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  • barsonbarson Posts: 34
    Test drove the xA on Saturday; liked it. The dealership experience was a disappointment. The salesman seemed uninterested and/or clueless, a sales manager tried to delay me; said "I'll be right back" and never returned. Very different experience at the Kia dealer I went to on Friday. The salesman there was enthusiastic without being pushy, and he gave me keys to a car to let me go on a second test drive all by myself. Didn't even ask to photocopy my driver's license. The impression I got at the Toyota dealer is that Scions don't generate much dealer profit with the fixed pricing system, so there's not much interest in selling them. If this attitude is common, it could hurt Scion sales in the long run.

    Back to my original MPG question. If the automatic only gets 1 MPG better than the manual at, say, 70 mph on highways, paying $800 more for the automatic doesn't save me any money. Using 36 MPG for the automatic and 35 for the manual, the difference is only $300 at $2.50 a gallon at 150,000 miles. This leaves $500 for clutch repairs when needed.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,648
    The ride isn't rough...and I've got 38 psi air in the tires, too. But yeah, when I hit a good-sized rut, I feel it....this isn't a Lexus LS430.

    Ummm...I have a 2006 and with the manual trans. the power is more than adequate...I just put it in the left lane and go as fast as I dare....80-85....

    I think that with the automatic say going uphill at higher altitudes, you could be pressed for power, definitely....but on the flats at sea level, I don't see an issue with the automatic. You might on occasion have to shift it manual but this is good advice for any automatic car....newer automatics seem very lazy at times to downshift properly, especially if they are in OD.

    The xA feels as fast as my Alfa Romeo was (the Spider, not the 164 sedan).

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  • barsonbarson Posts: 34
    On my xA test drive I didn't try to redline it; does anyone know what rpms the automatic shifts at? In other words, if both the manual and the automatic have the engine at 3,500 rpms at 80 mph, there's not much of a difference in highway MPG, right?

    I'm thinking of how my ex-wife's manual Subaru Forester was geared -- I remember it being geared very low with high rpms on the highway. Fifth gear was basically overdrive. I had no objections to that.
  • cdoccdoc Posts: 41
    I just purchased my xA Friday and my experience at the dealership was perfection. The car I wanted wasn't in stock, but they got in exactly on week later. I'm very happy with the car xA. It's small, but only on the outside. Once inside I feel like I'm driving something much bigger. There is plenty of room for four passengers, even in the back seats if someone who is not too tall is sitting in the front. I'm also surprised with how high I sit, higher up than most sedans, at about the same level as a Subaru Forester. The only disadvantages I've found are they ones all of you are pointing out: small amount of trunk space and the nagging feeling that there should be a sixth speed.

    I call it my mid-life crisis car. My wife thinks I'm crazy.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,713
    the Scion xa is just the kind of car America needs right now. I have one on my futures list right now along with either a Kia Rio LX sedan or a Kia Rio5. Great gas mileage and fun to drive.

    I haven't test drove the 2006 Kia Rio's yet but did test drive a 2006 Polar White Scion xA with a 5-speed tranny. Good little cruise and a very "solid" feel to the little car, really. Let me put it this way: the cars on my list get me excited about driving. That's it!

    You're right, one does not feel "down low" in a Scion xA. Rather, you're up and seeing out very well. A nice, nice rig that I remain interested in buying. It's a real battle between Kia and Scion for my next rig. For now, my 2001 Kia Sportage is plowing through eastern Idaho's winter so well that we can't see need to part with it. :D

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  • joey0708joey0708 Posts: 39
    can anyone tell me do you think buying the extended warranty is worth the extra money? i will try to keep the car , i put about 10 or 12,000 miles on a year . i know the first 3 years is all covered, and the power train is for about 5 . i would like some ones feed back , just trying not to miss something . thanks
  • cdoccdoc Posts: 41
    It depends on how much the extended warranty costs and money you have to spend. I've never purchased an extended warranty on any new car, and I've driven them over 140K miles each - one 210K miles - without anything serious going wrong. Also, it doesn't sound like you'll put that many miles on your car. The best thing to do is take care of the car: change the oil every 3-5K miles, keep up with scheduled maintenance, check your fluids regularly, drive responsibly, that sort of thing.
  • driley99driley99 Posts: 5
    When I was told by dealership my 15K service on xA was going to be $300, I went to my regular mechanic who did the warranty service required for MUCH less and he caught something I feel should have been found at the 5K rotation--a nail causing a slow leak.

