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MINI Cooper

pocahontaspocahontas Posts: 802
edited April 22 in MINI
Edmunds' First Look at the 2002 Mini Cooper, by Philip Reed. What do you think?


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Thanks for your comments. ;-)


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  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,438
    I can't wait to test drive it. I would really like to know the acceleration specs on it (the S in particular). My only concern is fitting into it (at 6' 5"). We'll see. I'll be there at the bimmer dealer when they arrive.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • A) Can super-size Americans fit in this extra-small import?

    B) Is anyone else worried about what a Ford Excursion would do to this car and its passengers in an accident?

    C) Can we expect typical British reliability on this car
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,438
    That's all anyone ever points out to me when i mention the Mini. "That's a deathtrap!" As far as I'm concerned, when pitted against a bohemoth SUV, what small car isn't a deathtrap? Aside from that, I think that safety features have become so far advanced that it really doesn't matter if you're in a midsize sedan or a compact car. If you're going to get hurt in an accident, you're going to get hurt no matter how big your car is. In other words, if I go head on into an Excursion with a combined speed of 120 mph, I'm getting crushed whether I'm in a Mini or my 626.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • You're right about head on, but what about getting t-boned at an intersection or side-swiped on the highway? I think those are much more "likely" accidents and also the kind of accidents where size does matter. If I'm going 35 mph and I get t-boned by an SUV at an intersection, I'd much rather be in a 626 or an Accord than a Mini. I don't think that the Mini is a "deathtrap." I think they are rather neat cars. But I would rather have my wife and daughter driving around town in my VW Passat than a Mini. Even though the pricing on both cars is comparable, both are neat looking and (I assume) fun to drive, I think the safety factor has to go I favor of the VW.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,438
    well, I think we're going to have to wait on the crash test ratings. The developers are claiming that the Mini is going to redefine compact car safety. With crumple zones and impact beams and airbags all around, but what car doesn't have those things these days? We'll just have to find out how much "redifining" there will be.

    Currently, I also drive an Alfa Romeo Spider in the nice weather, so, when it comes to myself, I just don't find that I'm terribly concerned with the safety of the car. But, as you point out, would I want my wife driving it around all of the time? Probably not.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • And if they can do more on safety, then I would be more than happy to buy one. I think it's a great looking car. As safety goes, another compact -- the VW Beetle -- has gotten excellent crash test scores, so certainly I think the Mini could follow suit.

    Certainly, a lot of what is great about driving is not analyzing crash test data and reliability reports. It's about what is fun. And certainly the Mini seems to promise the fun factor in spades. And anyone who drives an Alfa would agree on that point!
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,438
    I'm going to be there for a test drive when they arrive. No doubt.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • rickroverrickrover Posts: 602
    I put a $1k deposit on it about 2 months ago at my local BMW dealer, I'm number 17 on the waiting list. They stopped taking deposits after they had 20, which took all of 2.5 days. I'm hoping they offer the Mini Cooper S from the start, I bought a press kit from the Detroit auto show on Ebay, I've got the photo quality Mini pictures (8) framed and hanging in my office. I'm hoping to free my schedule up to the point of attending the New York auto show next month to see a Mini first-hand This will be a third car, it won't be my primary car. I plan to give it every performance upgrade I can, I'm sure Dinan will have some go-fast goodies for it. Hopefully 200+ HP won't be hard to pull out of the S supercharged engine.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,438
    a deposit already. And without even seeing it? And not even knowing when its coming? Does your dealer even know if they are selected as one of the 40 Bimmer dealers that will get the Minis? The mini website still doesn't have that info. they just show the general location of the dealerships by state.

    I just can't do that. I have to see if I can fit in it. I plan to be at the NY auto show. I hope they let people in it and they don't just have a roped off showpiece.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • wie_gehtswie_gehts Posts: 30
    ... his dealer just likes to take deposits. Hey, I can make a list, too!
  • rickroverrickrover Posts: 602
    BMW knows which dealers will sell the Mini, there will be 72 of them. My BMW dealer's begun building it's Mini sales facility, a positive sign it'll be one of the 72. The deposit is fully refundable - if I like it I'll be one of the first to own one and if I don't, I won't buy one. I plan to modify it quite a bit, I like to tweak my cars, it won't be my primary vehicle.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,438
    If they know that, do they know about when they'll be getting them?

    Where is your dealer?

    Hell, if its refundable, I'll order one. I'll order three.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • rickroverrickrover Posts: 602
    They are supposed to have the Mini facility built in 6-8 months. Actually they are just tacking an addition on the existing BMW dealership - It's Fields BMW in Orlando. I have a couple of updates:

    All they are saying for when they'll start rolling in is "early 2002", they haven't heard anything more detailed from BMW.

    The Supercharged S will be available from the beginning (yeah!)

    They are in the beginning stages of hiring Mini specialists.
  • pocahontaspocahontas Posts: 802
    We look forward to hearing about any other Mini Cooper news you may come across.... Keep us posted. Happy Motoring!

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  • rickroverrickrover Posts: 602
    Not much to report - just waiting, waiting, waiting. The latest Roundel and Europen Car magazines have spy shots of the Mini Cooper S being tested on-road in Europe. It has 17" wheels, an additional air intake (scoop?) mounted low center of the hood and dual exhausts that exit through the center of a vented rear valance - looks SICK - can't wait!

