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Pontiac GTO



  • b4zb4z Posts: 3,372
    This may quiet all of the people who think the new GTO is too plain looking.

    Not all old GTo's were hot.
    Very cool car, just not as sporty as we remember them. =2444114059&category=7244
  • revdrluvrevdrluv Posts: 417
    I generally like this new GTO. The styling is clean and the performance is outstanding. It's the first Pontiac in decades that I would consider owning. Pontiac is finally getting some models that help it live up to it's stated purpose, to be the sporty side of GM.

    Although, I can see how one could wish that Pontiac had showcased a new design direction with it's new halo model. Instead it looks like, well a member of Pontiac's current model range. Which is fine, but a little unexciting.

    I guess we will have to wait for the Soltice to see the new direction of Pontiac design.
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,593
    the only thing plain about that '68 GTO could be fixed with the addition of a nice set of wheels like the optional Rally II wheels and some big white letter tires( like those worn by my old GT0).

    Given those additions (which were more common than not on the old ones I don't think many would consider a '68 GTO coupe plain, then or now.

    2000 BMW 528i, 2001 BMW 330CiC

  • b4zb4z Posts: 3,372
    Which was the whole point of my post:

    The new GTO can have wheel, spoilers, hood scoops, added and look as muscular as any older GTO.

    In the same way the Tempest/Lemans had things added to make it look sportier.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,148
    first of all, why should that quiet anyone? Who cares what the old one looked like? The old one also weighed a helluva lot more and handled like a steamship. Does that mean the new one should do the same?

    2nd of all, that '68 is NOT plain in my book. Just look at that hood. Can you add something like that to the new one? Sure. I could also cram an LS6 into a hyundai and spank this GTO. But why spend that kind of time and money when I could get something else straight from the factory that can do the job? If I gotta look at a new car and think about what I'll do to it BEFORE I even buy it, then its not worth buying, in my opinion.

    and 3rdly, I think the complaints about the new one are more to the fact that it looks like a plain old grand prix, not necessarily that it in itself is plain. It just does nothing to distinguish itself from the other Pontiacs on the showfloor.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • b4zb4z Posts: 3,372
    I reread my post and can't figure why I am being criticized for it.

    Thought you guys would be interested in looking at a low option, plain jane survivor.

    I felt the overall tone of my post was positive for both the new and old.

    The GTO has been my favorite musclecar since I was 12. Tried to buy my neighbor's '70 Judge in 1983 and my next door neighbor's '72 GTO in 1980.

    I sometimes wonder why I continue to participate in these forums.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,099
    The history if the GTO was one of taking a plain, mundane car and turning it into a "barn burner".

    That's what Pontiac did. They originially took the "plain Jane" LEmans and John DeLorean stuffed a "honkin", high output V8 in it. That was the birth of the muscle car.

    Fast forward to today. Pontiac takes a plain Jane, kind of Grand Prix sort of car and stuffs a "honkin" 'vette engine in it.

    Same principle....same result!
  • Totally agree with above. 'Part time' car fans forget that the GTO was not a unique bodied car like the Mustang or the F's.

    The 64-73's looked like the rest of the LeMans's, which in fact looked like "any other Pontiac". (not counting the Judges).
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,148
    again, who cares? why should this follow suit of the old one? If that is the case, then why are they making this one faster and handle better than the old one? If you want history, then you'd better throw about 500 lbs. in the trunk of this new GTO before you go out cruising. Oh, and, by the way, the DIDN'T take a grand prix and stuff a v8 into it. They took a Holden Monaro and made it LOOK like a Grand Prix. So they really aren't following the original equation at all.

    b4z - you aren't being "criticized" for it, but if that's how you feel and you want to post your thoughts without any feedback whatsoever, then why DO you participate in forums?? That IS kind of the whole point, is it not?? I thought it was great that you posted that link. I love seeing it, but you also said you thought it should shut people up about the looks of the new one. That ain't gonna happen.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • b4zb4z Posts: 3,372
    Point taken.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,099
    "If that is the case, then why are they making this one faster and handle better than the old one?"

