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Cadillac CTS/CTS-V

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  • oldsman01oldsman01 Posts: 1,203
    When I was about 9 or 10 one of my friend's dad had one of those early 80s Sevilles. I remember the first time I rode in it, I thought it was absolutely the nicest car in the world. It had automatic climate contol, a cassette player, a comfortable back seat, and a digital speedometer. All things which cars my mom and dad drove(at that time) didn't have.

    bingoman, the bustleback Seville sold pretty well, especially got a car that could list for over 20K in 1980 when optioned out. When the car was redesigned for 86, sales dropped. I do think the bustleback was sort of a fad and not something Cadillac could have carried on forever, but you do have to admit it was distinctive. The Lincoln and Chrysler(forgot that one) that had this trait did not look good at all. In fact, Chrylser only made the Imperial(the early 80s version) for a couple of years. As for the Cimmaron, they may have gotten the bugs out by the end, but the car was still no Cadillac. Even as a kid(which I was when the Cimmaron was on sale) I never thought it was a true Cadillac. I used to see one and would say "thats one of those small, cheap looking Cadillacs".
  • oldsman01oldsman01 Posts: 1,203
    I assume you mean the Escalade by referring to the Suburban Cadillac. If your were talking about the first one(99-00) I would say no. But the new "Slade" is indeed a nice truck. And while yes it is Tahoe/Suburban based, the current GM full-size SUV platform is a pretty good structure. Again, my problem with the Cimmaron was not that it shared it's platform with a Chevy, but that it used the absolute cheapest and least refined platform GM had. And to top it off, Cadillac literally did nothing to make the car look any different than a Cavalier.
  • fjk57702fjk57702 Posts: 539
    I was thinking the first Escalade. And, yes it has been upgraded. Still, the SRX is more what I would think a Cadillac buyer would want in an SUV.
  • rstephrsteph Posts: 109
    A totally biased and 100% personal opinion only..but luxury car makers shouldn't be in the SUV business. I realize Escalades are nice rigs, and obviously people like 'em..you see them around quite a bit. The two concepts just don't go together in my mind ("luxury truck"). Next thing will be some logger bouncing around in the woods in a Cadillac 6-pack 4x4 covered in mud with a big old extra diesel tank in the back (if you've been in logging country, you know what I mean).
  • cu95cu95 Posts: 96
    Took my CTS in for its first oil change. Had ~1200 miles on it. After this I'll probably go to a every ~3000 miles schedule, but I wanted to get that first oil change earlier, plus, I wanted them to put it up on the lift to look at the front end as recommended by some of you (I hit a nasty pothole at pretty high velocity). They said the front end was fine and the replacement center cap set me back only $16. I had noticed before taking it in that if you get down and look under the back bumper, the rubber fascia has three holes along its bottom edge that match up with three holes in a metal plate just above them. Clearly, some sort of fastener was intended. My bumper didn't have any. I mentioned to the service rep and asked if he knew if it was a conscious decision to leave them off. He said he'd check. Well, when he came back, the oil change was done and he said that they put in three "christmas tree" fasteners in the bumper. I'm curious if anyone else's bumper is lacking these fasteners or if mine was a fluke --build date is Jan '03. I did, ahem, tap a small sapling backing up the car a little while back and it's concievable that that could have snapped the fasteners, but I highly doubt it given how little force was involved --the sapling's flexibility allowed it to give when the bumper hit it-- and that there were no remnants of broken fasteners in any of the three holes (I was left with a couple very minor scratches on the rear bumper).
  • b4zb4z Posts: 3,372
    August Motor Trend says 0-60 in 6.4 secs!
    1/4 mile in 14.9 @ 92.72 mph.

    Same as the Infinti G35.

    So there!!
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,582
    Very interesting. I presume these are for a 3.6 auto. version of the '04?

    MT gave the CTS 3.2 auto. numbers as: 0-60: 6.86 and 1/4 mile: 15.20 @ 90.70 in their comparison test vs. the G35 (6.21 - 14.61@95.67) and the 330i in their August 2002 issue.

    - Ray
    Waiting patiently for the Postal Service to deliver a copy of this issue . . .
  • wwhite2wwhite2 Posts: 535
    then what were they getting from the manual ?
  • wwhite2wwhite2 Posts: 535
    YOu are taking your CTS off-road LOL
  • wwhite2wwhite2 Posts: 535
    Has been a great place for info the vids are better if you have DSL or cable . The CTS-V video is cool the the operation of the XLR top is wild
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,582
    Feb. '02: 0-60 = 7.0
    1/4 = 15.3@89.7
    Another test that I happen to have handy = R&T July 2002. CTS manual: 0-60 = 7.3
    1/4 = 15.7@91.3

    From the same R&T comparo. G35 (Auto.): 0-60 = 6.2
    1/4 = 14.7@95.2

    Interesting data points . . .

