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  • I am going to London/Manchester next week and am trying to rent one to drive for the week. Worse case scenario I will go to dealer and test drive.

    I will report back how it drives I can tell you from going through the S at in person last week, that the fit and finish is much better than I expected.
  • mdmetzmdmetz Posts: 27
    US pricing was announced at the Detroit show today -- $16,850 for the Cooper and $19,850 for the Cooper S, including destination. Prices for the car and the options are now available at http://www.miniusa.com, and my opinion is that they aren't gouging on options to make up for the low base price, either.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,210
    I was expecting $22K on the S based on reports in the mags over the past several months. Its nice to see that its an even better deal. The one I would get would be just a hair over $21. Dammit! Now I'm a tad aggravated that I already bought a car. *sigh*

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • tommyp13tommyp13 Posts: 146
    I got an email yesterday, and went to the website and checked out the press release (used to have a deposit on an S, but bought a benz c230 instead). Anyway, weren't there supposed to be something like 14 colors? I realize that some of them are on the base and not the s, and vice versa, but I'm surprised that they've really contracted the #. My favorite, oasis, isn't even available, and my second, root beer, is only on the base. Makes me glad that I went with the Benz.

    I really like the option customization, though. I still hear that you won't be able to order exactly what you want for the first several months of production. It'll be an interesting introduction.
  • rickroverrickrover Posts: 602
    My Mini dealer told me they expect the first cars that hit the dealership to be "fully spec'd" meaning they will have most all the options. A fully optioned Mini S will be around $26K - all packages, navigation etc., etc..
  • Great looking little car! Especially the "S"

    Yeah, I can wait a couple of years for one and then get the price I want. Plus my current lease will be up in August 2005 so I am thinking around 2004 to purchase a Mini.

    Only problem is, with me in the front seat (I'm 6'1) equals 0 back seat room. My seat was touching the back seat. No bueno!

    But sign me up for a Cooper S with Dark Silver, white top, sunroof every other option! :)
  • Minis are not large, or even small cars by US standards. Once the novelty wears off, sales will drop fast because few gringos will want a car taht small, and less expensive compacts will out perform it.

    I'm hoping BMW will eventually bring over a proper compact to the States, something like the old 2002.
  • seminole_kevseminole_kev Posts: 1,722
    it isn't just size or performance, it's also quality. I can think of no small cars that will match it in quality for that price. Also, I think it will be tough to find a car that will match it in handeling. Maybe the Civic Si, Focus SVT and Mazda MP3 will come close, but those are bigger and heavier cars. (never thought I'd say that about a Civic, Focus or Protege!)
  • By just peeking in the form here, I can see there is quite some erroneous statements concerning “price mark-ups” and “hype.”

    First - there will not be any sort of mark up of the new ‘02 at any authorized BMW dealerships. None. Possibly at second-hand lots there may be mark-up, but BMW has a strict policy of marking up the MSRP on any of their cars. I do not work for them, but let’s say that it is “in the family.”

    I am sure they (any of the authorized BMW dealerships) will rigg out many of the new Minis with expensive options - but why not? They can sell more and make more – but they do not mark-up the price.

    All are taking deposits – from $500 to $1000 for the std. Cooper or S. This money, according to the web site, is 100% refundable should you opt out at any time – regardless if you spec’d out a Mini for order (may vary from dealer to dealer). I hear of one case where one dealer had some issues with ordering a Mini with a power sunroof and deposit reimbursement. Check your dealer to be sure.

    The MSRP for the standard Cooper and S does include destination charges - all you pay is TT&T beyond that (with options of course). Also, not all BMW dealers are authorized Mini dealers – you need to check for your own area.

    If you want to see more about pricing and dealer lists and what other people are reporting, try these links:

    www.mini2.com

    www.miniusa.com (official site)

    www.minimania.com

    Just trying to set some facts straight.

    -PJB
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    Well, their strict policy against markups definitely does NOT apply to M3s at the two Detroit area dealerships.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,292
    Or M5s, or the X5 at first.

