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2005 Toyota 4Runner

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  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    "Your "don't buy a RAV4" comment is shortsighted and is not the way to improve life on the planet."

    Its only as shortsighted as the comment you made regarding the RAV4 w/o curtains being a "death trap". Most of its competitors lack the availability of a seat mounted thoracic bag coupled with side curtains.. actually... I cant think of a single competitor that offers this. You can get side curtains in the Equinox and VUE, but no chest protection, you can get a head/chest airbag in the Escape and Forester, but nothing for the rear seat, etc. Are those vehicles all death traps too? And what about the RAV4s STANDARD stability control. One could argue that you're much less likely to be involved in a fatal rollover because of this system, but I suppose youre not interested in that?

    If youd really like a RAV4 with side curtains and airbags, Id recommend shooting an email to all the dealers in your area telling them that you want to buy a RAV4, but will not accept one without this safety feature. Toyota does allow for "preferencing" of vehicles, and if the dealer wants your business, it will work for you.

    You could always try to contact a non-SET dealership and purchase the vehicle out of state.

    ~alpha
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,653
    rsholland, it would probably just be easier to admit that you made a mistake on the 4WD issue in the deep south, man.

    I would if I believed that to be the case.

    Bob
  • jcliffrojcliffro Posts: 108
    I did do that with all area dealers with regard to the 4Runner. Good idea and I hope your comment will inspire others to do the same. Having been awakened in the middle of the night to be told that my only sibling was killed in an auto accident has made me a much more vocal consumer advocate in this area.

    rsholland, no sense continuing this discussion with you further. I think it obvious who knows more about what consumers in Memphis in New Orleans desire...2 guys who live there versus someone like you who lives a thousand miles away. you must be a lawyer or something else equally irritating (making a ridiculous argument as devil's advocate).
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,653
    1% of 4Runners sold in the south are 4WD. Do you really expect me to believe that?

    sbell4 Jul 30, 2004 10:57am

    I live in Maryland, not exactly a southern state, but not northern either. By far more 4Runners sold here are 4WD.

    Bob
  • jcliffrojcliffro Posts: 108
    I don't see how VSC would help if someone runs a red light and smashes into the side of one's vehicle. And I prefer a 4Runner to a RAV4. I merely mentioned the recent side crash result of the RAV4 as evidence that a 4Runner equipped with side air bags and air curtains would be much safer than one without and that consumers should be offered more models with that safety feature. Having been awakened in the middle of the night to be told that my only sibling was killed in a car crash has made me a much stronger consumer advocate of vehicle safety.

    rsholland, I think it clear who knows more about what consumers in New Orleans and Memphis demand and your earlier comment to the guy from Memphis that you "don't believe for a moment" his report of what consumers in Memphis desire was pompous and uninformed. end of story.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,653
    Lighten up. If you expect me to believe only 1% of 4Runners sold in the south are 4WD, then you're the one who's got a screw loose, not me.

    How 'bout we get back on topic ('05 4Runners, remember?), as this discussion is currently heading for the back ally?

    Bob
  • jcliffrojcliffro Posts: 108
    You live in Maryland. You don't have the slightest idea about the percentage of 4WD vehicles sold in New Orleans. You have more than just a screw loose. So you go lighten up.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,653
    Do you honestly believe that only 1% of the 4Runners sold in New Orleans are 4WD?

    Bob
  • jcliffrojcliffro Posts: 108
    I have been looking at 4Runners for over 2 years. I know that somewhere in the neighborhood of 98% of 4Runners sold in New Orleans are 2WD, not 4WD. I am not going to answer any more questions about this. I do not have to substantiate what I know. You made an error in questioning someone who knew what he was talking about and weren't man enough to admit he was wrong. As I said, end of story.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,653
    and I still don't believe you—and it has nothing to do with being man enough to admitting an error. I simply don't believe you. 10% - 15% maybe? That I might believe, but 1% or 2% no way. End of story.

