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Ford Five Hundred/Mercury Montego

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  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    My wife also really likes the way the stability control on her VW handles winter roads.

    A pro-SUV co-worker admitted to me that his honda minivan with 2WD and stability was better in winter than his 4WD SUV.

    This is an extra bonus to the added safety of stability.
  • evandroevandro Posts: 1,108
    They certainly should, for it's nothing but extra software on a car with ABS...
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    its more than extra software. First, the ABS system has to be sophisticated enough to handle it. Probably a 4 channel system is required.

    Also there are more sensors for a vehicle with Stability control such as a Yaw Sensor. A steering input sensor, a acceleration input sensor and probably helps if you have a car with drive by wire throttle.

    Mark.
  • sonofknudsonofknud Posts: 50
    I think stability control is a big miss. Consumer reports thinks it will save more lives then air bags and child car seats combined if I remember the article correctly. I do have experience myself in my VW I had to swerve to miss a dear doing 70 on a freeway and it all happened so fast I believe the stability control help me keep the car on the road.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,969
    how do you know stability control contributed anything?
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,423
    Well, obviously he doesn't.

    But if a buyer feels more safe in a vehicle with stability control, then he or she will buy that. In addition, the systems do actively prevent vehicles from going beyond limits the vehicle can sustain. No, they are not perfect, and some conditions can be too much for the system to overcome. But like airbags, they add a clearly measurable extra margin of safety.

    If Ford's competitors offer the system (some as standard equipment), then Ford is going ot lose more and more customers who care about such things--unless Ford begins to offer the option.
  • jrdoajrdoa Posts: 11
    I own this vehicle and cannot figure this out nor can any dealer I have asked. Can anyone explain to me what exactly the mp3 means on the radio? I've read on the specs that this vehicle has an AM/FM in-dash 6 CD player with MP3 stereo. I have made several homemade cd's that are mp3 files and keep getting the error "bad disc". The dealer supposedly checked my stereo and said it's fine and it's just my discs. Help!!
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    First, make sure you actually are burning discs in MP3 Formant and not in WMA or some other format. If you are using Windows Media player and didn't pay extra for an MP3 burner software then you are probably not using MP3 format.

    Second, you can not use "nested" folders. The disc should have a main directory with folders and in each folder should be the actual MP3 Files. you can put the files in a folder that is inside a folder.

    Mark
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    Just noticed these new 06 Ford Five Hundreds on my look that look way different from the side.

    Ford removed the flat door molding from the middle of the door and replaced with a wedge shaped molding at the very bottom edge of the door. The car now looks completely different and very very European.

    Mark.
  • fsmmcsifsmmcsi Posts: 792
    Since production of the 2007 models is supposed to begin in May, the order guides should be out by now, but I can't find one. Does anyone have an idea where to find them?

    Yes, I am back here because the too-short Sport Trac box and too-tall tailgate would be way less useful to me than the trunk of the Five Hundred or Montego.
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    IT was released Saturday to dealers but I can't post a link because its on a password only site.

    In summary,

    SE goes away.

    SEL is decontented to 06 SE level but there is a SEL Comfort package and SEL Interor Power Package that brings the car back to 06 SEL level of equipment.

    Ok that makes NO sense.

    All FWD cars are now 6-speed..

    Options that added are Family Entertainment Package and Sat. Radio oh and Heated Seats are available on SEL.

    Mark.
  • kiiwiikiiwii Posts: 302
    Mark, do you know if the "stability (or skid control) program" will be available in 2007?
  • jrdoajrdoa Posts: 11
    Mark, Thanks for the reply. However, I am using the mp3 format. Like I said, or may not have, some disks work, some don't. Wow, alot of commas's there.

    I don't use folders at all. How would that make a difference?

    Again, thanks.
  • jrdoajrdoa Posts: 11
    Here is where this stands with my mp3 issues. First to go back to my problem, some / most of my homemade mp3 discs are being "kicked out" with a message "bad disc". This happens to a variety of brand name discs. My dealer checked for any problems with the radio and reported all was fine. I contacted Mercury earlier regarding what then, does the mp3 exactly mean or provide on the radio.

    My response from Mercury was this: "...we recommend that you contact Visteon Audio at: www.visteon.com or (800) 847-8366." Upon doing so, Visteon told me they have nothing to do with my vehicle (Mercury) and told me to contact Delphi.

    When I did that, I got the message "Thank you for contacting delphi.com. Delphi does not work directly with consumers for this type of information. The reason for this is that the vehicle manufacturer controls the warranty and policy for products that Delphi sells to them. Please contact your vehicle dealer for the information you require regarding your audio system. If your dealer can't answer your questions, they can contact our technical support at 1-800-428-0501.

    I just contaced Mercury again to find out what exactly this mp3 on the radio means. (I'm sure I know what it is (playing mp3 discs, but just want to hear it from them.)