    The manual is confusing, but I've heard that as long as I get the service done, the warranty is in effect. The manual says that too, but also says elsewhere that getting the services done outside Scion dealership "doesn't necessarily void warranty"...talk about confusing. :confuse:

    Any thoughts?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,648
    $300 is a rip. Should have been about $160, even from a dealer. That's what they charge for the 5K in San Francisco.

    The warranty rap is giving them some wiggle room. Basically Scion would have to prove that the outside service you got caused a mechanical failure....like if your oil filter fell off in the middle of the highway or they put your brakes on backwards....

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  • joey0708joey0708 Posts: 39
    how do you feel about using synthic oil ? i know toyota has problems with oil gelling . or do you feel changing your oil every 3000 miles would prevent gelling .
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,713
    just change your oil regularly and you'll be fine. Those bozo's that had trouble with their Toyota's gelling neglected their rigs and thought that, because they were Toyota's they would last...forever.

    If your driving is "severe"..i.e. short trips, lots of sandy, dusty trips, lots of uphill straining on your engine then I would change every 3,000 miles, actually.

    My Kia Sportage service manual direct from Kia says every 7,500 miles to change and I think my '99 Kia Sephia manual said the same.

    I change every 3,000-5,000 miles no matter what and my Sportage's motor is running like a top.

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  • We bought my daughter a 2004 Scion xA with an automatic transmission. We live in Houston and during the summers experience between mid 90s to over 100 degree temps. Her AC has performed just fine. I read an article in Consumer Reports that stated that the Scion 2004 xA's have had issues with the AC however we have yet to experience that. In fact we pick up a new 2006 xA manual transmission for my wife this evening. I can't wait to throw rims, pipe, and cold air kit on it :)
  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    Congratulations on your '06! I still miss my '04....

    Can you let us know what rpm the car is turning on the freeway? As I recollect, my xA manual turned 3,800 at 80 mph (not that I drove that fast).

    Also, since you have a 2004 too, will you let us know if the ride/handling of the '06 is the same or different - the '04 I owned had a VERY stiff suspension. Handled great, ride was hard (please let us know before you start modding your ride!).

    Finally, the hard plastic on the dash and doors picked up fingernail marks easily - it sort of abraded the fingernails and got streaked. It didn't get scratched, of course, it was too sturdy for that.

    Happy riding.
  • johnniconjohnnicon Posts: 10
    I just read the Popular Mechanics blog on the Fit-Versa-Yaris comparions. But no Scion XA. Are our babies being phased out for the Yaris. They keep talking about lack of head room in the rear of the yaris. XAs have plenty.
  • cdoccdoc Posts: 41
    I think the xA was left out because it has the same engine as the Yaris/Echo, so in some ways it would have been redundant. Also, the Fit, Versa, and Yaris are all new models coming out at about the same time. I sure hope they're not planning on getting rid of the Scions. Today marks one week since I picked up my '06 xA, and I'm very happy with it. Also, it was quite the hit at the dump last Saturday (it loaded up quite nicely with a week's worth of trash and recycling, all with a baby in a car seat on 40% of the backseat). All the old fogies stood around it scratching their heads, asking each other what kind of car it is. One guy thought it was the new RAV4.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,648
    I'm totally please with the xA for the money I paid. I think it's a total bargain, and very well made. I drive it everywhere, blinding rain, some snow even, rough rocky roads, floods at high tide, highway at 80 mph, careening down San Francisco hills, heavy traffic--the little guy is tough!

    It does need a rear sway bar and better tires though. At least I'd like that.

