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Ford Five Hundred/Mercury Montego

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  • bruneau1bruneau1 Posts: 468
    Drive the Milan and the Montego on the same day. I did that and here are my observations: the Milan seems a little more sporty if you like that, but the Montego rides better and feels more substantial because it is. Seat height is more comfortable in the Montego and overall there is much more room. Remember their engines are the same Duratech with different tuning. I have a Taurus and a Freestyle and I would go for the Montego. But this is a matter of personal taste and only you can make that decision.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    Of the Milan and the Montego, one has a much better crashtest result from the IIHS than the other...

    They really are totally different cars. Only you can decide what it is you want...
  • fsmmcsifsmmcsi Posts: 792
    If you have $10,500 cash, it seems like an excellent price for what is, at 17,000 miles, essentially a new car, especialy if you like it.

    The Fusion / Milan / Zephyr feel larger in the front seating area than the Five Hundred / Montego to me, especially since they have more footwell space, a narrower center console, and a telescoping steering wheel.

    A column shifter and 40-20-40 front seat are available on the Chevrolet Impala, Buick Lucerne, and Cadillac DTS. Back at Ford, the Crown Victoria, Grand Marquis, and Town Car also still offer a column shifter, but they have the poor ride and lack of good handling which goes with their solid rear axles. The Impala is the only one which also offers a back seat which folds down, and it is an unusually nice design, giving a flat floor from the back of the trunk to the back of the front seats.
  • evandroevandro Posts: 1,108
    Remember their engines are the same Duratech with different tuning.

    Actually, the difference is more than just different tuning, the Fusion's has VVT but not the 500's.
  • slider7slider7 Posts: 33
    Has anyone experienced "piston slap" on start up in their brand new Fords this winter? Some Avalon owners are! :P In the long run, might be glad I didn't wait for the Duratech 35 that might come in 2008. We'll see what Bill Ford has to say on January 23rd.
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,564
    Just what does piston slap in Toyota Avalons have to do with Ford?

    I have not heard of a piston slap issue on of any Ford engines in recent history-say the last 20 years or so. None on my Duratech equipped 2000 Taurus which is nearly the same engine as in the Five Hundred.
  • gene_vgene_v Posts: 235
    Isn't it rediculous that we have to wait until 2008 for the Duretec 35. Hyundai is running circles around
    Ford with their v6's. They better get it in gear.
    I'm a ford person but getting upset with the slow death of Ford.
  • slider7slider7 Posts: 33
    Manners! Glad no one so far has had issues.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    What are you talking about? The Milan hasnt been tested by the IIHS? Nor has a standard Montego w/o side curtains...

    ~alpha
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    The reference to IIHS is incorrect. Thanks for catching that. The Fusion/Milan haven't had crash test results from the IIHS.

    However, the Fusion/Milan did only get Four stars from the government...as compared to Five for the Five Hundred (and that's without side airbags).
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Well, here's another correction- how are you comparing the side impact score of the Montego to the Milan? The Milan hasnt been tested in the side impact by NHTSA.

    ~alpha
  • fsmmcsifsmmcsi Posts: 792
    Does anyone have any information on when the redesigned models will be shown? Perhaps at the Chicago or New York auto shows? Of course, the real question beyond that is when will they be available for purchase?
  • gene_vgene_v Posts: 235
    You post here frequently and are more knowledgable than most. Ford will to tell until close to the event in 2007. They still want to sell the current model :( .
  • fsmmcsifsmmcsi Posts: 792
    It is a balancing act. They want to sell the curent version, but let's not ignore the other side of the scale - there are other buyers who will wait, instead of buying a vehicle from some other manufacturer, once they know what is coming from Ford.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    That is not the next Five Hundred or Montego. It's just some editor's pretty bad guess.

    Don't despair.
  • alman08alman08 Posts: 282
    it wouldn't be a bad idea.
  • gene_vgene_v Posts: 235
    I like the style of the current Five Hundred. I hope there is not a drstic change. I am waiting for the Duretec 35.
    I could use more footroom also. :)
  • fsmmcsifsmmcsi Posts: 792
    It seems that most of us agree that the exterior of the Five Hundred & Montego need few, if any changes. A different grille will probably not bother any of us, and I think the Montego needs a better grille more than the Five Hundred. It also seems that most of us agree that the back end of both cars is just fine, and that Ford must avoid doing anything to make the trunk or trunk opening smaller.

    It also seems that most of us agree that the interior is where Ford really needs to concentrate their efforts - widen the foot and leg space for the driver, add a telescoping function to the steering column, add satellite radio as a factory option, and add other options and features which other brand flagship cars offer, but which are missing (e.g. dimming exterior mirrors, Bluetooth, rain-sensing wipers, and such which the Chrysler 300 and/or Buick Lucerne, amongst others, offer).

