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Hyundai Elantra GT vs. Mazda Protege5



  • tocantocan Posts: 118
    mpgman, while the Accord might be a better choice for you, it doesn't do anything for me. ;-)
    Firstly, I want a car with overall small dimensions. I have a narrow driveway and small garage, so the car can't be too long or too wide. Also, I prefer a smaller car for parking convenience. The Accord is almost 18" longer than the Mazda.

    I also want a hatch to make it easier to transport my bicycle. While I will put it on a rack at times, if there is only me I would prefer to have the bicycle in the car.

    I also want all the goodies. I like power windows and doorlocks (in fact I consider them both, but particularly doorlocks, to be a safety item). I also want cruise control and ABS and 4 wheel disc brakes and nice seats and... I don't buy a small car because it is cheap, I buy it because it is the right size for me.

  • mpgmanmpgman Posts: 723
    Good feedback all. Still think that dollar for dollar, the Honda is a steal. As to hatchbacks, I started with a 78 Rabbit Diesel and now have 316,200 miles on a 88 Festiva with the original engine AND CLUTCH! Looking for a HB myself. To me, the ultimate HB and best package is the Golf, hands down. 4 wheel disc ABS, 8 air bags, 16 inch tires, phenomenal driver and passenger seats, the works. Only drawbacks are reliability and unimpressive fuel mileage with the gas motors. The diesel gets great mpg but will take you 100K miles to make up the extra maintenance. As to the Elantra and Mazda, let's see what they drive like when they are out. I hear the Mazda is 170 inches long, which is shorter than the Pro. Focus will be getting a Ford/Mazda built 2.3 Liter 4 soon as an option, and they do have a very good traction control. Reliability is terrible so far though from what I've read. Good Luck all.
  • liljonsonliljonson Posts: 109
    you could get an accord dx for about 12-14K with its roll down windows lol, i don't think Hondas in general are worth it anymore, its a deawoo with a honda sign on it. the "v-tec" engines you see going around aren't really v-tecs anyway, honda rips you off, you have to really ask for the v-tec to get it, goes the same for the si. yea you could say i'm a honda hater, not hating the people that buy them, just the company in general.
  • SporinSporin Posts: 1,066
    If by saying "the "v-tec" engines you see going around aren't really v-tecs anyway, honda rips you off, you have to really ask for the v-tec to get it," you mean that not all models have the V-Tec engine, and you have to make sure you get the model that does have it, then you are correct.

    Unfortunately, I read what you wrote and see you accusing Honda of misrepresenting what engine is in each car. Or perhaps you think that V-Tec is something that can be added or deleted from a car? EIther way, it's just not true.

    >>>>>>>> Back on subject <<<<<<<<<

    The Pro5 vs. Elantra GT is a good debate, they are direct competitors. There is much discussion about this in the Protege5 topic.

    Link--> Sporin "Mazda Protege5 (Hatchbacks & Station Wagons Boards)" Jun 20, 2001 11:55am
  • liljonsonliljonson Posts: 109
    no sorry, i forgot to put down the civic si instead of the accord. the accord is a v-tec but most of the civic si's i c on the road aren't v-tecs. i've seen a couple of real ones.
  • SporinSporin Posts: 1,066
    Oh I see. The problem is that little punks like to buy a DX (non-VTEC) Civic, slap on a bunch of tacky mods that do nothing for actual performance, then slap a big Type-R sticker on the back.

    The dealers don't do that.
  • liljonsonliljonson Posts: 109
    ohhhhh. thats why. i really didn't know how hondakids did them. because i see civic "si" with a pipe the size of my pinky. but i also know a dealer that tricked a kid into buying this used civic "si" that wasn't really v-tec,it was real funny, he never said it was a v-tec the kid assumed it was because it was dressed up like one(the dealer didn't do the dressing i think) but the kid never checked the engine, never test drove it and bought it and later found out it wasn't real when he took a beating from a prizm(my friend's) wow that was funny. i bet you if he added the type R sticker he would of token my friend easily LOL =)
  • bri70bri70 Posts: 147
    Finally got around to see the GT and Pro5 in person. I did not get to test drive as the dealerships were closing.

    On looks alone the Pro5 wins hands down. To me it is not even close. They had a red Pro5 on the floor. Really nice.

    The Elantra GT looks pretty plain to me. A disappointment. I would prefer the GT simply for the value. Right now, I'm leaning to waiting for what is next. Hyundai's new Sonata, and Tiburon. Or maybe even Toyota's Matrix. BTW my brother-in-law is getting the Pro5. They are selling well. He cannot even get a test drive.
  • pocmonsterpocmonster Posts: 15
    i have to agree that the P5 is a lot more attractive than the elantra GT. while i applaud hyundai for bringing out a (seemingly) very competent and practical car for an even better price, i simply cannot understand why they had to screw up the styling. the elantra GLS sedan looks nice enough, classy even. but the behind of the GT looks absolutely horrendous. the awfully shaped and placed light clusters simply enlarge the butt even more! it looks like the GT was designed as an afterthought to the GLS, and the front end completely does not match the back.
  • mpgmanmpgman Posts: 723
    Guess it is all in the eyes of the beholder. I agonized over both, but chose the GT. I drive a lot of miles and like the long Hyundai warranty. I know those low profile Pro-5 tires wear fast and can cost a bundle to replace. I also, IMHO, thought the Pro-5 was overdone with exterior plastic...kind of like the way they mask future models when they are concerned about spy photos. Don't get me wrong...not knocking the Pro-5 and may yet get one for the second car I need. For my immediate needs however, the GT had a much better driving position and comfort, a real functional armrest at a good height, more cargo volume, and leather and all of the other nice amenities like traction control and variable intermittent wipers (and intermittent rear) that you can't even get on the Pro. I think both cars are welcome entries, and I have already had people compare the back of the GT to a Saab.
  • SporinSporin Posts: 1,066
    Actually, the 195/50R-16 Dunlop SP5000's that come on the Pro5 are not unreasonably priced (TireRack $81). Replacements wouldn't be horrid, same-sized Pirelli P6000's are only $59. Kumho ECSTA Supra 712's are only $61. Those are decent prices for performance tires.

