the right choice, for you. Jags aren't for everyone. They are quirky, they probably have too many problems, but I can't help but smile nearly every time I get inside, nearly every time I see that leaper on the hood, nearly every time I hear that engine purr.

    Jags are like making a choice in life between that sensible sweet girl next door and that elusive blonde cheerleader drinking the tequila shots and entering the wet t-shirt contest. You might not want all your cars to be Jaguars, but you should surely enjoy one once in your life. Then when you're in that rocking chair 20 years from now you can think back and smile.... be it the cheerleader or the Jaguar... or if you're very lucky, both.
  • euphoniumeuphonium Great Northwest, West of the Cascades.Posts: 3,333
    Fifty one and a half years ago I married sensible sweet girl next door. Today, while rocking in my chair, I'm shopping for the XJ8. All this after two weeks skiing Whistler. ;)
  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Posts: 1,150
    Right On. We're going to be the first generation that came back from a war, raised kids, built busineses, and at 60 are looking at 997s and XK8s for the Montreal back to Boston commute on Monday morning.
  • bigbenzbigbenz Posts: 6
    Hi,
    I bought a 1997 Vanden Plas about 8 months ago. I travel in it alot and have put approx 20K miles on it in the time that I've had it. I've NEVER had any problems before, however it jerked about 4 or 5 times at 70 mph on the highway and then cut off. I pulled to the side of the road and it cranked back up. It's done it twice in the last week. I replaced the fuel filter but it did it again. Its only done it after I've been driving continuously for a couple hours, it won't do it when I've only been been driving a short while. Any help?? :confuse:
  • bigbenzbigbenz Posts: 6
    Hi Chris did you ever find the problem? Mine is having the EXACT same problem.
  • rvevearvevea Posts: 11
    First Jag I owned was '78 XL6L & had absolutely same problem you mention. I found it to be one of the relays on front pass side of firewall. If memory serves there were 3 or 4 and they looked all the same. I switched them around one at a time until it was "fixed" & then replaced the bad one. Wish I could tell you more, but it was about 25 years ago! Your newer model likely has somewhat similar relays but hidden in a different spot. But that is what/where I would look. I own an '01 XJ8, and IT doesn't have the relays where the older one did so... They were black, about 1"x1" or so. If you can get wiring schematics you can narrow it down to which one and maybe where. Good Luck.
  • rvevearvevea Posts: 11
    With your Jag experience maybe you can help. I own '01 XJ8 but was looking at an '00 XJR. (for extra -unneeded- go) After punching it an amber "restricted performance' light came on. (or something to that effect) I shut it off, restarted, light was off & everything seemed fine. Didn't buy it yet but... what is most LIKELY cause for "warning"? Something simple as dirty air filter or is more major problem likely? Thanks
  • solidagosolidago Posts: 4
    I also have a 97 XJ-6. Live in MA and run 4 Vredestein snow tires in winter that make all the difference. I have these on all my cars and while a littel soft, the winter traction is superb- ice or snow.
  • ggjb124ggjb124 Posts: 1
    I am looking to purchase a used XJ and have done some research. It appears that the 04, 98 and 97 are good reliable vehicles; some of the other years, 03,02,01,00, appear to have dubious reliablity. Any info on the subject would be appreciated. I would prefer 1st hand or good second hand information and not just the normal "hearsay". Thanks.
  • euphoniumeuphonium Great Northwest, West of the Cascades.Posts: 3,333
    The turret top of the 04 has a better design line. The body is aluminum and a lot like the 06's. I vote for the 04.
  • brucelincbrucelinc Posts: 814
    I have been considering a pre-owned XJ to replace my Lincoln LS. This morning I drove a Black '04 Vanden Plas with 28,000 miles on it. It seems to be in pristine condition and performs well. The light tan interior appears showroom new, also.

    Their asking price is $34,995 which seems to be quite a bit below the market in my area. Carfax is clean on the vehicle - it had been a company car for someone locally. I will need to review the owners manual to figure out the NAV system and a few other features so I think I will see if I can take it home overnight for a bit more inspection and investigation.

    Meanwhile, can any of you Jag owners provide any thoughts of specific things to look for, be aware of, or be concerned about?
  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Posts: 1,150
    You're right. The asking price is too low. Way too low. Does it have Louisiana plates?
  • brucelincbrucelinc Posts: 814
    Hahaha - I had the same thought about the Louisiana plates. According to Carfax, it has only been registered here in Minnesota.

    Actually, I see '04s advertised in the mid-30s at non-Jag dealers quite a bit in this area. Certified cars from the Jag dealer are usually over $40k for a low mileage 'O4. This is the lowest I have seen for a fully-equipped '04 Vanden Plas, though.

    I need to do a bit more investigation on it.
  • euphoniumeuphonium Great Northwest, West of the Cascades.Posts: 3,333
    Just last week "Autotrader" listed an 04 XJ8, 1,500 miles, Radiance,Zip Code 02903, private party for $40,000. It didn't take long for it to sell. I passed on it because it was 3,200 miles from here, but had it been within 300 miles, I would have checked it out personally.
  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Posts: 1,150
    Or, you could have called Mrs. Kaplan at Kaplan Jag in Providence and asked her about a two year old Jag with only 1500 miles in her territory.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    The deal is a steal. Don't pass it up. You can easily resell it for what you would pay and even possibly more.

