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Tacoma 4x4 or T100 4x4

ToddpToddp Posts: 4
edited March 1 in Toyota
I currently own a 90 4-runner that i have been
really happy with. but i found out that the
tacoma is built in the U.S. and I am concerned
with american quality. Since all of the G.M.
vehicles I have owned have been lemons(88 4wd
surbaban,87 firebird) The suburban after 1 year
the paint on the roof dissolved. G.M's answer
we are not responsible!!!. Needless Too say after
Litigation They did a half-a-- Job and also stole
my spare and jack. There answer was read the sign
in the shop. We are not responsible for any items
left in the vehicle. I promised that i would walk
before i ever purchased a G.M. vehicle again.
i understand that the T-100 is built in japan and
shipped as a whole unit. any Comments Would be
greatly appreciated. The reason For 4x4 is moving
too the north were i might need the extra
traction.

Thanks
Todd Pierce
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Comments

  • fredwoodfredwood Posts: 79
    Hey Todd,

    I purchased a toyota camry for my wife and I made sure that it was made in japan, since some of them were made in the states too. Well, our japan manufactured camry is a piece of crap. While not a full fledged lemon it certainly has not lived up to supposed toyota quality. My chevy truck on the other hand has been awesum. I guess it boils down to expectations.
  • BrutusBrutus Posts: 1,113
    I don't think it matters where the vehicle is constructed from a quality perspective. The infrastructure of the company will be the same. It's not like the American guy standing on the assembly line in the US will do poorer work than the Japanese guy on the assembly line in Japan will do. The knock against American quality has been the design of the vehicles, not the effort or ethnicity of the worker on the line. It's not that the worker forgot to put that extra bolt on the car. It's that the engineer forgot to create a design that included the bolt.
  • rite3rite3 Posts: 69
    I would go with the tacoma, BRUTUS is right, trust in the toyota engineering and quality control nomatter where the plant is built. I have a 90 4x4 and we bought a sienna thats made at the new plant in Kentucky. Both are good vehicles and I have no complaints. The tacoma will cost about 20k loaded up nicely, 4x4 xcab v6 sr5, a comparable t100 will run close to 26k. Its just not worth it. The t100 going out of production soon and will be replaced by the t150. The tacoma won 4wheelers truck of the year award. You can see the article online at www.fourwheeler.com. Good luck. Oh yeah, I almost forgot, for 26k you can get a loaded F150, although I see youve been ruined by GM, go take a look at the new F150. At least take the time, if you havent already, to check the new ones out. You might like what you see.
  • BrutusBrutus Posts: 1,113
    I didn't exactly say to trust Toyota engineering. I was just saying that the quality factor is company based, regardless of where the truck is built. As you know from my other posts, I'm a full size pickup owner. Toyota is not a player in that market, and I doubt they ever will be. But I reserve the right to eat my words.
  • GischpelGischpel Posts: 133
    Todd,

    You didn't mention how you plan to use the truck and how many people you regularly carry.

    Obviously, one consideration is payload. The T-100 is considerably bigger than the Tacoma, but still not a Ford, Dodge or Chevy. A T-150 with a third (and fourth) door might be nice as my kids grow, but for now the Tacoma is plenty enough for a commuter/weekend do-it-yourselfer truck.

    Also, a third door is not an option on either Toyota, so you may want to think about that if looking at extended cabs and/or carrying more than you and another person. An extended cab may also be a thought just because of keeping stuff safe and warm especially as you move north.

