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Ford Five Hundred/Mercury Montego

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  • mrlizzzardmrlizzzard Posts: 33
    Weigh your vehicle and compare the weight to other brands and mostly you will see about the same MPG.Even conservative manufacturers like Honda lag in the MPG department.Do you think if OPEC wasn't a major share holder in GM and other car makers they would actually compete for better MPG?I do.
    lizzzard
  • jimlockeyjimlockey Posts: 265
    The US auto industry and younger drivers are still stuck on the 0 to 60 and auto racing mentality. If the fuel prices stay as high as they have been for the past year there could be a change, but I doubt it.
  • wep68wep68 Posts: 18
    I live about 30 miles south of SF. Import car capital of america.

    I am interested in the 500, so I keep my eyes open for them. I have seen exactly one (1).

    Meanwhile, I saw 5 Toyota prius' today. In fact I see a prius every day.

    I wonder what Fords market share for cars in the Bay Area -- amazingly low.
  • mnfmnf Posts: 404
    Any comments on what the warranty's are going for on the 500 or Montego as we all know they are open for bargaining when buying. Any help would be great.... Thanks M/F
  • savethelandsavetheland Posts: 671
    I saw 500s and Montegos - both privately own and rentals, on the roads and parking lots of Bay area. The problem with 500 is its not easily noticeable. Because of bland design and Mercedes rear end you need extra effort to notice these cars. They just blend into crowd. Sometimes I see Mercedes and think it is 500, and vice versa.

    Honda Odysseys are already all over place. Yeah, but it is Bay area.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    How unusual they would have so many minivans in the bay area, since SanFran has the lowest children population of any major city in the U.S.
  • savethelandsavetheland Posts: 671
    Its not babies, its Bay area engineers. They have extended families - dads, moms, gran’dads, gran’moms - all live together. But most drive Corollas and Civics. Those who want more comfort - drive Camries and Accords. Those with extended families drive Siennas and Oddies. Those who are rich drive BMWs, Acuras and Lexuses. So you got a picture. There is no place for Ford, GM and Chrysler. Non-engineers though drive all kind of vehicles.
  • wep68wep68 Posts: 18
    Ant - I live in the burbs, 30 miles south of SF. I have a mini van. Everyone has a minivan or SVU

    SavetheLand -- I know what 500s look like, and I look for them. In San Carlos I have still only seen one.
  • smithedsmithed Posts: 444
    I don't know, that HEMI is mighty enticing. :shades:
  • garandmangarandman Posts: 524
    Its not babies, its Bay area engineers. They have extended families - dads, moms, gran’dads, gran’moms - all live together. But most drive Corollas and Civics. Those who want more comfort - drive Camries and Accords. Those with extended families drive Siennas and Oddies. Those who are rich drive BMWs, Acuras and Lexuses. So you got a picture. There is no place for Ford, GM and Chrysler. Non-engineers though drive all kind of vehicles

    Umm, want to back that up with some identifiable market share data? That sounds like a big fat stereotype to me. I know a lot of Bay Area engineers and they mostly drive SUV's.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,451
    i saw a car driving through a grassy parking area about 150 ft way. the first thing that caught my eye were the wheels. took a little closer look wondering what kind of car is that? it was a black 500 liminted. it looked really good. they should have put the exhaust straight out the back, with a polished tip. it would have made the back look less narrow. that the weakest view of the car. you can tell it was designed to have a straight exhaust exit, but it got cut because of cost.
  • frasierdogfrasierdog Posts: 128
    Why is Ford only offering the CVT in the Freestyle? I want the 6 sp.

    After several visits to the dealer, I really have become to like the Freestyle, 3.0L and all.

    Yet, I can not get past the CVT. While it's performance is fine, I have no confidence that it will make 150K miles as my previous Ford vehicles.

    The dealer did not want to through in a warrantee to cover the transmission to 150K miles.

    Whatever the merits of the CVT may be, it's reliability is not proven. With that in mind, I must consider the Freestyle price with an added cost of $2k for a tranny replacement down the road.

    If in 3 years, the CVT reliability has been shown to be quite low, trade-in values will reflect it.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    Ford doesn't only offer the CVT in the Freestyle. It's also available in the Five Hundred. I have one, and love it. I usually put 150,000 to 170,000 miles on my cars, so you can see I was not concerned about durability on the CVT.

    Now, if you meant why does Ford offer only the CVT in the Freestyle, that group is over there on Edmunds, too; though I bet ANT will answer that here. The CVT DOES get better fuel economy in the same configuration (but EPA figures say otherwise). It also handles acceleration better, and the Freestyle is a larger, heavier vehicle than the Five Hundred.

    Good fortune on whatever you decide!
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    The added complexity and weight of AWD is better suited with the CVT, rather than the 6Speed. Also, while the CVT is a Ford owned collaboration, while the 6speed units need to be bought from Aisin.

    The CVT has undergone extensive testing, and has been used in a few European vehicles as well, where it's initial design debuted and hasn't been a cause of concern. Unfortunately there's always going to be a few that will fail like any component. Some dealers probably didn't reflash it's computers upon their acceptance provided a TSB was issued.

    The Aisin 6 Speed unit can only take so much of a load, therefore the new GM/Ford JV transmission will debut along with the new Duratec35 for it's increased power.
  • frasierdogfrasierdog Posts: 128
    "The CVT has undergone extensive testing, and has been used in a few European vehicles as well"

    While this may give a Ford engineer a warm fuzzy feeling. The warrantee only covers 36k miles. That only gives me a cold, wrinkled feeling.

    If Ford really believes that this new transmission is just as reliable as a traditional unit, cover it with a 100K mile warrantee. In my mind the CVT is an unknown risk factor.

    I am wondering what the cost difference would be to overhaul a 6sp vs. CVT?

    If I only kept my cars 3 or 4 years I would not care, but I usually drive my cars into the grave.

    My Cougar, MGM and Expedition transmissions have set the bar at 165k trouble free miles. So guess what I expect out of the CVT?
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,451
    ant14 can't guarantee the longevity of any component. does any manufacturer guarantee anything for 150k? it would be great if they would.
  • frasierdogfrasierdog Posts: 128
    In this case I would consider the true total cost ownership to be the purchase price + $2k for a new tranny to make the 150k total vehicle mileage.

    Fords have typically had good trannys, this is just new unproven technology in the US market. Keep in mind, if someone really likes a vehicle, they will overlook almost all the negatives.

    But at $2k extra, the car is less appealing.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    So just as Ford can't guarantee a component for 150,000 miles, in your mind you are going to automatically assume it will fail. Whatever....I will happily drive my CVT and let you know when I have 150,000 miles on it. I already have 28,400. My 00 Impala (bought during its first year of production) had virtually ZERO problems the entire time I owned it--five years and 173.000 miles...

    Remember, Ford can't assume you will properly maintain the vehicle and operate it in a reasonable fashion, either. Many owners don't, including modifying their vehicles, then expect FOMOCO to make them whole when their actions or inactions cause the vehicle to fail....
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    The Escape Hybrid when purchased in a Green State comes with a 10 year 150,000 warranty from Ford on unique hybrid components, including the eCVT transmission.

    Mark
  • navigator89navigator89 Posts: 1,080
    The Ford Five Hundred just placed fourth out of six cars in a recent Car and Driver comparison test. The cars featured were the Buick Lacrosse, Chrysler 300, Kia Amanti, Nissan Maxima and Toyota Avalon.
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