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Ford Five Hundred/Mercury Montego

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  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    I've got 22,500 miles on my SEL AWD now, and I, too, am pleased. I have often gotten 31mpg on the highway, which I think is astounding for an AWD car this size and weight.

    I am not sure what I will do when the new 3.5L is available. I suspect I will trade, but not if it means I have to give up my CVT. I love that thing. It's a hoot to drive!
  • donl1donl1 Posts: 109
    I have only 3K on my LTD AWD. Struggling to get much over 20 mpg. Fairly conservative driving. Dealer says it will get better after 5 to 6K on it. Was this your experience or has yours always been good on gas? This and a few other quirks have me wondering if this car is what I wanted in an AWD sedan. :confuse:
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    My mileage has steadily improved, it began at about 25mpg on the road.

    The car definitely does NOT like cold weather. I get much better mileage when the weather does not go below 40 degrees F.
  • samnoesamnoe Posts: 731
    The review is new, but nothing new info there, just the plain old basics.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    Well, for those who have wanted/dreaded, here they are:

    http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0505/15/D01-181639.htm
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    Interesting article about design philosophy at Ford, including the Five Hundred:

    http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7856251/site/newsweek/
  • curt2005curt2005 Posts: 70
    Are there any functional differences between the 500 and the Montego?

    The brochures imply that the only differences are cosmetic: LED taillights, waterfall grille, interior trim, and option packages.

    Is anyone who has driven them both or who has access to service info able to comment on suspension, sound insulation, or any other differences?

    (It is clear from the brochures that the Freestyle has a different rear suspension vs the 500.)

    Thanks!
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    The SEL and Limited versions of Five Hundred have the same level of insulation as Montego...the SE version has less. The Montego also has HID headlights, in addition to the things you mention. I consider that functional (or, disfunctional, depending on one's viewpoint...)
  • buckwheatbuckwheat Posts: 396
    May 13, 2005, 3:31 PM ET by Walter J Keegan Jr.
    http://www.autoblog.com/

    In some ways this is great news. The 3.5-liter Duratec engine is ready for the CD3 sedans next year. The 2007 versions of the Lincoln Zephyr, Mercury Milan and Ford Fusion will all have the 3.5 as optional engines.

    Now here’s the bad news: If Ford continues with these dates, the D3 Chicago cars: Five Hundred, Montego and Freestlye will not see a boost in horsepower until the 2008 model year when the cars get a face lift.

    Personally we feel the three vehicles are just about right for the 3.0-liter engine, but a higher-powered option would be welcomed. We just hoped it would happen before 2008.
  • jcat707jcat707 Posts: 168
    In the article posted above, it said that the Taurus was being replaced with 3 different models. All I could think of were two models: the Five Hundred and the Fusion. What is the third model? Were they talking about the Fusion, Milan, and Zephyr?
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Survey respondants rated the 500, tied with the Maxima in the large car segment...

    http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0505/16/0auto-182558.htm
  • curt2005curt2005 Posts: 70
    I drove a Hertz rental SE in a hurry for about 30 miles on surface streets and freeway. Didn't notice anything odd or noisy about the transmission. Realized when I got to my destination that I had the CVT because it had only park, reverse, and drive on the shift plate!

    Didn't find the engine noisy due to always running at high RPM, as some reviewers complain.

    Didn't have trouble with acceleration getting on freeway, as most reviewers claim. (Test-drove a Lexus ES which hesitated. Test-drove a Cadillac CTS which was rather ponderous.)

    The reviewers seem to copy each other and criticize or praise the same stuff. The "number of dead bodies in the trunk" gag, the supposedly tiny engine, the "dull exterior" refrain.

    Saw this problem on reviews of many car makes and models.

    However, the wood appliques on fancier models are tacky. The analog clock is nearly useless.

    The Cadillac, did however, have better reception of hissy multipath FM stations -- maybe it has a diversity antenna.
  • curt2005curt2005 Posts: 70
    johnclineii said: "The SEL and Limited versions of Five Hundred have the
    same level of insulation as Montego...the SE version has less."

    Thank you very much!

    That makes sense. There is certainly nothing in the Montego brochure to imply that it has more quieting. (Whereas the Buick Ranier makes a big deal of the quieting -- other GM versions of the same truck do not talk about it.)

    Yes, I forgot the HID headlights, guess that is an advantage.
  • curt2005curt2005 Posts: 70
    Things that bugged me in Montego Premier test drive...

    1. Radio control on the steering wheel does a scan rather than jumping to the next preset. Why would anyone want to jump to the next screaming rock station rather than to their next selected preset station? Designed for rental cars?

    2. Sunroof causes domelight/sunglass holder assembly to be mounted lower, therefore blocking the top of the rear view mirror. Not a problem on the rental 500 with no sunroof.