    I have a 98 Tacoma Extra Cab 4x4 with the 4 cylinder and am really pleased. The V6 would be nice, but I can't afford the tickets all the extra horses would surely bring me. Good luck.
  • BrutusBrutus Posts: 1,113
    The extra cab is worth every penny. I've owned a regular cab for the last six years. Unless you put a shell on it or Tonneau on it, you have to protect yours stuff from the elements on long trips with tarps. I think you'll find the extra storage in an extended cab to be worth the money even if you don't carry a lot of passengers.
  • 34363436 Posts: 25
    TO TODD PIERCE, I HAD A T100 MADE IN JAPAN IT WAS A JUNK THE WHEEL BASE WAS OFF BY 3/8 OFF INCH AND IT HAD A VIBRATION THAT TOYOTA COULD OR WOULD NOT FIX I DID GET MY MONEY BACK IN ARBITRATION SO I WOULD THINK HARD ABOUT BUYING ONE.
  • SycloneSyclone Posts: 1
    I have a 1989 Toyota extra cab pickup and it has been great for me. Although the four cylinder suffers a lack of horsepower, it lasts forever. I currently have 138,000 trouble free miles. Toyota has earned my trust and respect. Id go for the V6 extra cab Tacoma. It sounds like a great truck.
  • rickroverrickrover Posts: 602
    As the owner (leaser?) of a loaded 96 Tacoma 4x4 I am no longer impressed with Toyota quality. It goes off lease this December and I can't wait to give it back. Probably going to Ford full size next time. Tacomas are cheaply made expensive pieces of crap.
  • armadilloarmadillo Posts: 14
    Hi, rickrover.
    I have a buddy who just put in an order for the new Tacoma TRD 4x4. He test drove one, and seems to think it's pretty neat. He currently leases the same truck you do. I have my misgivings, but I have no experience with this truck. Can you fill me in on the things you don't like about it? Thanks!
  • I've got a 97 2WD T100. Can't talk to the 4WD issues, but I think that it is an excellent truck overall. V6 engine is very strong (same one in Tacoma and 4Runner) and ride is very civilized and quiet. Only problem I've seen in 14000 miles is the weatherstrip at top of windshield is loose. Only complaint is that the seat belt doesn't retract fully and gets caught in the door jamb. I can live with that. I'd buy another if the price was right. I like the feeling of quality that this truck gives me.
  • JDIAZJDIAZ Posts: 23
    bobaquino.....

    I have a 98 T100 4wd and I do too have that same
    problem with that darn seat belt. I suppose since
    mine is still under warranty I should have then
    take a look at it....As far as the ride..I'm very
    satisfied.

    jd
  • rickroverrickrover Posts: 602
    hey armadillo,

    I also have the seat belt problem with hanging out the door, not retracting ( the least of the problems) I have had problems with the trasmission (5 speed) whining, the dealer replaced the throw out bearing and it is doing it again. For some reason the horn has had problems working (problem is always in the steering wheel) and some suspension bushings have been replaced to quiet a loud clunking noise. The engine check light comes on now and then and sometimes has a slightly rough idle (they have not figured that out). The center console has broken loose a couple of times. I would think the newer ones have been improved.
  • BrutusBrutus Posts: 1,113
    The engine check light and rough idle could be as basic as a loose or damaged hose.

    I had a problem with the steering column of a motor home I was driving about 15 years ago. It kept blowing a fuse at night. The fuse was for my headlights, and it only happened when I was driving. Turns out that the way I liked to adjust the tilt steering wheel somehow managed to pinch a wire and blow the fuse.
  • eolaeola Posts: 1
    I have a 95 Tacoma extended cab. The ride is horrible and always has been. Worse yet, the head gasket had to be replaced at under 30,000 miles. This had been a problem in older trucks and toyota was repairing it no matter how old the truck was, but now they consider that there is no longer a problem with head gaskets, and once I have over 60,000 miles, they won't stand behind it. (This problem usually requires a new engine and is a $6,000 repair).
  • rickroverrickrover Posts: 602
    I'll tell you what the head gasket problem is, the head bolts should have the torque checked every 50 to 60k miles. I did't think Toyota still had that problem. I'm glad I just leased mine, it goes back this December good riddance - what a cheaply made piece of crap. Toyota had better wake up.
  • barbellbarbell Posts: 15
    I have an '89 4x4 Xcab V6 5 speed with over 140k. I have never done anything but routine maintenence to it. Uses no oil between changes. I tow a large (for the Toyota) two-axle enclosed trailer with motorcycles, etc, in it. Into a headwind or in the mountains, I have driven many a mile in 3rd gear above 4000 rpm. If Toyota made something comparable to the Dodge in cab comfort and power, I would consider nothing else. I abuse the hell out of this truck but I also take care of it. 3000 miles between oil changes; always keep all the points greased and the transmission, transfer case and the diffs topped off. It is not comfortable for long (500+ per day) trips, and it is grossly underpowered. If Toyota ever corrects those two problems, the other brands would not have a chance. However, I am ready to order a Qcab diesel as soon as the six-speed is available.
  • meridianmeridian Posts: 1
    I'm trying to decide between buying a Tacoma [97 or 98] or wheather to get a Dodge product.
    It will be used for highway driving and some lihgt construction work.I'd like to get something that will be good for years. What is your advise anyone?
  • jholcjholc Posts: 25
    I have a 97 Tacoma Extra Cab V6 that I am really happy with. I spent some time in Canyonlands NP in Utah last Sept and it performed flawlessly on the 4x4 trails. There were many times a trail was so steep or rocky that I would have turned around had I been able too but once commited I put it in 4-low and was amazed at the ease with which it crawled up, down and over things. I can also get up to 24 mpg on the hwy with tailgate up and averaging 70mph!
  • smismi Posts: 13
    jholc,
    Auto or 5sp?
  • jholcjholc Posts: 25
    5 speed. I would not want an automatic on those trails.
  • GischpelGischpel Posts: 133
    smi,