    Cheers,
    - Ray
    Noticed a reported (estimated) top speed in R&T of 147 mph for the CTS manual - hmmmmm . . .
  • oldsman01oldsman01 Posts: 1,203
    Not too shabby, I think my bet was somewhere in the 6.3-6.5 range.
  • mcgreenxmcgreenx Posts: 179
    First, I wrote that the ordered replacement part was called a "lens." In fact, it is referred to on the invoice as a "lamp," I suppose because the part, by whatever name, includes the backup lamps. Or perhaps they ordered the wrong part, which I think is probably unlikely. The unit price, $510, is consistent with what has been mentioned here by others.

    Second, moisture is easily visible inside the component, droplets on the inside surface. If you got it, you'll see it. The problem is supposedly due to a defective batch of parts and doesn't affect current builds. Mine is pre-Sept. 2002, but I don't know when the fix was made. I noticed seeds from trees, etc., especially along the bottom edge, but I didn't look closely enough to determine if they were inside the "lamp" or merely in the open space between the component edge and the trunk lid. Looks more like they simply get into the crevice and are difficult to wash out. Perhaps the replacement will solve that problem, but I kinda doubt it.
  • b4zb4z Posts: 3,372
    I am always wary of the first performance numbers because those are usually preproduction cars that have had their engines blueprinted.

    I would be happy if the car did it in 6.7-6.8 in the real world because that would be a full second quicker than my Intrigue.
  • mannytrannymannytranny Posts: 175
    Did they give you an estimate on how long til the new part arrives? My CTS is June 2002 and the problem has been getting worse and worse. Now there is so much trapped moisture inside that it is very apparent to anyone who goes by the car. The part was ordered well over a month ago and I was told yesterday that it could still be several more weeks til the part is available. I was also told that the cost is close to $600.
    The moisture seemed to disappear after several days in the sun but now with 98º weather it is still trapped there and not going away. Even more bugs and debris are showing up. Looks disgusting!
  • cu95cu95 Posts: 96
    Does anyone else experience this?: The volume adjusts in distinct increments (by design), which is fine except that there is an incremental step that seems too large. There's a volume setting that is a little softer than I'd like for typical driving conditions, but when I click to the next increment it seems to make a fairly noticable jump and then is somewhat too loud. At other places on the volume spectrum, the increments seem tighter together. It's irrelevant whether the adjustment is made on the radio knob or the steering wheel knob. I can't decide if there is something wrong or if I'm just being sensitive about the volume increment that lies near --but not exactly on-- my ideal point.
  • wulf007wulf007 Posts: 20
    I stopped by a small local Cadillac dealership yesterday to get delivery schedules and other information on the 04 CTS, SRX, and Escalade. A week ago they were kind enough to let me see a new SRX that Cadillac provided them for few hours for training purposes. Didn't get to sit or ride in it, just look at it. Anyway, don't know if the sales rep knows what he is talking about, but he said his dealership is scheduled to get the 04 CTS around mid to late September and all the first models shipped will be with the 3.2 engine. They are not scheduled to get models with the 3.6 engine until November. Coincidently, that is when they are scheduled to get the new SRX, which will also be with the 3.6 engine. The V8-AWD model SRX will be available later. He emphasized that the scheduling could change but that is what they are being told right now. He said the CTSV won't be available until February or March 04 at the earliest. He also said they have been told by Cadillac that there will be very little negotiating room on the CTSV and SRX. He is worried that will effect sales here in California because thanks to Governor Davis and the tax and spend legislature, the car registration fees have just been tripled on top of the 8.5% to 8.75% sales tax. Means you can add approximately $1800 to $2400 to the price of the vehicle for registration and license fees. BTW, the MSRP on the SRX, which was nicely equipped (with V8) but apparently not full loaded, was $58K.
  • bigdaddycoatsbigdaddycoats Posts: 1,058
    How did you get the August Motor Trend already???
  • mannytrannymannytranny Posts: 175
    I just got to see the SRX right before the demonstrator from Michigan was leaving the dealership.Base price is about $38,000. I did see the fold down seats, but he had to show me the headlight washers. (no wipers). I asked why no wipers and he said that the spray comes out with enough force that while driving the headlight lenses just get clean and dry nicely. He thought it was cool!The sun roof or moon roof is just so large.
         The only thing that he mentioned about the CTS V was that the cars won't show up at dealers until late Jan.
         The local dealer has a 2004 CTS with the 3.6 engine but won't show it off yet til they move more of the 2003. They have 5 2003s left, most of which are fully loaded autos with great deals. He also said that manual trans are in higher demand right now because there will be none available until the CTS V and much later production of the 2004 CTS.
         They had to search for a 2003 with a manual trans for a local Dr. and had to go to 6 dealers before one would dealer trade . They want to hold on to the manuals.
         The 3.6 engine is very quiet while idling ( he started it ) and he said that it was surprisingly fast. It is silver with a two tone interior. Dash looks similar but the cruise is no longer on the steering wheel. A gauge is visible and not a clock in the dash (Yeah!)I may have to go back because they have it in a secure area not visible to the public and the salesman could stay there and I couldn't be there alone. No test drives yet. He expects two more in a few weeks.A red and a blue.
  • tornado25tornado25 Posts: 279
    Dash looks similar but the cruise is no longer on the steering wheel.
    _________________________________
    Acck. Why would they move a control like that, which is well liked by most people in my experience? Please don't tell me it will be dumped on cheapo multi-function stalk!
  • mannytrannymannytranny Posts: 175
    You guessed it! It's on the left stalk!
  • b4zb4z Posts: 3,372
    I never said I actually saw the August Motor Trend. LOL.