    3. Lumbar adjustment was uncomfortable in any position.

    They seem to be particularly proud of the lumbar feature. It is listed twice on the specs on the website

    8-way power driver’s seat with manual lumbar
    4-way power passenger’s seat
    Audiophile Sound System with AM/FM stereo/6-disc in-dash CD changer with MP3 capability
    Leather interior trim
    Driver’s seat with power recline and manual lumbar
    Driver’s seat with memory
    Front passenger’s seat with manual lumbar

    These three things are distinctly weird! What other weird things am I missing?
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    I honestly wouldn't know what other "weird" things you are missing. I've been too busy driving and enjoying my AWD SEL Five Hundred. I now have 23,500 miles, with an upcoming trip to New Jersey then Alabama then Florida then back to West Virginia coming up next. Perhaps I will finally notice something weird then.

    I certainly have not noticed any problems with the lumbar support.

    The car comes with an FM radio? What's that for? Well, there was this thing that it didn't come with Sirius, but I had it installed and have lived happily ever after...
  • savethelandsavetheland Posts: 671
    I do not know about 500, but on my Sable lumbar support designed wrong. Basically it is useless.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    JDPower rated the Ford 500, "runner up" in the large sedan segment, for initial quality.

    http://www.jdpower.com/news/releases/iqs2005069.asp
  • shocasershocaser Posts: 36
    Has anyone heard if Ford is thinking of a 500 SHO version? I owned my '94 Taurus SHO for 10 years and it was one of the best cars I have owned.
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,565
    I really doubt it will ever come to pass. The market size is much too limited for large performance sedans and I doubt if Ford will consider it for this segment. I would bet once the novelty wears off, Chrysler's 300C Hemi and Dodge Magnum Hemi will also end up finding a pretty small market as well. Even in the long run it is questionable whether the bling of these two will sustain their sales once the novelty of the styling wears off.

    It is very difficult to find a sustained mass market for a large performance sedan at a price that anyone can afford.

    I could possibly see a SVT or ST version of Fusion when it comes out, but more likely the performance freaks will be more attracted to Mustang and Focus and perhaps some entry level Mercurys and Lincolns on the Horizon.
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,565
    Looks like at least on the JDP initial quality survey, 500 is right up there near the top of its class, which is a good sign, especially when considering that except for the proven engine, this is virtually a new design and a majorly reworked plant in Chicago.

    In the past it has seemed many of the cars that rate towards the top have been those models that have at least 2-3 years (or sometimes much more like Buick Century/Regal) of stablized production under their belt so all the bugs are worked out.

    Of course, this is just an initial quality survey and we will need a few years before the longer term numbers arrive from JDP and CR, but so far so good for 500.
  • jimlockeyjimlockey Posts: 265
    The 500 needs one thing. A diesel engine that would allow it to average 30 MPG. With this Ford would have the number one car on the market.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    I disagree. There's nothing about consumer behavior in the past 15-20 years that indicates today's buyers would favor a Five Hundred diesel enough to make it the "number one" car on the market. Diesel prices certainly arent low, and many gas stations still don't offer this fuel type. Its not like Ford is rolling in cash reserves, so I dont know that a diesel Five Hundred would be the best bet. I think the current track of offering the new 3.5L is about right, at least for now.

    ~alpha
  • buckwheatbuckwheat Posts: 396
    "I think the current track of offering the new 3.5L is about right, at least for now."

    Alpha if the information in post 2610 is reliable/accurate MY2008 is still a good ways off and catch-up will be even more difficult..
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    There won't be an SVT 500 as of this moment, those resources will be better used for the Ford Fusion. Plus it requires less engineering to do it on the Fusion, than the 500 which would require more extensive work totransform it's suspension for a viable SVT product one.

    If you want an "SVT" 500, look for a Lincoln sedan instead, debuting in 2 years...

    Also...

    The IQS also shows that even if the 500 and Mustang, are new products, it puts down the "Don't buy on the first year because of all the glitches" myth. GM did well having numerous vehicles show up on those segments, but unfortunately for them... you would hope that a vehicle that have been produced for 5+ years, already have most of the bugs worked out.

    Next month we'll see another reliability survey, from JDPower.
  • shocasershocaser Posts: 36
    Is Lincoln coming out in 2 years with a sedan based on the 500? I am 6' 5" tall, so the size of the vehicle is very important to me, for leg room and head room. I think that the Fusion is going to be too small, as well as the Zephyr.

    I would consider a new Cadillac, but the entire Cadillac line lacks head room. I have tried the CTS, SRX, Seville and even Deville. No head room! Very frustrating.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    There will be 2 sedans, a LS replacement and Town Car replacement, both built upon the 500's platform, be available with AWD and V8's of course. One will be much sportier than the other.
  • shocasershocaser Posts: 36
    Would these come out in 2007 as 2008 model year vehicles? Sounds very intriguing. I like the LS, but do not fit because of the leg and hip room. I look forward to Lincoln coming out with some new and, hopefully, stylish sedans. Thanks for the info.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    In 07, as 08MY vehicles... You can try the LS forum, and scroll back and discuss more about it... here, I won't be able to say much since it's related to the 500.
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