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Acura RSX (All years/types)

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  • only1harryonly1harry Posts: 1,136
    Did Autoweek or SCC do any real tests on the RSX? did they post any performance #s?
    I don't know if I 'd want a 4cyl. 200hp car to be quiet. I like the noise my GSR makes and I like it even better after I put a Cold Air Intake in it. Makes VTEC much more noticeable and sounds like a Type-R at 6K RPM and up. Quiet to me translates into boring. If it were a V6 or flat 6, or V8, yes by all means it should be a lot more quiet. I guess Honda should be congratulated by making a high output naturally aspirated 200hp 4cyl. motor stay quiet under hard acceleration but I don't know if I 'd like that. This on the other hand most likely means that the Intake and exhaust are restrictive and with some aftermarket parts you can make the car scream and get some decent power gains. I'm sure it has lower compression too although I don't know any of the specs, which means it should be a good candidate for a blower. Current GSR can only take a small turbo or small boost without doing anything to the motor (with a worked motor the GSR motor is capable of up to 600+whp with 30lbs of boost). Most GSR owners with a decent turbo and boost (12-24lbs) usually have done major head work and even replaced the pistons on top of ignition, fuel pump, VAFC, etc. It would be nice to throw a decent size turbo on the RSX without having to spend an extra $4-5K on the motor. We 'll see. This is one nice thing the RSX has going for it. A good base HP and I bet is a good candidate to be blown for those who drag race or do track events. Take the Turbo out of the WRX and what do you have left? A 3,000lb car with 160-170hp maybe? Add a turbo to a current stock GSR with only 5-6lbs of boost and you 'll get about 220whp (about 260bhp). Bye bye WRX. So make no mistake about it. If you compare the 2 cars on equal ground (both turbocharged), even the current GSR will take a WRX with a small cheap turbo and you 'll still have money left over.
    It is by no means a great feat for Honda to produce a quiet n/a 200hp 2.0L motor as is the 195hp 1.8L ITR (but not so quiet). So if you examine both RSX & WRX carefully, you 'll see that they 're quiet different. One has good power by means of turbo with AWD but is of modest quality to keep price down, and the other is of higher technological achievement but with a little less power and more luxury and quality materials. Maybe that's the way we should look at them. I could be wrong but how else do you explain the price of the WRX (kind of low) and that of the RSX (if it's high)? Shouldn't the phrase "you get what you pay for" apply here?
  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    Amen, Brother! Acura has lowered the redline on the Type S (7900rpm vs 8000rpm on the GS-R). I was hoping that the Type S would rev to at least 8400rpm (like the Type R). The fact that you have to keep the pot boiling in the GS-R to get power is one of the things I really love about the car.

    As for aftermarket turbos, throw a $3000 turbo on a WRX, and you're talking about ~350bhp. The big problem with forced induction on a front-driver like an Integra/RSX is getting the power to the ground.

    I need to make a correction to the numbers I posted regarding interior noise levels of the WRX and MB C-Class at 70mph. Those numbers were the measurements taken durring full-throttle acceleration. The 70mph cruising number for the WRX is actually 73dB. Sorry for the error.
  • ranaldranald Posts: 147
    About the Z28, my point exactly.

    The Integra interior is very dated, but IMO the
    WRX is not much of an improvement. I didn't care
    for it when I was in the car, to me it looks
    really cheap. Again, IMO the RSX interior is
    attractively understated, almost elegant.

