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When I set the correct time the analog clock shows 4 minutes behind. I'm watching it now as I set it by programming 4 minutes ahead to get it right on. In a month, the clock had lost 7 minutes.It may have been a minor programming error at the dealership but I didn't notice the difference in the settings until I tried to set the clock myself. I've been looking for a radio station that puts out time but haven't found one yet in this area.
What do you think?
It's too bad that we won't be able to compare the performance of the 2003 V6 manual. The V6 gets 232 hp and 220 lb ft of torque with VVT plus a 3.58 rear end.
Sort of ironic - the LS had a manual up until 2003 and the Stype didn't. Now the Stype has it and the LS doesn't. Interesting to see how the S-type manual and CTS manual sell going forward. I think it's the right move from a business standpoint, but from an emotional standpoint it's disappointing. Just offering a manual makes a statement.
Personally I don't understand why they can't simply include a fully instrumented dashboard, or at least make one optional. Every time they cut down on the instrumentation there is a howl from the public. Anyway, I can't see how they justify the need for a tachometer on a car with an automatic transmission, but then leave off really useful instruments. The best arrangement would be a complete display with a single big red idiot light which would go on if any value went out of range, telling you to check the instruments. That way if you were not in the habit of checking regularly you would still not get caught unaware.
To me this is ideal - you can have your cake and eat it too. If you don't happen to see the gauge going out of normal the light will alert you. But I'm not sure that feature still exists. It did prompt interesting conversations with the wife though:
"The check gauges light came on in your truck."
"So what was it?"
"What was what?"
"What was the problem?"
"The light came on."
"For which gauge??"
"How should I know?"
"Didn't you check them when the light came on?"
"Check what?"
"The gauges, what else?"
"No."
"Aaarrrgghhhh!!!!!"
In this case it was the fuel gauge that showed empty because it was parked on a hill. And I only slightly exaggerated the conversation. But you get the point.
We are straying far from the topic, and all of you know what kind of trouble that has gotten us into previously.
The off-topic conversation is not an issue as long as it remains civil and it returns to the subject on a regular basis. That is what I've seen happening here so far.
The only reason I'm commenting at all is due to the past history of this subject. All I want to do is keep up everyone's awareness of the necessity to not let this conversation devolve the way the previous topic did.
Okay?
Thanks.
Pat
Sedans Host
I hope this is not too far off topic. I only mention it to remind everyone to find out what your gauges mean before you drive the vehicle.
bingoman: I too would be willing to pay for the software upgrade. I feel that if it requires a PROM chip or hardware of some kind a nominal upgrade fee would be uacceptable. If it just requires new software to be uploaded however, I actually do think it should be free under warranty. As for the gas gauges, yes they're all innacurate at low range; my gripe with the CTS is that IMO 'low range' should be around 10-15 miles left until empty...not 40 miles! I try to never let the gauge go that low either...unfortunately sometimes my wife will drive the car and leave me the surprise of a nearly empty tank in which case a 'guesstimate' of DTE would be extremely helpful.
akirby: My fear with the CTS is that they will ONLY offer a manual if they come out with a higher HP CTSi version. Ultimately car buyers should always have the choice between auto/manual transmissions. My gripe with Ford has been that they've never offered the Cobra with an auto. There are some of us left that still like to go fast but have graduated into a yuppie [non-permissible content removed] lifestyle in which juggling a baby, a Starbucks coffee, and city trafic is too much to do while trying to clutch and shift at the same time.
wallywalla: Simply put...the CTS clock sucks. Mine is off by 3 minutes as compared to the time you set on the computer. It's too bad that with all the other high-tech gizmos in the CTS they couldn't have thought to put in a clock that was set via radio; I mean, you can buy one of those 'Oregon Scientific' clocks for around $30 that will set itself to an atomic clock via radio waves so I don't see why GM couldn't have included one on the CTS. Car stereo and computer clocks are typically very innacurate because they don't use a quartz reference.
they got FULL STICKER ! He sez we will have
one one coming in Cashmere (ugh)! NO CTS
in Syracuse either and they are running a
379 mth lease deals with NONE to sell....
O in stock, 5 on way, 10 to order !
But still no GMO/GMS deal YET......geo
to travel now because our motel in Alex.