    Stay tuned....
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    Saving MP3 files
    • Your Family Entertainment System supports discs containing up to
    255 files. Discs containing more than 255 files will not play.
    • Always save MP3 files with the .mp3 extension. The player recognizes
    an MP3 file by the .mp3 extension, so MP3 files saved with different
    extensions will not be played. Never save a non-MP3 file with the
    .mp3 extension as the file will not play properly.
    • The player supports multi session discs. However, be sure to import
    the previous session of the disc before you add new files. If you do not
    import the previous session, only the last session will be played.
    • When burning a disc, ensure that you close/finalize the disc
    before playback, or the disc may not play properly or an error
    message may appear.
    • Some CD-RW discs may operate inconsistently and may cause an error
    message to appear. We recommend burning MP3 files onto CD-R discs.

    https://web.msslib.dealerconnection.com/RightSite/getcontent/myfile.pdf?DMW_OBJE- CTID=09000c588052f3e0

    Mark
  • jrdoajrdoa Posts: 11
    Mark, again thank you for your response. The unfortunate part is that all of your points listed are followed. I'm just wondering if there is a difference between cd-r discs and Music cd-r's. I use cd-r's.
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    Use brand named data CD-Rs. Also, try 1 level of Folders.

    Also, I know this is stupid but make sure you are actually ripping into MP3 format.

    Most computers out of the box do not have MP3 ripping software installed or if they do its only a trial version.

    If you didn't pay something for MP3 ripping software, there is a good chance you are not using MP3 format.

    Windows Media Player rippes in wma unless buy an add on.

    These players are very finiky. It could just be the CD writer that you are using. It could be the brand of CD-Rs that you are using. It could be the allignment of Mars and Jupiter etc.

    Mark.
  • barnstormer64barnstormer64 Posts: 1,106
    I've used mp3's burned onto CD-R without issues.

    I'm using some older Kodak Gold CD-R (rated at only 4x, though I'm burning them at 40x without issues).

    I'm using NERO to burn the CD-R's. I burn them in a single session.

    I'm using only a single level of folders (all tracks for an album area under a folder with the album name).
  • petroniopetronio Posts: 18
    Based on the lack of discussion, is anyone buying this car right now? I think this is a perfect car for my wife, but I have a hard time paying upwards of $27k for a Ford. Has anyone had any reliability or other problems with the model?
  • bruneau1bruneau1 Posts: 468
    Ford sells over 100,000 per year. Somebody must be buying. Reliability for the first year 2005 has been average, with FWD better. Forget the AWD unless you need to plow through snow.
  • lzclzc Posts: 483
    I'm considering buying. I'm attracted to the car's safety as indicated by its great crash test scores, and also to its comfortable and spacious seating and good view of the road, something not easy to find outside of SUVs.

    I'm hesitating because I want to include vehicle stability control, a feature I understand will be available on the 2007 models. The one negative that probably won't change is the basic driving experience, which is less responsive than I'd prefer. Oh, the cars goes where you steer it, but it's clearly a large, American-style freeway cruiser.

    But . . . in comfortable, safe, and reasonably reliable passenger cars, there aren't that many choices.

    Based on the Five Hundred's recent sales record, large discounts off MSRP should be available.
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    there will not be stability control on the 2007 model.

    Mark.
  • barnstormer64barnstormer64 Posts: 1,106
    Forget the AWD unless you need to plow through snow.

    I say to get the AWD so that you can get the CVT instead of the 6-speed tranny.

    But then I just love the CVT. :blush:
  • petroniopetronio Posts: 18
    My wife wants AWD because we get a lot of snow in Poughkeepsie NY. I think FWD with VSC works fine in snow (AWD only helps you get out of snow not stop or really recover from a skid -- maybe traction control helps a little there) but VSC is not available in the 500. High seat and overall visibility are also pluses.

    The only experience I have with Ford is my mother 1983 Ford Escort. Brrrr.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    59,7oo+ miles with NO unexpected repairs or unusual maintenance here. And that's with the AWD.

    I would NOT forget the AWD. Had there been no AWD, I would likely have bought a Legacy or Outback Wagon.
  • fsmmcsifsmmcsi Posts: 792
    I'll second John's motion. As ANT14 (he has been absent lately - hope he is OK and just busy) pointed out long ago in this forum, AWD is a safety feature which improves traction in many situations. Besides winter driving, think about accident avoidance, loose gravel, rain, mud, uneven pavement, and other such situations. Unless there is some inordinate extra cost, or significant additional noise from the drive train, why wouldn't someone get AWD on a car on which it is offered? It may add some additonal parts, but designs such as the Volvo-type AWD used on the Five Hundred, Montego, and Freestyle have been around for enough years and have been proven to be reliable. In their literature on the upcoming Edge, Ford (www.media.Ford.com) indicates that they expect more and more vehicles to be equipped with AWD over the coming years.
  • jrdoajrdoa Posts: 11
    I purchased the '05 Premier AWD and must say, I love this car. It's awesome in the snow (live in Chicago), but my gas mileage has totally sucked (15-17mpg).
  • petroniopetronio Posts: 18
    Subaru would be my first choice (I drive a 2000 L wagon), but we need room for three car seats in the back.
  • bruneau1bruneau1 Posts: 468
    I love the CVT,too
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