    And no, I am not aware of Subaru being renowned
    for reliability, longetivity or build quality.
    In fact, from everything I've read and heard, and
    from the one Subaru in the family, compared to
    Honda or Toyota they are downright cheap and
    shoddy and require fairly frequent and extremely
    expensive repairs.
  • only1harryonly1harry Posts: 1,136
    Yeah, I read that too about the Subaru reliability, built quality and all that so I went to JD Powers & Associates to see how they rate the Subarus reliability and you 're pretty much right on the money. They don't come close to the Hondas, Acuras or Toyotas. Acura (TL/RL) is way up there with the Big boys, Lexus, Infinity, etc. The Integra is not too far behind. I think it was 20 or 30something out of 180 models. Subarus were in the middle or below! To my surprise VWs were way down there, almost last with the Chevys and the like!
  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    Ok, so we've got different ptiorities when evaluating cars. Cool by me. The fact that I put less of an emphasis on interior/exterior styling and am more concerned with performance and function-over-form probably stems from the fact that I only keep my daily drivers for less than 3 years/250,000 miles. Even though I'm in the car 8-10 hours a day (certainly long enough to appreciate a more thoughtful interior design), for me it ultimately comes down to the driving experience. And a really comfortable seat.

    I suppose that I should have qualified who in particular find Subarus rewarding to own: their owners. It's a case of one liking what one likes (enough to buy it.) No suprise there. I must impart, however, that my 2.5RS is proving to be more reliable than the '98 Civic DX hatch that it replaced. In less than one year, the Civic suffered a split along one of the seams of its plastic(!) radiator (causing a total coolant loss), a failed Honda CD player, many interior rattles & buzzes, and 3 interior trim pieces that broke in normal use. In 10 months of owning the Subaru, I have experienced ZERO problems.

    Proof enough for me.
  • ranaldranald Posts: 147
    only1harry: I never did check JD Power, but I read
    magazines, hang out on car sites, and listen to
    brother-in-law the Subaru driver. Subaru may not
    be on a par with Honda or Toyota, but they're no
    Chrysler. And I hear they're better than
    Mitsubishi. :)

    himiler: You're right, of course it's all subjective. I guess it's too hard to resist the
    urge to butt in with "if you're sensible (i.e.
    you value the same things I do, heh) you should
    buy ". :)
  • only1harryonly1harry Posts: 1,136
    I 'm surprised to hear that about your '98 Civic DX. My '97 DX has now 131k mi. and I haven't had a single problem. Have only replaced front brake pads and done 1 minor tune-up (my self) at 80k mi. That consisted of plugs, wires, distr. cap & rotor, air filter. Oh and of course the timing belt at 91k mi. & fresh cooland at the same time. The rear pads are still the factory ones as is everything else on the car! Plan to replace some more fluids like brake and Manual tranny fluid and will probaly replace the rotors very soon. This stuff is all maintenance and very minor in my opinion considering I drive the car hard, it's been through a lot of bad weather, and was in a major accident at 40k mi. where I drove (an 11 other ones) over a truck's axle in the middle of the highway and the car went airborne with air bags in my face and all. $5k worth of damage, comprised of mostly suspension, airbags, windshield, etc.
    The motor doesn't burn a drop of oil and sometimes I go 4,000mi. before changing it again. The factory battery is still in it.
    My GSR is not quiet up there but with 25k mi. on the odo and racing it religiously for 7 mos out of the year (real racing, not street racing) it hasn't presented any problems. It is a dedicated weekend race car now and just this weekend I destroyed a WRX which by the way was my 2nd one so far this season out of 2 that I 've encountered auto-x racing with me. Everyone at both racing events was also saying that there was way too much hype about this car and noone was impressed with it like when the Type-R came out or other cars.. It just didn't look good out there on the course. The WRX had way too much body roll, its tires were squealing like crazy and it just couldn't tackle the course with speed and agility and lost traction too easily. And don't believe the commercials you see on TV where they show the WRX going like 100mph through some country roads. That car is probably the Japanese version and most likely has race tires on and upgraded suspension. Come out to the local races and see your great WRX get humiliated by cars that cost less. Don't get me wrong. No doubt it's a fine car but it's not what people have pumped it up to be which is like a super car. It's not.
  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    Impressive driving on your part, I'm sure, but I'm not interested in racing a WRX--I'll be busy making money with mine (if I even buy one). Besides, at 3200lbs. the WRX needs to go on a major diet before it'll be competitive with hard-nosed club racers.

    You might want to keep a watch out for the STi version, though, when it arrives in 2002.