    Bob
  • jcliffrojcliffro Posts: 108
    OK, but I enjoyed sparring with you. And don't forget to order your 4WD 4Runner with side air bags and air curtains. It could save your life and/or that of your family members.
  • I would like to thank those who have provided info regarding the new 2005 4Runner. I live in Southern California and almost found it impossible to locate a 2004 Sport 4x4 V-8. Of course the color choices were slim and there wasn't a sport with side curtains to be found.

    I ultimately settled on a silver one and ordered it over two months ago. I have been considering cancelling in anticipation of the 2005. I would prefer a red or true blue color. Also, if you're going to encourage offroading it seems to me that including the side air bags would make sense.

    As a retired officer I know firsthand the value in airbags. The more the better. As for other preferences, I agree with some kind of IPOD attachment hard wired like the BMW X5. A TRD package with a raise, tires, supercharger would be great. It would save me the trouble of doing it after the fact.

    Lastly, I know the center console is positioned toward the driver but I would have preferred it to be evenly positioned. It would be more aesthetic and still reachable.
  • jcliffrojcliffro Posts: 108
    William, do you know about how much over dealer cost you paid on the order of your Sport? And, correct me if I am wrong, but Toyota never pays a rebate on special orders like that, correct? And so glad you are putting another SAB/SAC vehicle on the road. Obviously, if everyone were as conscientious and demanded them, they would either be standard or would appear on more models in inventory.
  • It was 500 over cost. At the time there was only 0% for the loan - not bad. However, I have decided to cancel and wait for the 2005's later this year. In fact, I have a call in to cancel my order for the 2004 right now.

    For the amount, I want to get it just the way I want it!
  • Instead of bickering, you could just go to www.toyotacenter.com and run some searches to see what's available in the Southeast. That searches the entire Southeast sales region retail inventory, so nothing is left out (except fleet sales).

    -Andrew L
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    I am truly sorry that anyone has to experience something like you did, and I certainly understand your point about getting the safest vehicle possible. Still, the fact remains that the RAV4 and/or 4Runner w/o side curtains are not in the least "death traps". And my point about VSC was not that it would prevent fatality in a side impact, but that it would significantly lower the chances of rollover, and the subsequent and often serious- injury that can accompany that event.

    ~alpha
  • The info here is good. Salsa Red will be available. V-8 not due until November.
  • jcliffrojcliffro Posts: 108
    We will just have to agree to disagree. When a manufacturer makes a product it knows can cause serious injury or death while it has the technology to eliminate that injury or death at relatively little cost and fails to do so, I think it makes the manufacturer's actions reprehensible. Toyota knows full well that NO RAV4s or SR5 and Sport 4Runners in Southern California or the entire Gulf States area are being made available to consumers. It also has the test results of from the Insurance Institute. Whether this continued refusal to provide models with side air bags is the fault of their tiered structure with an intermediary between it and the dealers doesn't matter to me. They should either pressure that intermediary to accept more vehicles with that option or it should just make them standard equipment with an option to delete. That would cure the problem, save lives and probably sell more vehicles. I don't think it will be long before a lawyer figures this out, makes the argument and sues Toyota for injuries sustained by a client in a side impact crash. I know which way I would vote if I were on such a jury.
  • markjennmarkjenn Posts: 1,142
    Wow. You are arguing that a car mfg is not only responsible for the safety of their product, but is also responsible to always provide the product with every safety option readily available. Wow.

    With this argument, mfgs would be forced to make every possible safety option mandatory because one could always argue that any car shipped without a safety option was a car that was unsafe.

    Why don't we all just give the lawyers half our earnings and be done with it without all this trouble?

    Mfgs build a dizzying array of products these days. If you don't like the product Toyota is selling, buy something else.

    - Mark
  • toyboxxtoyboxx Posts: 150
    I have to completely agree with your post.

    Make your choice and then take personal resposibility for it.
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