Bay is open and jamming ! And my bar,rest,
hotel in Hannibal too ! Too buzy to golf,
Jetski , boat or fish ! My 96 Deville
is still purring at 90k...If I have to
wait so be it. Maybe at the end of season
the CTSi will be around........geo
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Broken shoulder here too ! too much phsy.
therapy 3 days a week. Can't have no fun !
As to order delivery. I ordered my Diamond White/Neutral interior Luxury Option fully loaded on April 15. Was called by the dealer the first Saturday of June that "they haven't started building your car yet". Supposedly the dealer had one "just like I ordered" coming in July 2. "OK put my name on that one." In the mean time got on the GM Buy Power web site and found 2 "just like I ordered" at the local Cadillac competitor. Sent them an email to hold one of them on a Friday afternoon. Drove it home Saturday at noon. LOVE IT! Got $1500 discount and price of $38K. The guy that paid $43K... hummmmmmm???
CTS was advertised as the Catera replacement, wasn't it? I am a very satisfied owner of a 2001 Catera Sport and would like to see comments from others who may be previous Catera owners, or who have driven both vehicles. I am hoping to see feature evaluations NOT relating to horsepower, or external styling; rather, how do the 2 compare for fit and finish, trunk room, neat features, and other attributes which may be of value to older drivers. I find the memory ability of the internal mirror a big help for 2 drivers, as an example.
I owned 3 Cadillacs prior to leasing my Catera ('96 Concours, '97 Concours, and a '99 STS.) My owner satisfaction is much higher for the Catera...the headliner came loose in my STS, and discovered the only thing holding it in was velcro and magnets. The Catera is a solid design all around! What about the CTS?
New features that I like,
step-on parking brake on left to replace hand brake.
right hand mirror with turn down feature to let you see the curb while parallel parking.
much better cup holders in the console.
driver's seat programmable auto slide back when door is opened.
independent seat cushion tilt and back rest tilt on front seats.
better center console storage.
floor mats that stay in place.
the optional navigation system is very good, although it takes a bit of experience to get used to its ideocyracies. I would reccoment it to anyone who makes frequent trips to unfamiliar locations. It saved me many an argument with my wife on the trip, as she has trouble reading a map and giving me directions while we are moving.
Changes I could do without,
lack of full instrumentation.
no lock on the gas tank door.
a smaller trunk, 12.8 cu ft. vs 14.5 cu ft on the Catera, although it is very square and easy to load.
less space in glove compartment.
less space in rear seat if you often carry adults.
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A few notes on the mechanical side. The engine is an update of the Catera engine and is made in England, I believe by the same factory that made the Catera motor. The new 5 speed automtic is the same one used in the BMW 5 series. The ride in the sport option is just slightly firmer than the '97 Catera, I can't speak for later models.
I hope this helps you to make a decision. If you have any other specific questions I will be happy to try to answer them. If you decide to stay with the Catera I would recommend that you purchase the extended warranty. You can purchase it as long as you are under the factory warranty, and if you sell the car it is a great selliing feature, or you can get a rebate of the unused time and mileage. It saved me a bundle when I had the transmission replace at 60,000 miles.
Noticed it on the fed sticker !
The Lincoln answer has recently been confirmed to be . . . NO.
You folks offer hope.
I'll pick up the literature and have a more serious look at the car over the next few months.
CTS, G35, 5 Series (or 3, but it's too small), or 2.7T? Is that now the total list for those who will only drive a manual?
necros: Congratulations on your CTS! You have the exact same color combination as mine; my CTS has the automatic. I'm sure my opinion is biased but I think black is the best color to show off the CTS's dramatic styling.
cdnpinhead: You owe it to yourself to take the CTS for a testdrive. It's a little bit lower than your HP requirements (220HP) but it handles much better than "well"! I've owned faster cars but the CTS has been keeping me VERY entertained with it's excellent handling and braking and it's power is more than adequate for my needs.
bingoman: If the CTS's cup holders are much better I'd hate to see the ones that the Catera had! Seriously, they're not horrible and I like the way you can remove the tray for cleaning but it would be nice to have ones that you could put a BigGulp in. The non-locking gas cap on the CTS is another minor gripe of mine although I've yet to own a car that DID have a locking cap. Overall the features I love far outweigh the ones I hate.
"What should I do if my remote keyless entry transmitter does not work, or I have to stand closer to the vehicle?"