    Actually, I think it is illegal for BMW to tell the dealer what to charge. There is something particular in the Saturn franchise agreement I think, but a BMW dealer is an independant business.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,210
    dealer can do whatever they want. Manufacturer has no control. And, as already pointed out, tell all those people that paid a markup on their bmws that "dealers don't add a markup".

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • Dealers are free to charge whatever the market will bear, as others have pointed out. You are just being naive if you believe otherwise. BMW/MINI dealers are going to behave predictably during the initial high demand period -- outrageous markups over MSRP and fully loaded "take it or leave it" cars are going to be the norm, IMO. Sure, there will be a few dealers who may sell a car at list to an established Bimmer customer, but this won't be what Joe Average can expect.
  • rickroverrickrover Posts: 602
    Dealers can charge whatever they want, the manager of my Mini dealer said he's not sure how much over MSRP they are going to tack on their Mini's. Because I'm a repeat customer, I will get mine at MSRP. I actually got close to $3K off my 2001 X5 from them then got another $1k off from the BMW club. Can't beat that. M3's and M5's, even Z8's are all MSRP at this dealership if you are a repeat customer.
  • rezo00rezo00 Posts: 103
    I like the mini but its way overpriced... you could get a toyota celica for just a little more... and it will do everything better. except the lack of heated front window and seats...or if you really want a value go buy a buick century for 17grand... thats not msrp but thats what they roll out the lot for, especially with $2002 cash back. 200hp instead of 115...a lot more car for your dough... If the mini was $15 grand it would be worth it, but not $18-20.
  • As others have stated you are totally wrong. Although Mini-USA "strongly suggests that dealers sell for set price, it is completely up to the dealer" Maybe in some situations and locations throughout US dealers won't stick it to consumers, but they will in So CAL. Supply and demand drives prices and right now BMW is enjoying the fact that they have had high demand products for the past few years...they know it and stick it to those who don't know what they are doing when buying a car OR simply don't care if they pay more than MSRP. I know a lot of car brokers and preferred customers will get first dibs on the Mini and avg. Joe consumer will have to either stand in line, pay extra from the dealer to be the "first on the block", pay a broker or do what I am going to do.....wait until the demand drops off!
    To some extent you can't fault BMW dealers, but I believe that what comes around goes around. Give BMW a couple of quarters without setting sales records and watch them squirm.
  • rickroverrickrover Posts: 602
    BMW has had many high demand cars in the past, lots of dealers stick it to thier customers (who don't seem to care) and BMW continually sets sales records regardless. Remember that most BMW buyers are not aveage Joes when it comes to income, want what they want and don't mind paying extra for it. I'm not one of those BMW customers, I've built a solid relationship with a couple of BMW dealers and don't pay above MSRP for any hot BMW.
    If you like BMW's an excellent way to get your first one is to buy a certified used BMW for several grand less than new, it comes with a 100k warranty built in. This is an excellent way to get started owning your first BMW. I've got to admit if I was looking at a Mini as my first BMW, I'd spend that $20K+ on a nice used two or three year old 3 series - way more car than the Mini.
  • I do have that relationship with many dealers due to nature of my job, but I am not going to call in favors in this situation. I was not saying that BMW would squirm or that they were concerned...they are putting out some great products. I was just merely stating that if things go downhill a lot of people would not feel to sorry for them.

    Personally, I would rather have a couple year old M coupe for the same money as the Cooper S. The car still intrigues me though. I will be in London next week and plan on at least test driving one...will report back as I mentioned earlier in the post.
  • that BMW USA dosen't make the mistake of gouging on the Mini. Initial enthusiasm is just that and leaving a bad taste in the mouths of prospective
    buyers of this untested car might seriously backfire if anything should go wrong with these cars. Honda has a good reputation among youthful
    buyers and has two highly competetive products launched (Acura RSX-S) and about to Launch (the new Civic Si). VW is powering up the new beetle to appeal to performance-oriented buyers. The old mini is a relatively rare entity in the USA
    with no track record at all except as a collector car. I would bet not many people will tolerate big markups in this economy. VW had a good headwind economically for its new Beetle launch, BMW will not.
  • If mini has the problems they had with the launch in UK (sparks at gas tank door) they could be in for a PR nightmare. People will still buy though! Look what happened to the X5...a couple of engine fires and people still bought. The new beetle turbo S has 180 hp with the tweaked 1.8t and you are right...a great alternative to the mini.
  • rezo00rezo00 Posts: 103
    but the beetle is still a pure girls car...
  • chem123chem123 Posts: 272
    Just reading this thread suffices for me, but I now have a couple of things to say:

    1) I admire your car dealing prowess (no joke).