    I have a 98 Tacoma Extra Cab 4x4, 4 cylinder, 5 speed and am really pleased. I also get around 25 mpg at 70 mph on the highway and 20-22 mpg in a city/highway mix.

    The 98's add dual airbags with side passenger cutoff switch and side-impact door beams. Other than that, I think the different year models are virtually the same.
  • pschiesspschiess Posts: 3
    I have a "95 T-100 extended cab SR-5 that has an Automatic. it has been a good vehicle but not what i expected from a Toyota. Every time I back my "jet skis" into the lake and let the truck sit in my garage for more than 24 hours the rear brakes rust to the drums and they need to be replaced. Dealer does it under warranty and says I abuse the truck. I only have 16,000 miles on it and it is in perfect condition. Anyone else have this type of problem? Any suggestions?
  • MotormouthMotormouth Posts: 99
    My guess is that it's not all that far from the place where you launch your jetski to your garage. The brakes, therefore, aren't getting a chance to dry out.

    Perhaps if you take a drive out onto a freeway for a bit of highway speed to blow-dry the brakes.

    Another recommendation: Don't be so quick to put your truck back into the garage when you know the brakes are wet from launching.

    Either that, or get a trailer...
  • BrutusBrutus Posts: 1,113
    Maybe Toyota trucks are not suppose to get wet.
  • ChrisLyChrisLy Posts: 3
    You really shouldn't even get it wet when you're launching.

    Chris
  • pschiesspschiess Posts: 3
    Interesting comments regarding the wet & rusted brakes on my T-100 but in reply yes I have a trailer and there is no way to launch the jet skiis without at least some splash coming up on the wheels. Same thing happens in wet weather. I happened to have the original brochure from when i bought the truck and it shows it getting wet. I don't think I should have to go drive around to dry out the brakes on the truck when i have never had to on a Ford or Chevy. The arbitrator agreed. I was just curious if any other Toy truck owner has had the same problem. The brake shoes always look like new so i am guessing it is the brake drums.
  • I have a 1994 Toyota 4x2, with the 22RE 2.4L 4cyl 5speed, and have had no problems with it.

    I've owned other brands of vehicle - a 1971 Dodge Demon, a 1989 Dodge D50, a 1990 Chrysler LeBaron, a 1989 Nissan Sentra, and a 1995 Kia Sportage 4x4 - and I will probably never buy another brand of vehicle.

    I've abused my Toyota, and aside from a little shaking at 90mph, it still takes it. Other than regular maintenance, its never been in the shop for repairs. IMHO, Toyota is the best manufacturer out there.

    My only regret is not getting a 4x4 when my wife suggested it.

    Just my $.02
  • airdamairdam Posts: 3
    I had a 95 T-100 SR5 4WD with everything. Loved it . Bought it new in Feb 96 - got a great deal- but ended trading it in in Nov 97. It was a great truck, very high quality, and no problems. The biggest reason for letting it go was that like all Toyota trucks, it had a terrible ride quality on the freeway. It just bumps you around to death.I even changed the shocks to softer aftermarkets. The ride just got worse. Couldn't take it anymore so I traded it in before I lost too much more value. Wish Toyota would build trucks that rode like their Sienas or Avalons. Then at least I could drive it to Tahoe without getting beat up.
  • pschiesspschiess Posts: 3
    Where did you trade in your T-100? How much did they give you for it? How many miles on it? I agree the ride is too harsh. I blame it on the overly strong rear leaf springs. They make it so the marketing people can tell the world the truck can haul like a domestic.
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