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Acura RL vs. Acura TL

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  • frisconickfrisconick Posts: 1,275
    I didn't feel the RL had any more room than the TL, and the RL cost so much more :surprise:
  • taxesquiretaxesquire Posts: 681
    uh-oh, Nick, you're talking to yourself!!! :surprise:
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Wait till he starts arguing with himself! :P
  • frisconickfrisconick Posts: 1,275
    LOL, I did tell myself to shut up once :P

    But the RL is not roomier than the TL, so shut up, no you shut up. :cry:
  • Hmmm...whaddaya think of this random musing:

    Honda is secretly developing an 8 cylindar engine for the RL. Once they do, they'll reincarnate the RL as a full-sized 8 cyl sedan with 1 trim-level. Simultaneous to that, the TL will be changed to 3 trim levels:

    The base model, which is what we have now (nav optional).
    A TL-R which is the luxury model using the current TLs body with the RLs 300 HP, softer ride, AWD and nav system included (AT only)
    A TL-S with the current TLs body and tight suspension, RLs current 300 HP engine and AWD (nav optional).

    I think this is a great idea - hope someone at Honda/Acura is thinking about it, too!!!
  • I hope they don't, their maketing technique works fine the way it is.

    All they need to do is minor improvement to both the RL and TL
  • frisconickfrisconick Posts: 1,275
    I have been told by Acura dealers that the RL looks too much like an Accord and does not sell that good, so the exterior styling must change drastically, much like the TL changed to a much sportier look. The RL does not have to look sportier, but much different than the Accord. Really, from the side the RL and Accord are almost identical. :cry:
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I think both of you should shut up! :P

    (You may have to change your handle from frisconick to schizonick!) ;)
  • frisconickfrisconick Posts: 1,275
    LOL :cry: :P :blush:

    But really, Acura must radically change the styling of the RL if they are going to charge 50k for a car that looks too much like an Accord. :cry:
  • Drive a RL and Accord back to back, the difference is Dr.Jeckle and Mr.Hyde.

    I test drove the RL twice and boy this car rides sweet, a little softer than the TL but worlds apart from the Accord.
  • I test drove the RL twice and boy this car rides sweet, a little softer than the TL but worlds apart from the Accord.

    A good friend just bought a TL and I've never particularly cared for the ride, though I hadn't ridden in it much. Yesterday, we spent about an hour total driving around. The TL's ride is a lot choppier than the RL. We felt every bump in the road. It was very similar to the TSX I had as a loaner the last time. Another disadvantage to the TL - the scoop in front is so low, he has to really watch parking bumper guards, driveways, etc. The scoop hits on a lot of things I wouldn't think twice about in my RL.

    As far as comparisons to the Accord, it may look like a very close relative to the Accord, but there is NO comparison to the RL, in my opinion.
  • delmar1delmar1 Posts: 744
    Yes....each of the cars have a different ride 'character' as they are each geared for a different driver. Would most characterize the TL as choppy? It was intended to be a tighter ride. And does it drive like a TSX....no.

    As for the scoop you were mentioning...I haven't seen any TL with scuffed bottoms and noses.

    The description reminds me of Hans Christian Andersen's The Princess and the Pea. Is there any all around correct ride...no...all personal preference.
  • frisconickfrisconick Posts: 1,275
    Oh I agree the RL is an excellent car, I am just saying the exterior styling is very much like an Accord which may turn people off. Additionally, I have been told that if you get a better brand of tires than the stock tires on a TL, the ride is much smoother. However, I must add, the TL ride is supposed to very different than the RL..
  • As for the scoop you were mentioning...I haven't seen any TL with scuffed bottoms and noses.

    Well, unless there are an awful lot of very careful TL drivers, they're out there. Three times on our outing Monday, the scoop touched bottom. Once on an angled driveway and twice on parking bumper guards. The bumper guards were of normal height and would have been a problem, but he was aware of the scoop and drove in very slowly until he just barely touched.
  • delmar1delmar1 Posts: 744
    Ahhh...hate to tell you what you heard. Perhaps you are unaware as you are not a TL owner.

    What you heard is the little hard rubber air dam which sits under the nose of the car....which is engineered to flex and pretty much indestructable. Reason is that the car is taunt and lower to reflect its sports tendencies....and the air dam intentionally lower to improve air flow management.

    The air dam touching parking guards is not uncommon in other sports cars I had...and never broke one. And the air dam is not visible and will not have any visual damage. No damage to painted surfaces as you guessed.
  • I did not mean to say the TL ride is soft.
    Because of the sports tuned suspension, the ride on the TL tends to be firmer.
  • What you heard is the little hard rubber air dam which sits under the nose of the car....which is engineered to flex and pretty much indestructable. Reason is that the car is taunt and lower to reflect its sports tendencies....and the air dam intentionally lower to improve air flow management.

    Well, I won't argue with you. However, I do know that my 99RL had a similar setup and I broke the plastic twice on high curbs.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    If you get it caught on one of those metal ties that anchor the concrete curb, then you could damage the rubber air dam or the front apron. (A friend's mother actually backed into one of those metal ties that had come up loose and ripped her gas tank. They had to call in the fire department to clean up the leaked gas!)
  • Hi,

    Just drove the RL and the TL today. Besides the price, the RL seems sluggish in acceleration. I didn't expect a 300HP car to feel sluggish and the response seem delayed.

    The dealer said it could be the Air conditioning, 3 passengers and the New- ness of the car. What do you think?