    Since this is the RSX forum, I thought somebody might be interested to learn that my local dealer says that they are "frustrated" by the lack of marketing support from Acura. He said that there has been significant interest in the car (due to auto mags), but he's only able to take phone numbers from potential buyers. Word-of-mouth on the car is positve, but people are surprised that there is no factory literature available yet, and none is expected until mid-June. In the meantime, he said that he's "concerned" about losing sales.

    Bummer for Acura.
  • s852s852 Posts: 1,051
    There is no center console armrest on the new RSX. I wonder if it will be available as a dealer-installed option?
    The lack of center armrest is going to turn off many buyers.
  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    I also quized dealer re: armrest. He said he had no idea what accessories will be avail., because he has heard NOTHING from the factory.

    Doesn't that just give you a warm feeling all over?
  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    Thanks for the link, I heard this on the radio today. I'm not sure, however, that these higher rates will immediately carry over from the Integra. There aren't going to be many powertrain items from the RSX that will "drop in" on the previous generation Civic(s), now that the engine spins in the opposite direction. Also, the RSX wheels are 5-lug, which will make them somewhat less desirable to the rippers.

    Of course, it'll only be a matter of time before the new Civic is the tuner's platform of choice, and then the RSX will be a greater target yet again.

    TT my dealer again today. Acura is bringing all their sales/service people to a big RSX introduction in early June. I think he said it was going to be held in Texas. He just rec'd the announcement this AM. There are now some 1-page pamphlets at the dealers, but there's still far more info available on the Web.
  • only1harryonly1harry Posts: 1,136
    Well I read that one of Acura's goals were to reduce theft of the RSX since it is really bad with the Integra (#1 stolen car in the country). The word is that the RSX motor will not fit in current g7 Civics. The motor mounts are not located in the same place. I assume '02 Civic Si (160hp) motor may have similar motor mount settings as all other g7 Civics, don't know, but they 're supposed to be different than g6 & g5 Civics. Then again '99-00 Si's didn't have nearly the theft problem g3 Integras have, although you can drop in a '99-00 Si motor in any Civic from '92+ with no problem. The theft rate on Integras was 2.2% in '00 and I 've read that the Type-R has contributed a lot to that # in the last 2-3 yrs with almost 1 out 10 Type-Rs being stolen or broken into. GSR is similarly high. If it weren't for the LS & GS thefts, and they only sold GSRs & Type-Rs, I think that perecentage would be over 5% because GSRs make up only 1/7th of all Integras.
  • pocahontaspocahontas Posts: 802
    "A New Name for an Old Flame"


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    Heres Edmunds.coms First Look of the Acura RSX, by Erin Mahoney. What do you think?


    Thanks for your comments. ;-)


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  • only1harryonly1harry Posts: 1,136
    This is old news.. This information came out 3 mos ago. I guess Edmunds just took a "first look" at the RSX at the auto show in NYC just like every one there..
  • ranaldranald Posts: 147
    Indeed this is all old, generic information.
    The comments are generally favorable, though, except for the (IMO unjustified) digs at the styling. So the RSX is not tacky, trendy or flashy, get over it. (The looks of the current gen Celica will not age any more gracefully than the previous gen's 'porpoise' look.)

    The only comments on the front suspension are that it saves space (true, and nice to point out), that it's not as easy to modify as the old double wishbones (true, it couldn't be *easier*), and that it might not appeal as much to the 'youth market' (true cause it's a little harder to slam the car). All fair.