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  • cdoccdoc Posts: 41
    I'm looking forward to trying it out next winter in a good ol' New England snow storm.
  • kato8kato8 Posts: 11
    I have a 2005 XA w/10,000 miles that I purchased in October 2004.
    I've found that fabric on the driver's seat seems to be wearing prematurely. The wear is evident on the side bolster of the driver's seat (which you rub when you get in and out of the car? I've owned 5 Toyotas with fabric seats over the past 26 years, and this is the only one showing wear on the seat.
    Has anyone experienced this problem?
  • I had a 1993 4runner that did the exact same thing. The original seat covers wore out on the left side bottom portion of the seat. But it wasn't til the 9th year that I owned it (110,000 miles or so).
  • Hey micweb,

    We have had my wife's new 2006 Scion xA for a few days now and I really like driving it. It is a total blast to rip around in...I mean drive in (*cough, cough). Anyway, the ride feels more civil than my daughter's 2004 yet it takes the corners rather well. It has some roll in tight turns but it seems to be more lateral tire roll than suspension. I will purchase the rims and tires before dropping it so in about 1000 miles (break in) I'll let you know how the tires change the ride. In regards to the highway ride...the engine is buzzy as it hits about 70 which turns about 3400 and 80 is around 3800 - 3900. I was very impressed with the stock shifter as it shifts smoothly and the throw isn't really that long for such an inexpensive car. It's also nice that this is the first car that we paid cash for in over 20 years of marriage. :)
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,648
    I'm going to try a rear sway bar to check that body roll. As for the tires, yeah there is sidewall give. I pumped up the tires to 38 psi and that helped considerably.

    Has anyone tried an aftermarket muffler yet? Please report in!

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  • What a/c issues have you heard about? I have a problem with my a/c and the dealer is in a state of denial. They simply don't want to fix it. My mechanic told me that the a/c clutch does not disengage. Thanks. Ken
  • cdoccdoc Posts: 41
    Is your xA under warranty? If so, the dealer is required to repair it. Do you have any friends who are lawyers that could ride with you to the dealership?
  • 719b719b Posts: 216
    i don't believe a reputable dealer will refuse to fix anything still covered.
    i think you ran into is something they have no fix for. if your air conditioner is the same unit that is in the echo, it's just a weak unit.
    many people living in hot and humid climates complain about how inadequate the air conditioner is.
  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    I tried several (about 4) aftermarket mufflers on my xA and came to the conclusion that the stock muffler, with its trick "valve" that opens under high throttle, is actually the best. However, I was looking for performance, not "sound," and I know a lot of drivers like an aggressive sound (which I don't). I tried Magnaflow and various "turbo" style mufflers. The loudest seemed the most powerful, but this was purely subjective (if it's louder, it must be stronger, right?) and when I put the stock muffler back on, the car was notable more responsive (I guess it needed a little back pressure to keep the fuel charge good).

    TRD sells a muffler that they claim improves the horsepower. I never tried it, but I'd start there - if TRD makes a claim, it is more likely to be true than with other makers. But it might be louder than stock. :mad:
  • driley99driley99 Posts: 5
    I take mine to the Petaluma dealership (or did before 15K quote). My first 2 checkups there for 5K and 10K were about $50 each with oil coupons that came with purchase. $160 seems steep.

    Thanks for the reassurance. I have a Toyota pickup with 150K with no prob yet except a clutch replacement, so I'm hoping for same quality.
  • You bet it's under warranty. The dealer's service department claims that they don't hear the a/c unit making any unusual noise. My mechanic says that it's happens infrequently, but does happen. He traced it to the a/c clutch, which does not disengage like it is suppose to. My dealer simply wants to avoid doing the rapair. As for an attorney, they just refer me to the lemon law, since there is no money in it for them. Any thoghts? I live in NYC.
  • cdoccdoc Posts: 41
    It sounds like your Scion dealer is jerk with some serious issues. Can you try another Scion dealer? A note from your mechanic? How about contancting someone at Scion (try the Scion.com)?

    Does anyone have any other suggestions?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,648
    sounds like the AC system is low on refrigerant. The clutch won't engage if system charge is marginal.

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  • Go to another dealer in NYC. I might as well try fixing it myself. as for Scion.com, they were no help either.
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