    2) What class do you autox in and what mods have you done?
  • A used Mcoupe for price of Cooper S? That's about 10K less than the least expensive used Mcoupe I've come across. Please tell me how I can purchase a used Mcoupe for 20K. :)
  • I poked, probed, examined and sat in several Mini's yesterday. IMO, it looks better in person than it does in pictures. It was quite stunning. I found it quite roomy up front but very cramped in the back. Even stripped, the Cooper and Cooper S are nice but you can drop a lot of change on the options (bigger wheels, metallic paint, sunroof, leather, computer etc.). I like the layout of the dash but found it a bit plasticky - even the brake and clutch arms/pedals are molded plastic. I would seriously think about buying one once the demand drops and when a dealer is closer than 60 miles away. A very cool car.
  • thor8thor8 Posts: 303
    The Mini will always have a sweet spot in my heart, I first saw them in a road race overseas in the 60's and I could not believe how that little thing outran and out handled cars like mustangs and the like. Giggles at first from the crowd turned into respect at the end of the race.
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    I saw them at the Detroit show as well. Mixed reaction. The thing was extremely light and thin, started to make me do the blasphemous (on this board anyway) and wonder how well these things will actually sell. They're cute and probably a blast to drive, but they are light as a feather, will get mangled in an accident (laws of physics still apply), and are rather pricey. If you're going for a light, fun to drive $20k car that doesn't have a ton of room, why would you choose an unproven, boxy Mini over a convertible Miata that weighs the same, performs the same, is as fun to drive, costs the same but also has a convertible top?

    When sitting in the Mini I was thinking, "the Miata has already won over many of the buyers of this car."

    I guess we'll see how the thing holds up & how it sells a month or two after launch. I'm a bit skeptical. It's light, low on practicality, and by no means cheap. I'm sure they'll sell a bunch of copies in the first few months, but I'm not sure whether demand will continue to be strong in a nation in love with four-door sedans, flatbed pickup trucks and SUVs. Pricing will be key. $18k or $20k might sound cheap, but it really isn't when you start thinking about how little you have to pay for a sporty, fun to drive Ford Focus.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,210
    but I certainly wouldn't cross-shop a Mini and a Miata. By no means do I consider the Miata an everyday driver here in the northeast. The RWD, combined with the low weight, and the convertible top do nothing to make me want to take it out in the snow. And let's not forget that, although that back seat may be a little small in the Mini, it is still way more room than the Miata. And lets not get into performance until we can actually get some comparable numbers for the 2. I think the Mini S will blow the Miata away on the track.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    Yeah, but no "track" car ever sustained multiple years worth of good sales. It has to appeal to the regular joe.

    How will the Mini handle inclement weather? Probably better than a Miata, but I have a feeling it won't hold a candle to most compacts just due to the low curb weight and low traction alone. Most of the reasons you gave against the Miata actually also apply to the mini. Hence my concern. It's pretty impractical given what the MSRP is, and on top of that it's a lightweight box that will be dwarfed in size by most cars on the road. I just see a potential plymouth prowler effect here. Great reviews, fun to drive, wins all the accolates, but people decide to buy the Focus or Corolla instead, which offer 80% of the fun and 200% of the overall practicality and safety at 75% of the price.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,464
    Who gave the Prowler a good review besides the Plymouth Press Release?

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    I remember seeing it get quite a few around its introduction, the typical "Wow, this is so different, and different is better!" Plymouth treatment. The metaphor is a bit of a stretch, and not 100% accurate but the question still stands and the metaphor still does illustrate it. Why would someone buy a Mini Cooper when they could get a Focus that is heavier and roomier for $5k less?
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