"At times you may notice a decrease in range. This is normal for any remote keyless entry system. Take a few steps to the left or right, hold the transmitter higher, and try again. Battery replacement or resynchronization may be necessary. See your Owner's Manual for more information."
-Ummm, I've had SEVERAL remote keyless entry systems and to have the range decrease to the point of not being able to open your door when standing a foot away from it is not "normal"!
I also don't feel that I should have to do the hokey pokey in order to open my door! ...not very helpful info from Cadillac.
I assume if I use the old fashioned method of putting a key in the doorlock the alarm will be disarmed, correct? I'll have to try it out tomorrow when I've verified the remote is working in case I have to disarm it.
The owners manual says "push any button on the remote keyless transmitter to resynchronize the transmitter"...again, not very helpful info since you are already pushing "any button" to try and open the friggin' door!
As to unlocking with the key, the manual says opening the car with either the fob or the key will disarm the security system.
I have the white diamond and I think it is the best looking color. The pearlized finish is much more attractive then a plain white. As an extra cost option my dealer painted the grill bars to match the car and I think it adds a great deal to the appearance of the car. I guess everyone feels that the color of their car is the best, otherwise why would they have picked it.
Thanks.
http://www.autosite.com/editoria/asmr/homfc.asp
You have to click on a category (sedans, for example) and then on the Sales Volume link. The downside to this site is that its updates are fairly slow; the latest figures are for May.
For more current Cadillac (and all GM brands) info, go to
http://media.gm.com
and list the articles for the current month. You'll find one for prior month sales at the beginning of each month. CTS sales for June were 3,466 units.
For North American production figures for all brands, go to:
http://www.autonews.com
Midway down the page, on the right-hand side, there's a box titled "North American Car and Truck Production". Click on the "Click here" link to get production figures by week. Note: It's in .pdf format, so Acrobat Reader is required.
Not sure HP really matters. What matters is how they actually perform on the road. The 300 HP Mercury Marauder has been seeing published road tests in the 7.0-7.5 second 0-60 mph range. What good are these supposed 300 ponies? Must be weak ponies? Or old ponies?
But thankfully CTS is offering 5-speed manual. Will be interesting to see if they go 6 speed in both base and more powerful engine. Enthusiasts need to help Cadillac keep a true manual option. Don't give up like Lincoln. And thankfully Cadillac introduced the CTS with true manual compared to Infiniti's delayed G35. Bet the true test will come from whether Cadillac can sell CTS in European and Asian markets.
This is new for Cadillac. The fact that Cadillac has this much attention from one product foretells good news about the future. Can't wait for the XLR, and STS!
"GM's Performance Division. As you read this, GM Performance Division operatives are over in Germany, hammering around the classic Nurburgring long course in V8-powered Cadillac CTS prototypes. The advanced word on this car is that it has sensational potential, and the GM performance division crew doesn't plan on leaving the Nurburgring until it reaches it."
http://www.autoextremist.com/page6.shtml
On a recent walk on the Lake Michigan Lakefront, my wife was commenting on how hard it was to tell the differnce between certain cars, such as some lexus and MB models that were driving by on Lake Shore Drive. Suddenly a white cts drove by and our eyes were rivited on it. It was beautiful. I began to understand why so many people seem to prefer white. It was like it was the only unique car on Lake Shore Drive. Love it or hate it the CTS gets attention.
Great article...my favorite line is:
"To grab the public’s attention, insiders say Cadillac in January will unveil a breathtaking new V-16 concept limousine at the 2003 Detroit show that will make Jurgen Schempp’s Maybach look like an old DeSoto."
I don't even know what to say....
Why should it matter to you if the CTS is as common like the 3 series? There are a lot of cars that are more common than the 3 series like the Camrys and Accords for example but does not have breathe taking styling.
If the CTS is more common than the 3 series, I would buy it over a Beamer 3 series if I had the cash in a heartbeat. I rather buy a luxury car that is more common with breathtaking design rather than the one with bland styling. You see what I am saying. If you like the CTS(actually, it sounds like you love the car), go out and get one regardless if your next door neighbor and his brother owns one. Besides, it is an entry-level luxury car that is pretty affordable somewhat more so than the mid-size $50,000-$60,000 cars that not seen too often.
J "CaddyLac"