    I stopped by my BMW dealer last week - got to extensively test drive the new M3 and a used 2000 M5 - what a blast they are to drive. BMW has really taken the edge off the M3, can't say that I like it that much - but the M5 - WOW - no words to describe how perfect it is in every respect.
  • pocahontaspocahontas Posts: 802
    And while we're waiting, here's something to fun read from Edmund.com's Review section: Top 5 Cars You Would Buy With A Fat Tax Refund. You'll notice that the Mini Cooper made the list! ;-)


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  • speeds2muchspeeds2much Posts: 164
    Regarding the safety factor, here in European cities many people drive small cars because it's much easier to park them and because petrol is un-godly expensive (around $7 a gallon at the high end). Also, small and maneuverable cars are a blast to drive! At the speeds one reaches in London, the mini is more than safe enough. Plus, there just aren't that many SUVs to worry about.

    In the States, driving conditions are different, but really in most situations with the low speed limits in the U.S., you're fine with a Mini. The car is built like a tank, as are superminis like the Renault Cleo and VW Polo. These cars are very solid. I'd rather get sideswiped in a Mini than in, say any convertible. Or any car without a side airbag, for that matter.

    Anyone who buys one is buying it for fun and I'd doubt that driving a Ferrari is any safer, but you don't see people complaining about Ferrari safety to those fortunate enough to buy one!
  • rickroverrickrover Posts: 602
    I agree completely - A Mini is similar to a Porsche 911, Boxter or a Miata. I'd much rather be in a New MINI than a Miata in a crash. Look at how well a New Beetle does in a crash, I bet the New MINI will do at least as well, if not better. I may head up to the New York Auto show to take a look at one in person. Still patiently waiting for my 2002 New Mini Cooper S.
  • harry0harry0 Posts: 42
    I want one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • bill_1bill_1 Posts: 97
    Well I think the Mini might be a little weird safety wise. Certainly with all the airbags and other safety features the Mini is decidely not a death trap. Still it is rather small and while I like small cars I must admit there is a coralation between size and safety (under the assumption that you actually crash, the best safety feature is a car that handles well with a good driver) so I suspect that you might get more moderately serious injuries than you would get in a larger car but that you could survive any of the injuries that do happen.
  • rickroverrickrover Posts: 602
    Check out www.mini2.com - billed as the #1 unofficial Mini website - lot's of interesting info.

    BMW's updated their Mini website as well - www.miniusa.com - more info there than in the past.

    Even more pumped about my New Mini - if that's possible. C'mon early 2002!
  • pocahontaspocahontas Posts: 802
    For those that don't have a chance to swing by there, please keep us posted on any new information ya find there! Happy Motoring! ;-)

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  • thsmiththsmith Posts: 10
    Does anyone know if any BMW dealers in North Carolina have been confirmed as Mini dealers?

    thx,
    --travis
  • rickroverrickrover Posts: 602
    BMW will announce the 70 chosen dealers on April 16th. Check their Mini website: www.miniusa.com after the 16th for the official list. You can check there now to see how many proposed dealers there are for North Carolina. I live in Florida but bought an M Coupe last year from Flow BMW in Winston-Salem NC. Flow BMW is one of the best BMW dealers I've ever dealt with - hopefully they will be a Mini dealership. Ask for Sheri Blakely in sales, she's fantastic.
  • revdrluvrevdrluv Posts: 417
    I hear the chassis of the new mini is incredibly complex. It is supposed to be one of the best handling cars ever. Anyone know a price yet for the US. They are supposed to be so cheap in europe that BMW isn't going to make much money off them.
  • rickroverrickrover Posts: 602
    Europe will get a cheaper version of the Mini than the U.S. that will have a smaller engine and a lower trim level - see www.mini.com for european Mini details

    The U.S. will get a Mini Cooper that is supposed to start around $18,000 and the supercharged Mini Cooper S will be priced around $25,000.
  • tommyp13tommyp13 Posts: 146
    I talked to a rep at the NYC autoshow for awhile, and that's what she knew. I've also seen other estimates at the 18/21k range for the two models.

    $25 would price itself out of the market.

    The UK base version is called the "One".

    BMW has already lost a ton of money on their dabbling into UK autos, so clearing a little profit will be a big step up for them.
  • rickroverrickrover Posts: 602
    I was hoping to make it up to NYC for the show but wasn't able to. How does the Mini look in person? That's great news about the pricing on the S. I'm thinking that BMW will do just fine profit-wise on the Mini.
  • tommyp13tommyp13 Posts: 146
    The cars looked great. Unfortunately, they were all locked. They had a blue, red, and another color (can't remember, but not one of the more interesting ones). The car is definitely a much bigger Mini than the classic. One had the panorama sunroof, which really opened up the roof. That same car had the navigation control unit, and auto. All had really nice-looking black leather on them.
    They looked like they could seat for reasonable people, but trunk room with the rear seat up looked like it could fit little more than a box of kleenex. Really interesting interiors, and the bank of toggle switches is a really cool retro element.
  • ms_joannems_joanne Posts: 69
    Too bad the dash, IMHO, is horrible! What's with the speedo in the center? Blech!
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