    Have a diagnostic performed on the car to make sure it is OK. It's worth the money. Are you certain that you have checked the complete service history on this car? If all checks out fine . . . DO IT! Do not hesitate, and consider yourself very lucky.

    TagMan
  • euphoniumeuphonium Great Northwest, West of the Cascades.Posts: 3,333
    I agree. Hurry before a funeral home buys it for a "family car".
  • dl7265dl7265 Posts: 1,381
    If you look in Auto Trader in Dallas 75228 should get you close enough.There is a used Jag -dealer that has tons of 2005 XJ8L with 500-20k miles for 39-42K. The MSRP were in the 65K range. Are these New Orleans cars ? or do the wheels fall off after the warranty expires?

    Just Curious
    DL
  • solidagosolidago Posts: 4
    If you can find a low-mileage 97 xj-6, you will have a very reliable car. I bought a 97 in 2000 with 19K, and other than replacing a transmission oil seal (from non-use, a front end oil seal (common), and a throttle body (also common), it's been a great car. Now have 60K. The downside is you will not have a Jag certified-preowned with the 6 yr./100K warranty. But the 4.0 6 is a great engine. The V-8's, at least the early years, have had trouble. The materials in the 95-97 xj-6 are superior to what you find now- Ford influence- check out the carpets and headliners. Find a private jag mechanic and ask them- they love the 4.0 6. Good luck.
  • volvo4lvolvo4l Posts: 1
    i have a 2004 Jag XJ8 and need to do an oil change. However, i cannot figure out how to remove the cover underneath the car. Can someone help ?
    thanks
  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Posts: 1,150
    Volvo4l, sorry can't advise on a Jag. I can tell you that changing it on an XC Volvo with a similar plate can be an ungodly mess if you don't get the filter back on tight.
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  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Posts: 1,150
    Gentlemen,

    It is time to get your MBA caps on. Which one of the three cars listed below is the better deal:

    1) Locally owned '04 XJ , Black on Black with 9K miles, CPO, dealer owned, 44K

    2) New '05 XJL , BRG with Sand, 56K

    3) New '06 XJL, Black on Black, 66K

    Curiosly enough, the '06 is virtually identical to the '05 except Jag added a chrome ring around the tail light and deleted the mid-door rub rail for a cleaner look. Sadly, the '06 already had a ding where the protective rub rail would have been.
  • rvevearvevea Posts: 11
    Saw your post & should have replied earlier. Don't know your knowledge of Jag line so maybe my concern is unfounded. Hoping the unit you were looking at WAS/IS an XJ series & not the X series. World of difference & Jag/Ford added the VDP option to the X so it could be confusing to a newbie. Hope that is not the case, or if so, that you found it out before it was too late. The $34,995 figure suggests, at least to me, that this could be the likely scenerio, assuming the car is "honest". If it IS an XJ8 & "honest" then, YES, it is a steal & the seller is uninformed and lost, to say the least. Please quell my curiosity.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    All short wheelbases? Any equipment differences?

    Initially, I'll say don't touch the '06, but tell me if there are ANY equipment differences between them, because to be honest with you, I'm not yet sure ANY of them are a good enough deal.
  • rvevearvevea Posts: 11
    notice '04 is std wb, '05 & '06 are lwb. There are MANY '05 lwb (XJL's) available with very low to decent (20k at most) miles ranging from $42k to $50K. Should be able to find a real decent one with about 12k for $46, saving $10k. Remember... as SOON as the new '05 or '06 is titled to you it IS a USED car. Period. If worried about warranty get it "certified" for a few extra bucks. Still a lot less and biggest "first" depreciation factor is gone. Your local Jag dealer CAN get you one of these. Give him a couple color choices and 30 days. You'll be an owner.
  • euphoniumeuphonium Great Northwest, West of the Cascades.Posts: 3,333
    Only because I saw an 04 XJ, Radiance on White with 1,500 miles by private owner in Providence RI when surfing through Auto Trader a couple of weeks ago do I discern that your 04 is 6 to 7K over priced.

    Had that Radiance with 1,500 miles been within 300 miles of me, I would have checked it out, but 3,000 miles is just too far. It sold very quickly anyway.
  • brucelincbrucelinc Posts: 814
    Yes, it was an XJ8 Vanden Plas - but there is a "catch." The car was on the dealer website for $34,995. I drove it and told the salesman that I would be back the next day for them to appraise my LS for possible trade. We didn't even discuss price.

    When I returned the following day, the salesman sheepishly told me the website was wrong. They have 2 XJs - the Vanden Plas that I looked at and another base model with about 40,000 miles. They had apparently done some sort of "cut and paste" when they set up the site. They had all the information and pictures for the Vanden Plas but they had the price and VIN of the base model. The Vanden Plas is $42,995. The base model with the higher miles was $34,995.

    They made an honest mistake so I didn't push it. However, I kind of lost interest in the Vanden Plas at $8000 more than the price quoted on their site.

    By the way, my understanding is that there are a couple of significant upgrades to the 2006 models - more insulation and thicker glass. I haven't driven an '06 but I am told that they are much quieter than the '04 and '05s.
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