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  • rayt2rayt2 Posts: 1,208
    It seems the buying of a Mini is only slowed down if you live in the west. Dealers in the east seem to have them on the lot in many configurations. Prestige Mini in Mahwah N.J. (supposedly the largest dealer on east coast)has many Cooper's and "S" models to choose from on the lot. They get MSRP for all cars. There is a wait for "S" orders up to 6 months however. They also have a couple of JCW versions in showroom.

    For those into racing, my trip this past weekend to Watkins Glen Racetrack for the Fall Vintage Festival had many of the Mini's of old on the track and holding their ground. They still draw the crowds and are a blast to watch race.

    Ray T.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,278
    I'm confused. you say there are many on the lot to choose from, but then you say a 6 month wait? Which is correct??

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • rayt2rayt2 Posts: 1,208
    If you ORDER a Cooper it's a 4 to 6 week wait. If you ORDER an "S" it's up to 6 month wait. It all depends on the options you want. My only option on my Cooper was the color, Indi Blue, which was on the lot.
    Choose from the lot.........no waiting !
    If you buy one from Prestige send me an e-mail (address in my profile) so I can add another knotch in my belt for referrals. LOL

    Let's Motor !

    Ray T.
  • dlipdlip Posts: 7
    Is the Cooper S have a alarm come with it? If not
    can it install alarm with aftermarket? Will it spoil the factory warrenty?
  • Quick concern,

    Our Mini S (With run flats) has the tire pressure indicator light come on occasionally even though the pressure is fine. I have come up with theory (until I visit the dealer) that it has to do with heat. It only seems to happen if it is hot out or sitting on a parking lot during the day.

    Anybody have the same experience?
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    Mini yesterday (west coast) and was told that regardless of S or non-S, the wait would be three months, and they had none on the lot at all except a couple for demo drives. Was told "the advantage of this is that you can order the car exactly the way you want it". That was at Mini of Concord (SF area).

    Isn't the tire-monitoring system merely a computer chip monitoring the ABS/traction systems to check for pressure differentials? So even if one tire is too HIGH it will trigger the system. Make sure they are all the same pressure as each other.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • Some cars have problems with the tire light so if yours is coming on intermittently and the pressure is fine, you might want to take it to your dealer just in case.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,278
    ok, so only if you don't like what's sitting on the lot. Gotcha.
    If they have that many sitting there, I'm really surprised the wait is so long. Guess folks are pickier than I suspected.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • stryderstryder Posts: 140
    I don't believe, though it may change for '04 an Alarm is standard on any of the cars, but as of '03 models, a dealer kit is available, its a few hundred dollars, I can't remember exactly what, and the installation cost varies depending on the labor rate of course.

    Call your dealer and ask, they should know about it. It includes an interior motion sensor, a tilt sensor (in case someone tries to tow the car) and adds a blinking LED to the end of the stalks. Its probably also on MINIs site.

    MINI expects the cars to be ordered, unlike most other brands, the point is you get a car to your exact specifications. With the amount of options, its not a case of being picky, its just because you can. Most people buying MINIs don't need a car this weekend, so they take the time to get exactly what they want. Its also more profitable for MINI of course, because not keeping cars in inventory saves money. Most of the cars on the lot are ones people ordered then backed out of.
  • dlipdlip Posts: 7
    Just check with the dealer is coast 550.00 but they said you can install any brand you like from the afermarket due this for security and it would't spoil the warranty. Is 550.00 too much?
    any idea how much for the aftermarket?
  • t33t33 Posts: 5
    I am just joining all of you and wondering a few things regarding the Cooper S...

    1) I am trying to decide whether or not to add the DSC. I'll be driving in rain, snow and sleet. Seems like past posts indicate differing opinions. What are your current ones?

    2) They offer All-Season Run Flats; do you change these tires for snow tires? I thought the purpose of All-Season tires was their ability to do well in all kinds of weather. What did I miss?

    3) Has anyone installed the Invisishield. Looks really neat. Wondering if it works, if the glue does any damage to the car, if it's worth the price.

    4) For anyone who has the leatherette seats, how do you like them? They seem like they would make you a bit sweaty. What are the cloth seats like?

    I appreciate any words of wisdom. I can see pros and cons to many of these items and would appreciate taking into account real world experiences.
  • 1. I have ASC+T, not DSC but I find it to be very useful, especially when the roads are slippery. I find it does a good job of controlling wheelspin without being intrusive. I've experimented with turning it off but this just means more wheelspin most of the time. In the dry it is sometimes better to turn it off but even there I find when it is cutting in, I really should back off the throttle.

    2. All season tires should really be call no season tires IMO. They are best in no situation, OK in most. Performance all-seasons particularly are a joke in serious snow. I chose to get performance summers for summer and winters for winter so I get the best traction in all conditions.