    Overall while this is nothing new it's good to see the publicity. I think more people read Edmund's than the specialist Honda-Acura sites.
  • only1harryonly1harry Posts: 1,136
    but if you visit the "specilized" Honda/Acura forums on the web you 'll see thousands of posts a day on each one (and there are dozens of them) by hundreds of people. Although I can't answer if more Honda/Acura owners read Edmunds than those other forums, Edmunds sure doesn't get anywhere near the amount of posts on the Honda/Acura topics. I mean if you get 3-4 posts a day on the Civic or Integra (both hatchbacks and sports coupes forums) forums, it's a lot. On the other forums you get hundreds of posts on just one model. Times that by about 10 Honda & Acura models and you get some very heavy traffic. So it's either that Honda & Acura owners/prospects don't postk/participate on Edmunds and just read, or Edmunds does not have the # of people or Honda/Acura enthousiasts reading their forum that the "others" have.
  • occupant1occupant1 Posts: 408
    This new car will lose a lot of sales immediately because there is no longer a sedan. A TL sedan starts at $29K. The Integra sedan could be had for as little as $20K. Acura should have thought about that. If they're smart, they'll bring over the 1.7EL sedan which is a premium Civic sedan, which is all the original 1986 Integra was, an athletic 1.8 liter Civic. If my wife ever wrecks her blue automatic '98 LS hatchback, she'll be replacing it with a blue 5-speed '98-'00 GS sedan. Especially since we can't afford to go with a TL unless it's older.
  • ejonavinejonavin Posts: 36
    So what IS Acura's plan for the sedan? They won't have a compact sedan model in the U.S. once the Integra is gone.
  • boomn29boomn29 Posts: 189
    Maybe Acura doesn't care about that market anymore...
    Since they are owned by Honda, maybe Honda decided they did not the competition and they the Accord and Civic and doing well enough???

    Just an idea.
  • ranaldranald Posts: 147
    Reminds me of something I read somewhere, and that seems to make sense to me, that demand for a premium-priced subcompact sedan is understandably scarce.

    IIRC, Integra sedans only made up about 10% of sales.
  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    Don't be shocked to see a RWD sedan with displacement in the 2.0 to 2.5L range by MY 2003--Acura isn't going to just sit by and watch the IS300 eat into 3-Series sales. There has been rampant speculation and even some in-house design concepts for such a car, which (it is assumed) will use many drivetrain components from the S2000. Now that BMW is tooling-up for the new 1-Series, a new Acura compact sedan might get a big boost from pent-up demand in the market.
  • ejonavinejonavin Posts: 36
    Not everyone wants a larger car or a coupe, but we might want all the luxury goodies.

    For now, I'll just be happy with my Acura EL (Canada's replacement for the Integra sedan since 1997), but it really need some more juice like the RSX.
  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    I don't think that Acura would do somthing like this. They're obviously too concerned with boosting their corporate image right now, and bringing the EL to the US with a hotter set-up might be perceived as "watering down" the brand, even though the damn thing would probably be a hit. The brand definately needs a small 4-door.

    There is now more info about the RSX available thru www.acura.com Not much in the way of specs, mostly pics and market-speak.
  • ecarmackecarmack Posts: 161
    Not to belabor the point, but to me the pictures of the RSX resemble a Cavalier. Perhaps it will look more distinguished in person. And yes, although Honda/Acura styling tends to be on the conservative side, most of the styles do age well.
  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    Yeah, depressing, isn't it? Right down to the point on the car's nose.
  • qin2qin2 Posts: 26
    The exterior styling I think is pretty terrible:

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    But the interior is one of the best I've ever seen:

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    So I can't decide whether I like it or not, guess the price will be what matters.
  • ranaldranald Posts: 147
    A little but not really, it's just the general size and shape that are similar.

    I don't think the RSX is beautiful (the propertions are a little off, hood too short, etc) but it has clean, classy lines.

    The Cavalier has gentle curves that don't fit together right. The overall effect makes me think of a flabby person whose [non-permissible content removed] is a bit too big. :)
  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    That profile shot sure does make it look like an egg, but the rear view shows a much tighter tail than the Cavalier's. Damn! That graphite finish on the wheels looks nice--I hadn't seen that yet.

    The dash is much higher than the current car's.

    Too bad there are no aluminum pedal covers.
  • sunilbsunilb Posts: 407
    yeah, that interior is awesome! It looks very clean and appealing.
    The exterior is questionable for sure. I imagine the performance will be quite strong.... but I just think $24K (which is what I've heard the Type-S is going to be around) is too much for this car.
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