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Ford Five Hundred/Mercury Montego

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  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    The person that typed this up, did not engineer the vehicle I promise you that. One has no relation to another.
  • fdcapt2fdcapt2 Posts: 122
    I've read some articles where they say that even with the small V6, the CVT will give you plenty of power. I still don't understand this concept. Has anyone ever driven a car with a CVT? If so, was it that much different from an automatic tranny? Does the car still have the feel of shifting, or is the tach the only way to tell. As far as the AWD, how much does that affect the overall ride quality. I've driven nothing but front wheel drive cars for as long as they've been around, and was wondering how much different the AWD will make the car feel. I'm worried the AWD will make the ride too rough.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    With CVT, you won't feel the shifts as your used to in a regular step transmission. You will press the gas, the tachometer will shoot up depending on the pressure you place, it'll stay at that revolution, till you easy off the gas.

    This improves acceleration, since loss of power between shifts isn't an issue. If your already AT the speed you need (say 55mph) and you want more power, slam the gas, watch the tach jump up to say 5000RPM, it'll stay there, till you let go and have the desired speed.

    If you want a HINT of how CVT will shift (provided your current car shifts are unperceptably smooth) Crank your radio very loud, and drive as usual... And that sensation of need hearing the engine rev up and down between shifts, will give you an idea.

    Some Ions, Civics, hybrids, Murano, A4, have CVT's in them already you could test drive.

    The AWD for the 500/Freestyle is a Haldex system. It'll only kick in when it senses slip of the driving wheels. So you don't have the usual wear associated with full AWD systems, nor the weight penalty either. Same system used by Volvo.
  • grbeckgrbeck Posts: 2,361
    I just hope Ford worked the bugs out of this transmission. It seems to have more than its share of troubles with its automatics.
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,564
    So does Honda lately.

    Amazingly having driven nothing but Big Three new cars since 1972, the only one I have had a transmission failure with is the first, a 1972 Chevy Malibu. The others, among them two Caravans and two Tauri both models that have been "notorious" for supposed transmission issues, I have no transmission problems, or for that matter no engine/drive train problems either under warranty or after. Just lucky, maybe?
  • grbeckgrbeck Posts: 2,361
    Ford's history of transmission troubles extends much further back in time. I'd hate to see an otherwise attractive vehicle such as the Five Hundred plagued by transmission woes.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Usually it was always the FWD that had issues... My family had only RWD V8 vehicles, and we have never experience any issues with transmissions.
  • fdcapt2fdcapt2 Posts: 122
    Do most AWD vehicles have the same type of make up as far as the mechanics go? Ant, you said something about the Haldex system from Volvo. Will the drive wheels be in the rear? If so is this the usual configuration? Here on Long Island there are times when the AWD will come in handy. I'm wondering what it will feel like when I drive from snow onto dry pavement. I never realized that there were so many cars already using the CVT. I'll check some out tomorrow, thanks to all.....
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    The Haldex system drives the front wheels unless and until slippage is detected...
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    When slippage is detected, it'll send power to the rear wheels, enough to get you out of the problem. When it sees your doing ok, it'll switch back to FWD without you noticing. This happens in milliseconds, so you won't even know it's working.

    The benefits of this system is, it's more fuel efficient than a Fulltime All Wheel drive system. It's simpler in mechanics, and easier to repair if there is an issue. Less strain on the engine and drivetrain. And without the weight penalty of 400-600lbs, like other AWD systems (weights around 140-180 lbs). It's really all most people will ever need.

    Now, take a true All Wheel Drive system (as trucks would use), and it's a much more complex, costly, weight increases system that isn't necessary for a car that's a simple sedan. Trucks have different needs, so they require a different type of All Wheel drive, 4 Wheel drive, etc.

    And then ONCE you get into 4WD and AWD systems, there's differences, depending upon the manufacturer's. There's some All Wheel Drive system that are Full Time, which means they are turning all the wheels, at the same time... And sometimes, they'll turn the rear one's, more than the front one's. (Like X-type), referred to as Rear Wheel Drive biased, BUT it's a full time permanent AWD system.

    Then you must ask, what type of coupling/differential, and how it works. There's some (Subaru and/or VW's I believe) where it'll slip, and send power to even a single wheel if needed.

    Then you have 4WD systems, like Ford's Control Trac. You can control if you want 4WD HI, or Lo Range, Automatic (till it detects slippage) and off if need be. These are more complex systems and adds roughly 300lbs to the vehicle. Obviously, suited for SUV/trucks.
  • jimlockeyjimlockey Posts: 265
    If they would add a rail diesel then they would have a nation wide best car.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    I too would like a diesel version, although many manufacturer's are a bit hesitant till the legislation protects such an investment, and lower sulphur fuel is introduced nationwide.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Of course, I've not driven a car with CVT, but I do have a Quad (4 wheeler to some) with a CVT, and another with a standard 5 speed. I can tell you that the CVT is the best climber I've ever seen, has as much power with a smaller engine, as the 5 speed quad has with a larger motor, and will go just as fast. The only downside to the CVT IMO, is that they tend to rev a lot starting up, but once they're engaged, they get darn efficient.

    As to the AWD vs. FWD, I wouldn't worry. I have had 3 2WD Mountaineers, and then on this last one, an 04, I sort of had to take an AWD model, and it drives actually better than the others. Certainly, doesn't ride any worse, possibly better. It's more sure footed, but in this climate, it rarely gets used. If anything, the AWD will eliminate the torque steer from the FWD model, which is a real plus to me.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    Yesterday was 12 July. The day production was to have begun in Chicago for the Five Hundred. Provided the union did not have a work stoppage, of which there was talk.