    I definately see your point though. I won't go bigger then 16's on anything I buy simply because replacement tire cost starts to really get up there. The price jump from 16's to 17's, fo the same tire, can be huge.
  • compensatecompensate Posts: 212
    You're right. There are some tires with a decent price available for the P5. However, the Pirelli and Dunlop tires are VERY soft and will likely have to be replaced every 20,000 miles - not something I would want to have to do. The Kumho's have a higher treadwear rating and would likely be a decent-wearing tire, but I wonder about this tire's long-term quality. Anyone know anything about the long-term reliability of Kumho tires?

    I myself am struggling between purchasing the Elantra GT vs the P5. It's a tough decision!
  • mpgmanmpgman Posts: 723
    Did the comparison test on the link you provided for the Elantra GT and Pro-5. Thanks. However, one line item on the Elantra is inaccurate. All Elantras, GLS and GT, have optional traction/stability control. It is package 5 on the GLS and package 2 on the GT. The site lists it as "unavailable." This is bundled with ABS on the GLS and ABS and a moonroof on the GT.
  • SporinSporin Posts: 1,066
    Yup, the stickier the tire, the quicker it wears. It's a tradeoff for increased handling. I would run dedicated snows in the winter (15") but still, I would be replaceing tires ever 2 years or so.. not too bad, but I definately see your point.
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Posts: 2,228
    Kumho tires aren't bad at all. I have real cheap 13" Kumho tires on my 00 Hyundai Accent and they show very little wear after 16,500 miles. I haven't even needed to rebalance them yet, which is quite an accomplishment for such cheap tires. They have surprisingly good grip in the dry (they have only squealed once in a very fast turn) and are reasonably ok in hydroplane resistance, but overall wet traction is its downside. The front brakes tend to lock up quite easily if the ground is moist and the little 92 horse engine can easily overpower the right tire and make it spin fruitlessly in the rain. The tires are also very quiet and comfortable riding. Overall, I have been quite impressed with these Korean tires and would have no problem buying a Kumho tire over a Michelin. Someone else in the Accent forum has put 52K on his original set of Kumho tires and has praised them for its excellent wear and its resistance to losing air pressure and balance. If the cheap OEM brand tires hold up this well, I have to believe the higher performance ones should be just as good quality wise.
  • compensatecompensate Posts: 212
    Good to hear about the good experiences with Kumho tires. I'd considered buying them from time to time, but was worried about how well they would last, their performance, belt strength, etc. The last time I bought a generic tire (Continental, I think it was), it developed a bubble in its sidewall after only 10,000 miles of non-aggressive driving.

    Pro5 or Elantra GT? I don't know if I'll be able to decide this one until I drive them both.
  • hung0820hung0820 Posts: 426
    I am currently the Owner of the Hyundai Santa Fe and I will look forward for buying the Elantra Gt as well. Here is what I like about the Elantra GT that other company do not offer; An optional of TRACTION CONTROL on the Elantra GT plus the rear SWAY BAR. So overall what I like and plan to buy the top model by 2002:

    1. Side Airbags (safety)
    2. 4 Independent Suspension (smooth ride)
    3. Traction Control (Cornering, Safety, etc.)
    4. Sway Bar (Cornering, Curb wide turn)
    5. Price and Warranty (Best in its class)
    6. Leather Seats (luxury look)
    7. 28.3 cubic ft-rear seats fold (many cargo space)
    8. 25/35 city/hiway MPG (Great w/ sport car ride)
    9. Sun/Moonroof (nice with good price)
    10. ABS (another safety feature)
    11. 3-Point seat belts/pretensioners w/ force limiters

    Here is a list of its competitors:
    1. Mazda Protege5
    2. Subara Impreza Sportwagon
    3. Ford Focus Z5
    4. Pontiac Vibe
    5. Toyota Matrix
    6. Volkswagon Golf
    7. ***Elantra GT***
  • mpgmanmpgman Posts: 723
    You can buy a 5 speed for around $15k and an auto for $16k or under. That plus the can't beat it, although base GLSs for around $10k or less are the ultimate deal in terms of pounds and content for the dollar.
  • hung0820hung0820 Posts: 426
    Yes! The price on the 5 speed quite awesome as well. I will be getting the 4-speed Auto because my wife can not drive Manual Gear. With the Santa Fe right Now; I always drive the Manual Shiftronic and while my wife drive A/T. The Santa Fe has great feature to drive Manual and A/T. Hyundai make such a great cars now-a-day; I can't believe the quality, price, and warranty they offer (it is extremely faboulous; no word to describe it; I create a website for my Santa Fe; By next year I will create a site for the Elantra GT as well...
  • zcmanzcman Posts: 17
    Read the posts on both the Elantra GT board and the Elantra sedan board. The quality is not there on the Hyundai. Considering the small number of posts on these boards the owners with problems with the Elantra/GT is almost as bad as the Ford Focus ZX3.
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