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Acura RSX (All years/types)

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  • eggparmeggparm Posts: 14
    GS-R, yes; Type R, no. I test drove the GS-R before I decided to buy my 95 Prelude 6 years ago. I did not struggle between these two cars 'cos the differences were very clear. In a simple fast cornering test, in Integra I felt the car was pulled by the front end real hard at turn in, while in Prelude the car felt more balanced, stable, and quicker with less body lean and apparently less understeer (the car moved and FELT LIKE, I repeat, FELT LIKE a rear-drive, and my Type SH is even better!!!). The Type R sure got more muscle but it still rides on Civic's chassis. I am not saying Integra or RSX is bad but in reality they are just not as sophisicated as Prelude in the handling department. You know both are Honda cars and I speak for nobody.
  • chem123chem123 Posts: 272
    but the Type R rides on a Civic chassis? You didn't really mean to say that, did you?
  • fxashunfxashun Posts: 747
    They're the same car.
  • chem123chem123 Posts: 272
    The Honda Civic and Acura Integra Type R are the same car?
  • fxashunfxashun Posts: 747
    the civic and integra share the same basic chassis. The new Civic and RSX also share the same platform.
  • I test drove an RSX 6 speed and both impressed and a bit disappointed. First of all I am a 53 year old who still drives manual transmission cars. I'm not the fat guy in the Lincoln Navigator. I think the manual transmission on the RSX is one of the best I've ever tried. Smooth, low effort and precise. I only wish that other manufacturer's (including BMW) would either learn Honda/Acuras secrets or pay as much attention to design as they do. I also thought the handling was excellent and I love the hatchback. It makes a small car so much more useful (better use of space). Two characteristics disapoint me. No. 1. Whats with the 13 gallon gas tank? I think this may be the smallest gas tank on any current car sold in the USA (except for the hybrids). Even with over 30 mpg the cruising distance on this car is too short for my tastes. Its very inconvienent to have to search for gas stations on a long trip too much. No. 2 (and this is related). Why can't 6th gear be taller? Its generally not needed for strong accleration (downshift to 5th dummy). And 3000 rpm at 65 mph gets pretty old after a few hours. Lets use some common sense with gear ratios and stop catering to the auto mags and boy racers for good press and word of mouth. Some people drive manuals because they want a good sports touring machine, not a just a hot rod always at high rpm.

    One man's opinion.
  • diploiddiploid Posts: 2,286
    Over in the WRX vs. RSX forum, they're comparing acceleration times for the Type S with the WRX.

    What are they expecting? That a 200hp FWD car should actually be faster than an AWD car with 227hp turbo?
  • beowulf7beowulf7 Posts: 290
    That's very disappointing to hear that the RSX-S's 6th gear is still at a high RPM like the Integra's 5th gear. I thought the 6th gear was supposed to bring the RPM down another notch (at least 400-500 RPM). I'm @ 3500 RPM doing 75 MPH on the highway in my Integra. joe&carol2 is right, that on a long trip on the highway, it can get annoying (that is, if the loud road noise doesn't annoy you first!).

    I agree with joe...2 completely. If you want to accelerate, drop it down a gear or 2 and become rev-happy. But if you want a pleasant, quiet, non-speeding-ticket-inducing cruise, the top gear should keep the car quiet. Does anyone know how the Celica GTS' and M-B C230 6th gears sound & RPM at when doing 70-75 compared to the RSX-S' top gear?
  • kartezkartez Posts: 48
    I accept a lot of other manufacturers can learn a lot from Honda. Just wondering, what do you think BMW should learn from Honda? I always thought BMW transmissions are pretty good (I assume you were talking about transmissions).

    On other issues of design and manufacturing of large scale production cars, I think the German manufacturers are better than most other Japanese brands including Honda (at least on most of the issues like interior and exterior design, ergonomics, luxury, build quality, use of materials). On top of all these, most of the cars are fun to drive . Only areas I think the Germans are behind Honda are long term reliability and price. (Note: my definitions: build quality - Proper installation of components, tighter gaps between panels etc. Reliability - probability that a car or its components will not experience a breakdown, mechanical or otherwise, over a period of time. )

    May be I am partial to German cars. Would you please elaborate on what you think other manufacturers should learn from Honda?