    This article, in today's Detroit News, says the Five Hundred will go into production this summer. Not that it began yesterday:

    http://www.detnews.com/2004/autosinsider/0407/13/a01-210687.htm

    Quote: The Atlanta plant also will be able to build Ford’s new flagship sedan, the Five-Hundred, which will go into production this summer in Chicago. Unquote.

    So, did production begin yesterday? Or not?

    Curious minds want to know.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    John, it's going well. The line is starting up VERY slow to make sure there isn't a launch fiasco. Everyone has been instructed that if something doesn't look right, then just STOP the line, and call one of the higher up's to make sure they are doing it right and all is running smoothing.
  • fdcapt2fdcapt2 Posts: 122
    It says here that they have started up the lines for the 500/Montego. Does anyone know if this is fact ? If so, when will the cars be available, or maybe the brochures. I've been doing a lot of research on the CVT, and it looks good to me. If I decide to buy one of these cars, I'm almost positive I'll get the CVT. I just hope I don't regret it. Part of me wants to get either of these cars now, and the other part says to wait for the new engine, with better horsepower. I'm dying to test drive these cars to feel how it drives with the new suspension, etc. I'm hoping for the good luck I had when I bought a Mercury Sable LS, back when they made the first real body change. Not the one where it looked like a fishbowl. I think it was 1992. That car was amazing, ride wise, and comfortable as hell. It was my first Mercury after only having Fords. It was truly a great car. Maybe I'll get lucky again....
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    and then in 2-3 years, I'd get another one with the upgraded engine. Gives me something to look forward to. But then again, that's why I'm in the Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous forum too.....

    In 92, I was driving an 87 Sable, and was sniffing around the L/M dealership one night at a 92 Sable with a wing on the back. Still not sure how it happened, but I left with a Continental.
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,508
    Love it!!!!!!!!!!!!
    - Ray
    Who is clearly (and sadly) in need of joining . . .
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    So far everything is up and running quite well. Some people will freak over the CVT and how foreign it might feel to them. The vehicles are nearly dead silent at 70MPH and much of that is attributed to the tight design. Doors close with a reassuring thunk. Whole body feels quite tight which translates into good handling.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I hope it's as good as it sounds, because it's not going to draw much of a crowd standing still, from the pics I've seen so far.
  • fdcapt2fdcapt2 Posts: 122
    Ant, thanks for the constant input on these new cars. It has helped me, and probably others, in our research. I'm just wondering how you get such detailed info. The statement about the CVT makes me even more excited. That would be a first for me, and probably many others to drive a car at that speed and hear almost nothing. I wonder how these cars will stack up in ride and noise against the big boys, Lexus, etc. These cars are sounding better and better. Is there a certain site we can check to see what's going on with the initial production, and where I might find some reviews. Any help would be appreciated
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    I wish there were such a site, unfortunately there isn't. Look for Camry/ES330 hushness.
  • fdcapt2fdcapt2 Posts: 122
    I was wondering if anyone had any news on what's up with these cars. I know they're being produced, but when might they hit the showrooms? Ant, you drove one of these already? Or did someone tell you about the quiet ride they offer? Things must be really bad, at least in the New York City metro area. The deals that they offer now are insane. Ford was offering $7000 off on a new Freestar, and all kinds of other deals. The dealers here on Long Island all seem to be loaded with cars. I got an invite to a Mercury dealership to stop in, test drive a car, and you get $75. Also you are entered in a contest to win some really cool prizes, as well as big bucks off on any car. I wonder what this huge backup of cars will do to the prices on the 500/Montego. It will be an interesting Fall to see how much they offer.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    The Freestar has it's own issues. Priced high and not as competitive as other's would like it to be, hence, Large rebates.

    So far everything is fine in the home of the 500....
  • fdcapt2fdcapt2 Posts: 122
    Any new info on our heart throbs? I don't remember being so worked up about something since Christmas 1958. I tried to figure out Post #933's info on the production figures. Way out of my league trying to come up with an answer. I was checking out another forum called MYFord500.com. Some minor things that I picked up, but nothing earth shattering. It has a bunch of forums on the interior, colors, exterior, etc. Does anyone know of anymore sites like this?? Maybe one called mymontego.com?? Thanks.....
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    Time for the frequent question...

    Many, many weeks ago I asked when the press embargo on this car would be over.

    The answer? Two weeks, I was told.

    So, many two weekses over, I now ask again.

    When can we expect to see reviews, more information, etc., on this car?
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Next month issues of a few automotive mags...
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Two Weeks. :)
  • fsmmcsifsmmcsi Posts: 792
    What do you think will be the zero to sixty time? My best estimate is 8.6 seconds.

    The best-accelerating version will be the front wheel drive with the six speed automatic, since the overall first gear ratio will be 14.359, and it has 6 gears, allowing it to keep the engine at its torque peak without big jumps between gears.

    Taking that one step further, it means 207 foot pounds x 14.359 = 2,972 foot pounds will be available to move 3,643 pounds of car, or 1 foot pound for every 1.2256 pounds of car.

    By the way, one post long ago I mentioned that the Navigator may feel far faster than it is, but did not mean to say anything negative about another member who owns one.

    I am back to looking at the Five Hundred because I have concluded that I really would rather have a work car with cargo separate from passengers, meaning a car or pickup, and that I would far rather have a car than a truck (although Honda's upcoming car-truck may be interesting). The huge trunk of the Five Hundred is a rear advantage. Because they were fixated on the European 5 meter length, the trunk of the Chrysler 300 is just not very big. The Magnum wagon is nice and an excellent value, but not if you don't want a wagon.
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