    Dave
  • frisconickfrisconick Posts: 1,275
    I thought the RL had a 280hp engine, I am probably wrong. But that is nonsense, I took my 2 brothers in law for a ride in my TL, and they are both over 250lbs (and I am being very kind) and the TL took off like a rocket when I was showing off. BTW, my wife is skinny, go figure? :P
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    "BTW, my wife is skinny, go figure?"

    She obviously lost the fight at the dinner table when they were kids! :P
  • I drove a Honda Accord, then the Acura TL, and then the Acura RL. I felt every bump in the Honda Accord and the TL. Both the TL and the Accord ride the same. The Acura RL was smoother. It still felt a little bumpy, because I am use to driving a Toyota Avalon, which is very smooth and I also have an MDX which you don't feel the bumps as much because you are so high. We were in the dealership that day to buy the TL, but decided to buy the RL for the smother ride and the beautiful wood trim. I don't care about AWD as I live in California. There is only a $7,000 difference between the 2006 TL price and the 2005 RL price. We are really going to get a great deal on the RL. It probably is not even worth $7000 more, but my husband wants the RL. To bad the RL has such a plain look, we are adding chrome wheels, deck lid spoiler, wood steering wheel, and wood shift knob.
  • It sounds like you may have been happier with Lexus' offerings. Acura is more sport-oriented (and infinit even moreso). Regardless, the hwole Acura line is great - enjoy!!!
  • I also had a hard time warming up to the RL because of the accord type look, especially the front end. But I fell in love with the interior and handling. I also live in California and don't need AWD for snow, but if you are on a mountain road doing spirited driving the AWD makes a huge difference. It also makes a big difference any time you accelerate, especially if you are turning at all. Doesn't feel at all like a FWD car.

    I also went with the 18" chrome wheels and deck spoiler. I thought those really made is look better, especially from the side and the rear. Still think the front could look alot better. I will consider adding the A-Spec front spoiler. I see you can get it as a stand alone option for 2006, so I suspect you could order it and add to the 2005. That does make the front look alot sportier.

    kris
  • mevandemevande Posts: 190
    What is the best price anyone has been able to get on a 2006 RL? Thanks in advance! Also there have been a few comments re: the RL looking plain' however I saw one with the rear spoiler and front spoiler and it changed (in a good way) the overall look of the car. Do dealers bargain' on these accessories?

    Thanks

    Mike
  • I had the full spoiler package added, front, sides and rear spoiler and apron, and the wood steering wheel. I offered them 50 cents on the dollar and they came back at about 65 cents. I took it. It really changes the looks, I really like it now. I did think it was too plain before. Total came in at about $1700.
  • Just read that review of the RL in Money magazine.
    Why do so many reviewers have to compare the RL to the Accord?, and then downrate the RL because it shares some parts with the Accord, or the TL, both of which can be had for a LOT less. That reviewer even claims the TL is nearly as much car, but for $15,000 less, so he downrates it! By that logic, why not downrate the GS because an Avalon is a much better deal?!, or why pay so much for the G35 when you can just buy an Altima for a lot less! Or why stop there, why not compare the 530i to the TL, because the TL is nearly as much car for $25,000 less!
    I own an RL, and I've driven the TL numerous time, and the new Accord. There is no comparison. I don't know or care how many parts the cars may share...you cannot drive all three cars and tell me there isn't a huge difference.
    I almost purchased a TL. It is a very nice car, and a great value. If anything, it probably does share a lot of parts with the Accord, and I think even comes off the same assembly line in Ohio. That is not a bad thing. The Accord is one of the best selling and most reliable cars around. The RL is made in Japan, and imo is made with higher quality materials, and has a much more luxurious look and feel to it, especially the interior. It also "feels" more substantial. I've done a lot of research, and since the RL can be had in the real world for about $8,000 more than the TL, it is worth every penny. It is a LOT more car. Drive one, and look it over very carefully. They are two very different cars. That said, I agree the TL is a great car, and a great value as well.
    Although I agree the exterior styling of the RL has a "family" resemblence to the Accord, I think comparing it to the Accord in just about any other way shows a lack of objectivity. Doesn't the GS resemble the new IS? How about the M35 and the G35? Or even the Maxima/Altima for that matter. What about the new BMW stying? Except for the different sizes, I have a hard time telling them apart. But I guess Acura still has dues to pay, before entering and competing in the realm of the BMW dominated world of reviewers.
    I've driven most of the competitors offerings, and imo they are:
    E350, M35, 530i, and the GS350. Haven't driven the 530i or the Audi, but I prefer the RL, especially since I got mine for just under $40,000.
    Anyway, to each his own. Different preferences make the world go round.
  • Nice post. From an exterior-only standpoint, I understand the comparison of the exterior looks of the RL to the Accord, particularly the back-end, but I agree that such a "criticism" is shortsighted b/c it's a great car! As a TL owner, I've read the posts comparing the TL to the Accord b/c of the FWD platform and understand them, but find it very funny that most people supposedly discounting the TL b/c of the FWD platform are G35 drivers who need a RWD platform b/c of its sportiness; yet, most of those drivers choose an automatic transmission, goes against "sportiness."

    I think these people make their decision and then find these things to back up their decision, or use it to make them look like educated consumers. Kudos to you for driving all 3 Honda products before making yoru decision. Hopefully, you drove the G35, too. I doubt it would've changed your decision!
  • Why do so many reviewers have to compare the RL to the Accord?, and then downrate the RL because it shares some parts with the Accord, or the TL, both of which can be had for a LOT less.

    I agree totally. So what if it looks a little like an Accord. It's not an Accord and once you drive, or even ride in, both, you'll see the difference. As far as the TL, it's a great car for the price, but I wouldn't trade my RL for a TL for any amount of money.
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