    Since it is now being reported (Detroit News) that the new 3.5 V6 and new Ford-Gm six speed automatic will initially be offered in the Zephyr (or MK-whatever) and not the Fusion and Milan, maybe Ford has come to their senses adn realized that the ehavier Five Hundred / Montego / Freestyle need it more than those smaller cars?
  • gene_vgene_v Posts: 235
    The Five Hundred can't compete with the Hyundai Azera.
    Unbelievable car loaded with standard features. Its what a flagship car should be. :sick: :sick:
  • fsmmcsifsmmcsi Posts: 792
    Let's see - The Hyundai does not have all wheel drive, does not have a huge trunk, does not have a Gold safety rating from the Insurance Institute For Highway Safety, and does have the reasale value of Hyundai. Yes, it has features the Five Hundred and Montego need to have available NOW (e.g. rain sensing wipers).
  • gene_vgene_v Posts: 235
    I thought I would get a rise. Just having fun. You miss a lot of things. Eight airbags are standard, as are electronic stability control, traction control, antilock brakes with electronic brake-force distribution and active front seat head restraints. A 16.6 cu ft trunk is not small. It has more headroom than a 500 40.2 vs 39.4. It has more legroom 43.7 vs 41.2. And it is not underpowered with a 3,8 liter cvvt 260 HP engine. And it is quiet inside.
    Then there is the interior - it beats the 500 hands down.
    Sound system is awesome.
    Just go look at it.
  • fsmmcsifsmmcsi Posts: 792
    I just lumped everything into one category - features. I have sat in Azeras at the car shows and felt the interior was cheap and flimsy. Given the price of the Five Hundred and Montego, Ford just can not afford to stay so far behind so many competitors when it comes to features. The Azera, Avalon, Chrysler 300, and even new Camry exceed it by a wide margin when it comes to features, and the 300 even also offers AWD. The Volvo S80 and Lincoln Mark S will probably have a long and even more impressive list of features, but those cars will sell in far smaller volumes than the Five Hundred and Montego could and should, so it seems that Ford has their priorities reversed.
  • pnewbypnewby Posts: 277
    :confuse: I agree about the features, both standard and optional. If anyone from Ford is watching, they probably won't care since I stayed in a Ford brand, but I didn't buy a newer LS than my late 99, 2000 model because instead of having more features in '05, they had fewer. I'm one of those "unusual" guys that looked at the '05 LS and said, "No rain sensing wipers?" I may as well buy something less expensive and get as moany or more features. Decided th AWD on my Freestyle was a good deal.
  • gene_vgene_v Posts: 235
    "Given the price of the Five Hundred and Montego, Ford just can not afford to stay so far behind so many competitors when it comes to features."

    Thats my point in posting about the Azera.

    I thought the interior was great. Some analysts have compared the fit and finish of the Azera with BMW series 3.

    One of the biggest criticisms about the Five Hundred on this thread is the drivers comfort. "The Ultimate Package ($2500) includes the sunroof and stereo plus power adjustable pedals and tilt-and-telescope steering wheel, memory for the driver's seat, mirrors, and steering column, rain-sensing wipers and power folding outside mirrors." Headroom and legroom exceed the Five Hundred.

    Then there is the power and noise issue that is brought up on this thread so much. The Azera is REALLY QUIET.

    I am not in the market for a car for two more years. I have had numerous Ford, Mercury and Lincoln products and currently have a Windstar. I wouuld like to continue wwith Ford but it is getting difficult to justify.

    The newer enhanced Five Hundred better be on the mark.
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    "I am not in the market for a car for two more years. I have had numerous Ford, Mercury and Lincoln products and currently have a Windstar. I would like to continue with Ford but it is getting difficult to justify."

    Apparently, you are not alone. The sales of Ford products, other than the Mustang and F150 are poor at best.

    The 500 was ordered for a "redesign" almost right after it hit the streets. The design of the 500 at best is boring, when compared to others. And of course, the CVT transmission was a poor idea from the start. Not that there is anything inherently wrong with them, but public acceptance has been poor. I drive an '05 Taurus (company car) that I picked up brand new-what a joke it is!
  • With the best dealerships in the business you would think Ford would work much harder to put out a better car. I'm not saying the 500 is all bad, but it would get a whole lot better fuel mileage if you added a diesel about the same size as the Passat TDI. The 500 is better than the highly touted Fusion. The 500 has a much better automatic transmission than the Fusion. The Jetta is a little smaller with the same transmission but with a diesel option. What I'm saying is Europe has much better cars that get much better mileage.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    Europe also has widespread diesel availability, MUCH higher gas prices, and much cleaner diesel fuel that makes it easier to meet emissions standards. There are almost NO diesel cars for sale in the US right now. There is a reason.
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,650
    My wife picked up her 06 500 company car a few weeks ago. It replaced her 03 Taurus company car. I agree the Taurus is terrible. While it was reliable it was horrible to drive, just way to slow, felt cheap, rattled etc.

    The 500 is a nice car (makes a great company car anyway). It still lacks the refinement and pep of a v6 Accord or Camry, but the car itself seems nice and the overall interior and truck space is impressive.

    Some of the interior parts seem overly cheap, but overall it seems solid. My biggest complaint is with the Duratec 3.O. It's gutless at low rpm and thrashes crudely at high rpm. It has to be the worst DOHC v6 I've ever driven, Toyota and Nissan had smoother v6s 20 years ago. I do like the CVT, it allows for peppy performance once underway and you don't have to the gear hunting some Ford transmissions have been known for. My wife only keeps her company cars for 2 years or 50k miles, so the CVT should last that long I'd hope.
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