    3. I don't have an invincashield but I do have some rock chips...

    4. I really like the leatherette seats. They do make you sweat a little on the hottest days but not much more than real leather or even cloth. Plus, with AC for summer and seat heaters for winter, you can deal with the sticky afternoons and cold mornings.
  • dlipdlip Posts: 7
    From some kind of imformation said the Run-flat which with cooper S is too hard to get a impact and it too much noice. When there is a tight corner is not good enough than a orignal air support tires. the only good thing is you can run more until you find station. Due to the S is no spare tire will you take the risk to go back to some air support tires? Any body can give me some advise, please!
  • dlipdlip Posts: 7
    I been reading some other brand of forums such as Luxus SC430 they all came with run-flat but the owner 90% will change back to regular tires when their factory run-flat retire, they claim the run-flat is too much noice and not comfortable to ride and they willing to take a tire repair kits in their trunk.
  • I find the runflats corner well. I'm not sure where that rumour comes from. R compound racing tires have stiff sidewalls for good cornering and runflats give you that too. They handle differently as they don't flex much but this is different, not worse.

    With the exception of the 17" Goodyear RSA tires, they aren't even as heavy as many people say compared to non-runflat tires, perhaps a pound or two heavier each, not double the weight as some suggest.

    The ride is a bit harsher but not as much as people say. Test drive 15" and 16" shod Coopers, the latter which comes with runflats, and see for yourself.

    Once they've worn a fair bit, both my Goodyear Eagle summers and my Dunlop WinterSport snows (both runflats) are noisy but most tires I've owned have become noisier with wear. The Goodyears are really getting worn now and may be on their last legs (not sure it'll be worth putting them on next summer as I doubt they'll last the season before going completely bald) and they are fairly noisy, especially on rough pavement, but I can still hear the fan on its lowest setting so they aren't as bad as some others I've had (Firestone Affinity, just awful).

    I have a Cooper which could accommodate a spare but I like the runflats and will be replacing them with runflats when the time comes.
  • stryderstryder Posts: 140
    I know someone who bought the kit for the alarm and installed it themselves, it cost $300, but that was due to some dealers offering discounts on parts. $550 seems a smidge high, but not too much, and it'll be better integrated then your average alarm, which would probably cost $200 or so in parts plus install. Up to you really, see how much your insurance will go down with the alarm. Installing another brand could get you in hot water if the dealer doesn't do it though, so be careful, MINIs very picky about warranty and if someone cuts the wrong wire, it'd be a pain to fix.

    You get traction control standard on the S, I haven't driven with DSC so I can't offer any help, I never felt that the car was unsafe without it in rain sleet and snow, and in snow especially the car would slide a bit but always controllable, I'm not sure that'd get defeated with DSC. You can always turn DSC off though, but that'd also remove ASC. I'd be inclined to get DSC if you don't expect to drive at the limit where it might get in the way.

    I fully agree with Hpulley, all-seasons are a bad idea if you expect to get actual snow. Just spend the money on a cheap set of alloy rims and snows and you'll be happier in the long run, and you can run performance summer tires. I can only think all seasons would be good for somewhere that gets snow once or twice a year, and they're killing your summer performance while doing that.

    I don't know how you'd know if the glue did any damage to the car until you removed it... which is probably not common on invisishield, but it does protect from chips from the installs I've seen. Of course its best done by someone who has previously done a MINI so they know what they're doing.

    I had leather seats, no help on that discussion, sorry. (They were nice, not sure if they were worth $1200 though)
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,617
    that high performance all-season tires function fairly well on dry pavement and in moderately snowy conditions. If you plan on cornering with the door handles scraping the ground you should get regular performance tires tho. No doubt a lot of Minis will be driven that way.

    2000 BMW 528i, 2001 BMW 330CiC

  • stryderstryder Posts: 140
    I made a stop on the dunlop summer tires (16" size) on a slightly icy road, from about 15mph. I skidded, with ABS going about 10 feet. After that I decided very quickly I was getting snow tires, until then I wasn't sure.

    The summer tires are downright dangerous. The snows I got (blizzak ws-50's) allowed me to easily go through all snow and ice as long as it wasn't much deeper then 5" since snow plowing with a MINI doesn't work well. I drove through at least 10 storms with the snows and never once felt like the car was out of control. SUV's were busy piling up like flies on the side of the road with all-seasons on though, so while driving style has something to do with it, I was very much in better shape then they were.
  • Hi! I am about to shop around for MINI, I read message posted by NYMINI about a $500 discount from the dealer he ordered from.

    Can you tell me which dealer gives out discount? A million thanks. (Just want to feel better if I don't have to pay MSRP :>)
  • t33t33 Posts: 5
    If anyone is aware of a dealer in the Philadephia region, would you please let me know?

