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  • reitrofreitrof Posts: 122
    is 9.2. They tend to use normal shifting, not speed shifting so the time could be less.
  • thanx for ALL the info. been very helpful.
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    about 6 months ago I used the yellow touch paint to cover few small chips on the hood after washing the car and shaking the little bottle. Now the touch paint turns into orange and doesn't match any more well the original yellow color. Anyone experiences the same? What did I do wrong?

    Bruno
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,322
    Better let Mazda NA know.

    I notice the sunrise red on my sedan's touch-up paint doesn't match the baked-on paint from the factory.

    Since they're different formulations, it's pretty hard to hit an exact match. As you've witnessed, they will weather differently too, especially with exposure to UV radiation. UV inhibitors (basically, they either reflect or absorb UV light) can lessen this effect, but not eliminate it. You might try polishing those areas as the color change may be only "skin deep."
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    I first though the color change is due to contamination with chemistry in the air (C0, C02, humidity, ...) before the paint get completely dry, but UV rays are definitively a suspect.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,322
    I've had to remove and reapply touch-up paint after about 2 years. Small spots tend to pop out a small spot in the center. Larger areas develop a number of small cracks throughout.

    Just goes to show that no paint we can put on is nearly as tough as the paint they can bake-on at the plant.

    I'm sure that airborne contaminants figure into it as well. I'm just glad I don't work down-wind of a chemical plant. I bet those people get new cars more frequently due to the damage to the paint and exposed metal parts on them.
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    >>>I bet those people [who live down-wind of a chemical plant] get new cars more frequently due to the damage to the paint and exposed metal parts on them.<<<

    good point, especially if they don't wash and wax regularly the car.

    Bruno
  • iamziamz Posts: 542
    My touched up spots (yellow also) have not turned orange over time. The UV rays in Minnesota might not be as intense as you get down your way Bluong1. Aren't you in Texas?
  • iamziamz Posts: 542
    How easy is it to remove the front calipers on our P5s? One of my rotors is warped and I need to replace them.
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    Terry wrote: >>Aren't you in Texas?<<

    Right on!!! ;-)

    Bruno
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    Bellow is the old post from Finn who described how to remove the calipers for painting. Hope it helps.

    Bruno

    >>>praying the calipers is easy. You will have to jack the car up 4 times unless you can manage to get more than 1 wheel of the ground and get the car onto stands. Here is what I did:

    1) Loosen lugnuts on tire you are going to remove.
    2) Block opposite corner tire.
    3) Jack car up so the wheel is off the ground. I use a hydraulic jack and then I use the standard jack as a backup in case the hydraulic one were to fail (I don't have jack stands).
    4) Remove tire.
    5) Lay out some cardboard or plastic underneath the car to catch any drips.
    6) You can clean and sand the caliper if you want. Since the car was so new I just wiped the caliper down with damp paper towels and then dried it.
    6) Put some masking tape in the holes in the caliper (kind of a pain) and a little underneath the caliper where the disc is.
    7) Take a whole bunch of plastic bags (like the kind you get from the grocery store or trash bags) and tape them around the wheel well behind the caliper and just under the caliper (it should cover the whole disc). I put the bags all around the back of the caliper so they even covered the rubber portion on the rear of the caliper. Isolate that caliper as best as you can!
    8) Get close and apply the paint. Use short strokes carefully spraying so as not to create a cloud that blows all over. Be sure to work in a well ventilated area. After applying a coat I positioned a fan to blow on it. After it dried (usually <30 minutes) I'd then apply another coat or two filling in the parts that the paint doesn't fill as best I can (there will be these small parts).
    9) Once its dry and you are satisfied, Remove bags and tape and put the tire back on and repeat.

    The first time you drive the car just be careful in case you got any overspray on the brake disc itself. You really shouldn't have if you masked it well but any that you did have will come right off the first time you brake (just like the rust always does).

    I did two a night. The paint is easy to find and should be at most autostores. I don't remember the name right now but its in a silver can, is 500 degree resistant and comes in a wide range of colors. I think the red I just applied was Ford Red (ha!). It was a close match to the strut tower brace. I applied a more crimson like Universal Red to my 1991 Toyota Mr2 Turbo like 3 years ago and it still looks great to this day, even with infrequent autox'ing which heats the brakes up.
    -Finn<<<
  • iamziamz Posts: 542
    ....but it looks like Finn never actually removed the calipers. In any case I pulled the calipers off myself just now. Very easy. You just remove 2 17 mm bolts.