    http://www.cheersandgears.com/boards/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5958
  • fjk57702fjk57702 Posts: 539
    I expect mine to arrive in the mail soon.
  • automoleautomole Posts: 154
    cu95, my wife and I have both noticed the same thing. It's annoying because one 'notch' is too soft and when you turn it to the next 'notch' it's too loud. What's AS annoying or more so, is that there is a slight delay when choosing tracks on the CD in which it mutes the very start of the song and quickly fades in. Also,the rewind and f-forward buttons are virtually useless as the response time is agonizingly slow. To top things off I hate Bose and think the stereo sounds like crap although for a stock car stereo I guess it's pretty decent...a good thing since I'm stuck with it due to it's integration with the car.

    Fortunately, my gripes about the car (including the stereo) are minor! Other than a few irritating 'features' the CTS is an INCREDIBLE car.

    On another note, did I hallucinate the post linking to the GM site with all the cool CTS-V videos?? It seems to have disappeared???

    http://gmtv.feedroom.com/notenabled.jsp?miss=wrfb&fr=062503_1- 15930_171570xf5fef4680axw5ad9
  • rfdevil1rfdevil1 Posts: 43
    My copy arrived in today's mail. I also saw a copy on a news stand so if it's not there today it should be there shortly. B4Z is right with the #s but MT says the new motor "doesn't yet match the standards set by infinit's more powerful 3.5 or BMWs silken in-line sixes". We'll see. Also say it is on sale currently.
  • wwhite2wwhite2 Posts: 535
    It's interesting that dealers are holding on to their in stock manuals instead of trading them . Looks like there may be a premium on the manual?? That would invalidate a lot of posted theory that the manuals were a no sell and dealers couldnt get rid of them
  • pmdriverpmdriver Posts: 11
    Hi everyone, great to check in again and still see a high level of enthusiasm for your cars. We're glad you're enjoying them. I hope it's o.k. with you guys, I've brought up this forum in some of our meetings to give an example of the true enjoyment owners are getting out of the CTS, and the fact that most of your annoyances are being addressed. It does mean a lot to our team that in the end, people who commit to the car by writing a check are happy with the purchase. By the way, I just got back from the Nurburgring with the V and I can't wait for a group like you to get your first drives in this thing. It is a hoot! Who'd of thought and extra 180hp would feel so right!
  • mcgreenxmcgreenx Posts: 179
    They didn't say how long it is expected to take to get the "Lamp/surround," but I didn't ask. Hope it's not too long. I suspect there are a lot to supply.

    The unit cost of $510 plus labor for the initial inspection to determine if a warranty replacement is necessary, and to remove and replace, would probably be well above $600.
  • mannytrannymannytranny Posts: 175
    I just can't wait for a manual trans CTS V. Anyone interested in getting a car to my dealer so I can drive it? I would be willng to run a month long drive test. :)
         I just love my 2003 CTS with the manual trans but I would even like a CTS V better!
  • bingomanbingoman Posts: 373
    cu95 I just checked my rear fascia and found the three christmas tree fastener in place. If all of yours where missing I would suspect that someone goofed at the factory and failed to insert them. I doubt that all three would break without leaving a considerable mark on the bumper.

    Tornado, the position of the cruise control on the bottom of the steering wheel was a very bad ergonomic mistake to begin with. Do you really want to be feeling along the bottom of the wheel at 80 mph or so in order to engage cruise, or would you like to take your eyes off the road in order to find the buttom. I surely do not like to. I think that location was a worse engineering choice than the clock on the dashboard instead of a temperature gauge. Just my opinion, but i've been driveing for fifty years.
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