    I would also be interested in a dealer who would at least include the mats for no extra charge. When I asked this of one salesman, what I was told is that the sales force is all salary. There isn't a large markup on the cars so it's like Saturn in that here's the price - there's no room to haggle. As far as including accessories to help the buyer feel like they're getting some sort of break, that's where the sales force gets a commission so they're not going to just give that away. The salesman made a big deal about how the sales force was told to give the owner's friends the best customer service but the price is the price.

    My initial reaction is to think that I'm being told a "story" but I figured I might as well ask if anyone can confirm this.
  • Hi, my brother has the 2003 Mini Cooper S and is convincing me to buy a Mini too. I'm looking into buying the 2004 Mini Cooper Base with the premium and Cold pkg, DSC, R85 17inch wheels, spoiler, dim lights and audio upgrade. Now, I will be using this as a commuter car and I drive about 30K miles a year. Any commuters out there? Can this car hack the rigors of everyday driving or is it just a weekend car? My bro is no help as he babies his mini and keeps it in the garage all the time. Thanks.
  • I commute my MINI daily (40 miles) and rally it on some weekends (winter especially, I love snow driving) and so far aside from a wheel alignment and recently some new wiper blades it has held up really well in the wear department (it has had some quality issues but mine is an '02 and current ones are supposed to be better -- service under warranty has been excellent at least). If you drive it hard it eats tires but if you don't drift and squeal too much they'll probably last longer.

    Up to now mine hasn't been garaged so it has also been through some winter. Only real problem there is the glass isn't that hard. Road sand caught in ice under the scraper causes some scratches like I've never seen so be careful when ice scraping or use the defrost options instead and be patient.
  • s852s852 Posts: 1,051
    People say the ride is quite stiff and harsh.
  • ...get a Buick. The MINI handles well and it shows. Will it loosen your fillings? No. Can you feel the road? Yes, and to me that's a good thing.
  • stryderstryder Posts: 140
    Ok, so why did your salesman say 'we're salaried' then say well we can't give you a discount, because that's where we make commission. So then they're not entirely salaried.

    Anyway, If you want cheap floor mats, a few dealers sell parts as a discount (as much as 30% depending on the item and its markup) so you can just call one of them and get the floormats for less then $100.. I do know however if you have the option of going to another dealer, you have more bargaining room, just get a price quote from another dealer, even if its an hour or two away, and see if you can make them fight. You're in more of a problem when you're somewhere with only one close dealer.

    I doubt the salespeople I've dealt with are not commision based on the cars, they always seem to not mention it, and no one ever said the price wasn't negociable, like saturn (BMWs certainly have negociable prices on less popular models), its just demand says there's waiting lists at MSRP, so why should you pay less. Your salesman is making up excuses (and poor ones at that) on why you should pay MSRP. I don't except you can get a discount (check the residual values, paying MSRP is a good thing, unlike horribly supplemented cars whose value drops like a rock)
  • Thanks for the info. How many miles do you have on your mini btw and how often did you have to bring it back to the dealer then? Was it for quick fixes? I do hope that the 04 is a lot better as I don't have that many vacation days. =) Also, do you have the harmon kardon setup? Somebody told me its 300 watts. The standard audio is okay but doesn't have much bass. I can definitely hack the mini. I drove it from NYC to Boston and back (500 mile trip). Its a fun ride. Going over bumps is kinda like being on a body board going over a wave.
  • rayt2rayt2 Posts: 1,208
    I got a 03 Cooper for a commuter car and play toy, only option needed for me was the color (Indi Blue). I put a 100 miles a day, this car can take it and then some. I have 10500 miles so far and only trip to the dealer is for the free scheduled service included with the Mini. No problems no complaints.

    GO FOR IT !

    Let's Motor!
  • Great. I can't wait to test drive a base cooper this weekend. Thanks everyone for the advice.
  • I have over 20K miles on my '02 MINI thus far.

    Most of the problems were quick fixes like back of driver's seat trim popping off and topping off the coolant (seems like there were air pockets from the factory as it wasn't leaking but went down in level a couple of times) but April I needed a new tranny and the doors and windows started acting Christine-like so the car was off the road for a while for a new gearbox and electronics. They gave me a rental all that time but it still wasn't fun driving Ford Windstar, Taurus and Protege cars. Anyways, getting back into the car after the repairs made it all OK again.

    I haven't heard of any recent cars having those troubles. There were some recalls on the original 5-speed tranny and on the seals to some of the electricals which got wet and corroded on my car (that recall wasn't done here for some unfortunate reason) -- hopefully they're sealed right from the factory now. Enjoy your testdrive and let us know.

    Mine is also IndiBlue, Ray. Great choice ;-)
  • eman5eman5 Posts: 110
    Any opinions?
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