    So my next question is; Is the rotor held on by rust, or do I need to remove the axle nut? I couldn't tell where the rotor ends, and the hub begins, because of the rust.
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    Just rust. Only the lug nuts hold the rotor on but you need to remove the caliper before you can remove the rotor.
  • iamziamz Posts: 542
    That's the answer I was hoping for. :)
  • mnkyboymnkyboy Posts: 108
    Its that easy to remove the calipers? Just (2) bolts? I thought it was attached to other components. I want to paint my calipers, but I was thinking about just painting them with a brush. If all I have to do is take the calipers off with (2) bolts, i guess ill do that. Is there a certain way you have to put them back on? What should I be careful for when removing the calipers?
  • thelthel Posts: 767
    Local Mazda dealer has a used P5. Silver, AT, moonroof, polished wheels. Don't know the miles but it appears to be in great condition, no paint chips or anything in the front fascia. Does an offer of $13,000 sound in the ball park? Any dealers out there?

    On a semi-related note. Does anyone know what the current incentives are on the 2002 Protege sedans. The Mazda website says 0% for 48 months for the 2003's but doesn't say anything about the 02's. The local dealer has a seabreeze green one with a moonroof and spoiler that looks pretty sharp.
  • shriqueshrique Posts: 338
    Anybody have bad experiences with the service department at Morries Mazda in MN? They recently had my car for warranty work and managed to take a big gouge out of my airdam in the process. The service manager basically told me that I was lying to him and that He wouldn't give me a loaner but would fix the car.

    I'm going to post this in the Protege board as well.
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    You can offer anything you want but I think your number is low...I tried buying two P5's with sport shift, moonroof, chrome wheels and 6500 miles yesterday and they turned down $14K at the auction...remember, that does not include the dealer mark up.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,322
    Sorry about your air dam. Make sure they do a decent job fixing it up.

    You can always write the dealership's customer service manager a note.

    They're fixing the problem they caused. Too bad they're not going the extra step to minimize your inconvenience.
  • thelthel Posts: 767
    For that money I would think it would be better to buy a new one and get the 0% financing. They don't sell many of them around here. The local dealer still has some pre-refresh relics on the lot in colors I don't want.

    Audia8q, do you know what, if any incentives are available for the '02 Protege sedans?
  • waydewayde Posts: 198
    Has a $2,000 rebate to dealer... My best friend just bought a 2002 ES sedan (white)... and I have a white P5. So, now we kinda have matching cars. Funny to get into hers and feel like I'm in mine :)
    FYI - the rebate to dealer is not advertised - my salesman told us about it (he's great... Morries Mazda in Mpls, his name is Pete).
  • thelthel Posts: 767
    I was looking at an 02 off the lot with an invoice price of say $15,000 would it be possible to get it for $13,000 AND get the 0% or is 0% not offered on the 02's at all? Thanks!
  • iamziamz Posts: 542
    I'm going to paint my calipers also when I put the new rotors on.

    The only thing difficult was that the brake line interfered with the upper bolt when trying to fit the socket wrench over it. I had to use a little WD-40 to loosen the bolts (watch your knuckles ;).
    Your going to want to have some way of hanging the caliper once the bolts are out so you don't end up damaging your brake line (coat hanger wire might work). Crank the steering all the way to the left for better access to the drivers side caliper before jacking up the car. Crank your steering to the right for the passenger side.

    When you put everything back together make sure you clean any debris off the smooth mating surfaces of the caliper and mount.

    Good luck.
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    THEL...

    There is NO zero percent financing on 2002. It was discontinued on 10/14/02...You waited too long!!!

    The program now offers $2000 customer cash as Wayde mentioned.

    Rich
  • thelthel Posts: 767
    Its not about waiting and waiting for the grass to get greener. I've been considering a 3rd vehicle for about 5 days now. I'm not even sure I want a sedan. I was just curious as to what was being offered on 02's to get rid of them.
  • reitrofreitrof Posts: 122
    Anybody know of an accessory for the 00-02 Proteges for a rear cup holder that attaches to the end of the center console?

    Thanks
    Bruce
  • ashutoshsmashutoshsm Posts: 1,007
    Look aftermarket, or see if (using 'other' protege info sources) you can hunt down this Japanese website that sold just such an accessory - although after conversion, it costs something like USD300!
  • Is anyone else experiencing an engine knock or rattle at about 2300 rpm, when you first start out in the morning, even in warm weather?
    The dealer tells me that they are aware of this problem, but it isn't hurting anything.
    I believe when you hear a metallic knock, things are going wrong.
    I am also experiencing a problem when you start out. The transmission acts like you are starting in second gear. It used to snap your neck when you punched it from a light, but now it is starting one gear up. The dealer tells me that we have a learning transmission. Sounds like bull to me!
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Posts: 2,405
    They have them here in Canada. Goto www.protegeclub.com..there's info there on them, including price.
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Posts: 2,405
    Sounds like you have the death rattle...it has to do w/ the VTCS or something like that....to reduce emissions at startup.
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