    I agree with you 100% on hatchbacks.
  • I have also driven the Celica GT-s and the MB C230. The Celica is very much like the RSX. At 3000 RPM you are going about 66-67 mph (again they are not making good use of 6th gear in my estimation). The C230 is much different (which i give them huge credit for). Maybe its the autobahn influence. At 3000 rpm in 6th you are going between 75 and 80. I check this characteristic for all cars I test drive. Write your local congressman (err car manufacturer) if you think my view point is correct.
    Now on a note of frustration with car shopping in general. The C230 gearing is much to my liking but both the RSX and Celica (yes its very good) have much better shifting and clutches.
    The C230 clutch engages like an on/off switch. Makes it difficult to down shift smoothy. And no, all you boy racers, it should not take all your concentration to match revs or double clutch to do this on a routine basis in a supposidly refined automoble.
  • Well BMW is a wonderful engineering company. But honda seems to take a more balanced approach. Especially in ergonomics. All most all people who buy Acuras or BMWs in the long run will care more about the ergonomics than the next tenth of a second in 0-60 time. Honda and Acura manual transmissions are light effort, precise and easy to both downshift and upshift in a smooth enjoyable manner on a windy country road. BMW is very good also but not quite as good. They emphasize ultimate performance (I guess speed of shifts) a bit more. Most people will never use that. And Honda and Acura get within (I'm just intuitively guessing here) 90 - 95% as good in a more enjoyable fashion.
    In my earlier post I was not trying to blast BMW. I was trying to blast Nissan, Toyota (all except the Celica), MB and Audi. All of whom could learn something from Honda in the manual tranmission category. Makes me wonder if their engineers test drive other manufacturer's models to see what is possible.? Or are they only concerned about their automatic customers.? I'll get off the soapbox now. :)
  • chem123chem123 Posts: 272
    I'll have to go check on it but I think that 6th gear in the RSX-S is the same as 5th in the RSX. The rations, I think, are closer from 1-2-3 in the Type S for better acceleration. Please correct me if wrong.
  • Yes thats correct. Top gear is the same for both the 5 and 6 speed (and same rear end ratio). One point I am trying to make is that Acura did not take the opportunity to make 6th gear a bit taller. I of course would even like the 5th gear on the 5 speed to be taller.
  • diploiddiploid Posts: 2,286
    I've never owned a German car because they're always expensive when cross-shopped with the Japanese makes. And maybe it's because those cars were designed for Europe's taste, but I really don't like the boxy looks on some of the cars (I know, they're roomier that way). I prefer the sleek, sharp angles and creases of the Japanese cars and even some American cars.
  • fxashunfxashun Posts: 747
    Have never been lauded for ergonomics. Maybe design and looks but all those look alike buttons with strange pictures on them have never been called great ergonomics.
  • beowulf7beowulf7 Posts: 290
    For the first time a couple days ago. Unfortunately, it was making a turn at an intersection where I was stopped. And there was a slow-[non-permissible content removed] car in front of me, so I didn't get a good look (Type S or not). But from what I saw of it as it made a turned and I passed it, it had a decent appearance. It probably looks better in person than in the mags and Web. The tail lights are distinctive (that's what drew my attention to it).

    Now I've got to test drive it. I need patience since I still have about 9 months to go on my current lease. I wonder what this message board will be up to by next May in terms of the cumulative messages posted.
  • kartezkartez Posts: 48
    Apparently, everyone thinks of switchgear when somebody mentions ergonomics. But its much more than than that.

    Most important aspects of ergonomics are the seat and steering wheel position. Germans are masters when it comes to this. Doors also play a part in ergonomics. And when I mean ergonomics, I mean both the driver and passenger ergonomics. I will accept that Honda's (Japanese in general) have simple and functional switchgear design although the switchgear of Integra was not upto usual Honda standard. I also found Integra wanting when it came to seating for driver and passenger. While its good to have floor level seating in terms of driving dynamics, I hated it when I sprained my lower back. Even before I sprained my back I could not sit in the seats for long during long trips. I just hope the RSX has better seating.

    fxashun - My friends that drive Benzes and BMWs have never complained about confusing switchgear in their cars. They say it took them time to learn the features. But once they learned it they say they never had a problem with the controls.
  • fxashunfxashun Posts: 747
    I guess if I paid all that money for initial cost, upkeep, insurance, and actual $ in depreciation I wouldn't complain either. Most Hondas and Toyotas don't need 2 or 3 manuals to read before you can even change the temperature setting on the climate control. And most models of Hondas have been lauded for not only the "feel" of the switches but also the placement and ability to use them without a Ph.D. and the driving position is great too. I'm not saying every Honda is perfect but then again not every German car is either.
    The interior of a 3 series Bimmer does not fit my 6'6" frame as well as a Civic but to others it fits like a glove. And the seat to wheel to controls position is like a trademark nearly all Hondas share. Accord, Civic, Prelude all "drive like Hondas". I don't fit the S2000 but I also don't fit the Z3 very well either. The interior of the Z3 does not look or feel like the $30k vehicle it is in. And the interior of the 5 series LOOKS great but when I drove it I had to pull out the manual to figure out what the bank of look alike buttons did. It's not intuitive or logical in thier placement.
  • kartezkartez Posts: 48
    My experience with Honda products is limited to Civic, Accord, TL and Integra. The Integra was a 94 model and both the seating position and steering wheel position were not the best IMO. But it was much better than the other Honda models. Having said that, the switches in Civic, Accord and TL were much easier to use than the Integra. While some may say this is just my opinion, it applies to what you say as well. So let us just call this as limitations of the user and not turn this into a German vs Japanese forum.
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