    Because they can!

    In all seriousness, I would have loved some styling cues from the "old" Lemans/GTO. But, the whole "retro" thing is a hit or miss gambit (hit = PT Cruiser, miss = Thunderbird) Fact is, from the get go Pontiac (more to the point, Lutz) said they wanted to revive the spirit of the original. I think that's what they did.

    They took an old idea, updated it with today's modern design and power advances and brought out a car that, if not everybody's cup of tea, is one of the performance stars in all of "cardom".

    Come to think of it, they did the same exact thing they did over 3 decades ago with the original.
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,593
    that Pontiac put certain clues into the original GTO to separate it from the Garden variety LeMans
    These clues were actually subtle. At a glance
    many would think they were looking at a LeMans (which like the Goat could be plain or quite deluxe).

    Except for the wing (which BTW I don't like) the
    new Goat could use a little more differentiation from the garden variety GPs and Bonnies.

    B4z, I misinterpreted the term "plain" in your post. In fact it is correct to say that that was a "plain Jane GTO for it's era.

    2000 BMW 528i, 2001 BMW 330CiC

  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,148
    still on that whole "repeat of history" idea, remember what they were competing with back then. Its just not the same today. The original GTO was a big fish in a small pond. Now the pond is immense. There are so many other choices out there these days that this sort of concept just doesn't win over drivers like it used to. Don't get me wrong, I still think its great. But something as simple as the style could tilt the scales in favor of a G35, RX8, or whatever the flavor of the month is at that point in time.

    Modern design? hardly. That design is already 7 model years old (body-wise). That's ancient in terms of today's constantly evolving marketplace and fickle consumers.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • garnesgarnes Posts: 950
    I wonder how many people here have actually seen the car for real.
  • b4zb4z Posts: 3,372
    That's okay.

    i would expect them to start arriving in the dealerships in the next 2 weks.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,099
    I have seen one....I saw it at the International Auto Show in Detroit last January. The design cues from the GP are more than subtle. Interior design is a quantum leap ahead of where Pontiac is today, however.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,408
    Old muscle cars generate a LOT of excitement at car shows and auctions. People salivate. I think GM is trying to capitalize on that and if possible re-create a level of excitement like that for their new models. They aren't trying to recreate the past car itself, but rather recreate the past excitement.


  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,593
    They revived the GTO name for a reason. I'm convinced that in a couple of years there will be more design excitement in the GTO. Let's hope they don't get carried away.

    If I were GM's design chief I'd tell my GTO guys to take a lesson from Pininfarina. In 1968 they figured out away to show the Ferrari look in a new way without using cliched "surface excitement.

    They were leapfrogging ahead whilst across the ocean GM's guys were copying the '62 Ferrari GTO
    (Corvette C3)

    2000 BMW 528i, 2001 BMW 330CiC

  • revdrluvrevdrluv Posts: 417
    Hey, at least Pontiac understyled this one rather than the other way 'round. It could have all those tacky bumps and ridges like other current Pontaic designs. I'll take the former anyday.

    I would love to see a four door version. A Pontiac giving the big boy sedans from BMW, Mercedes and Jaguar a run for their money, I love it. Of course that would hurt sales for the CTS-V so it will never happen.

    Interesting comparo...

    GTO — 189.8
    CTS-V — 194.5

    GTO — 72.5
    CTS-V — 70.6

    GTO — 3725
    CTS-V — 3847

    GTO — 350
    CTS-V — 400

    GTO — 365 lbs-ft
    CTS-V — 395 lbs-ft

    GTO — 5.3
    CTS-V — 4.6

    GTO — 31k
    CTS-V — 49k

    Old Omega platform vs. new with same basic powerplant (minus tuning). Seems like GM has done a pretty good job keeping these cars different enough in performance to keep the CTS-V looking like the top dog in the range.
  • b4zb4z Posts: 3,372
    Saw in C & D that the new 6 series is almost identical to the GTO in lenght weight and 0-60 times.
    There are so close that it would be a perfect comparison test.
    Oh yeah, the BMW is $70,000!!
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