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Dodge Charger 2006+

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  • Hey thanks. Another big thing that the new Chargers will lack is the coolness aspect.

     

    When driving my old Chargers people love them, I get lots of stares, thumbs up, smiles, rubbernecking, etc. That is one of the most fun things about driving the old Charger, no matter what kind of horsepower it has, even if it has a 318.

     

    The new Charger will not generate this kind of interest from people when you drive it around because it is not interesting. The design style is boring, and it looks like a grocery getter.

     

    Again, Dodge was way off the mark with the styling, as I have shown. And again, I hope the car goes down in flames, and a few responsible people get fired for it.
  • ambullambull Posts: 255
    I agree with a lot of what has been said, with a few exceptions.

    1) Hidden headlights are passe (witness the new Corvette)

    2) There is some resemblance to the 66 in the side and 3/4 rear views.

    3) 2-doors are just not selling enough to justify a new model.

    4) They shouldn't have called this car Charger. The best name is probably Intrepid, since it is not really a retro design.
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    " 4) They shouldn't have called this car Charger. The best name is probably Intrepid, since it is not really a retro design. "

    That would NOT be fair the the Intrepid, which was really a slick looking design. Front, side and behind, all views looked much more sporty in the Intrepid design in comparison to the Charger / 300. As for the '66 Charger, my bet is that the last years of the Charger are what most people consider as the best style wise and thus would like to see once again in some retro/modern version. I liked the Corvette with the hidden lights, and find it attractive on most sports cars. On larger cars, it can work, but it would look rather silly on a truck front like the new Charger will have.
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,926
    "Magnum" was used on a number of big-block wedge Mopar motors in the sixties and seventies (383-440). It was also a Dodge car model in the seventies sharing the same platform as the Chrysler Cordoba.

     

    In '63-66 there was a 361 Commando in the Dodge 880 and Polara series. I think there was a 383 Commando in '61-62 Dodge and Plymouth cars.

     

    Dusty
  • xmf314xmf314 Posts: 154
    After seeing the Charger at the Los Angeles auto show, it is evident to me that that sucker is not going to sell on styling - it is a homely beast. However, I think the Hemi model would make a great police car, and I'm sure the Dodge boys have had the same thoughts.

     

    I've read that DCX was considering introducing a police package for the Magnum. However, I have sat in a couple of Magnums and the rear visibility appears to be compromised because of the pinched rear windows. The boys in blue need a clear 360 degree view while watching for evildoers, and the Charger provides this better than the Magnum.

     

    As well as police package Magnums, I expect there will also be taxi packages. I think this vehicle could put a big dent in Crown Victoria sales in these two areas.
  • Expect to see these supposed 4 door Muscle Cars in fleets as dodge announced the small six cylinder will be avail for fleet sales in the ..."Magnum Sedan".

     I guess they will have to sell them as taxis since the car replaces the front wheel drive Intrepid, and most folks seem to think it's ugly.

     Maybe the fleet car will be called Coronet, as to not further drag the Charger name through the mud.
  • jtrikjtrik Posts: 11
    I love the old styling, but guys at the risk of being flamed...I love the new one too. Other than the obvious 4 doors and the front fascia, the silhouette is darn close. I for one would seriously purchase this Charger. The side by side comparison actually kinda really peaked my interest...so thanks for that.

    And just to let you guys know, I'm 39, own my business, drive a 5 series BMW. But my other auto is a 66 New Yorker with a 440...love that beast, just don't want to drive my family in it... ;-)
  • jimhemijimhemi Posts: 223
    Just call it a Polara and end all arguments. This is not a Charger. It never will be. Look at the pics for comparison's sake. A 4 door Charger is like a 4 door Mustang or Vette, it doesn't make sense. For those that say "There is no market for a 2 door, or 2 doors just don't sell", has anyone seen the 2 door sales for the BMW's and Mercedes or how there is a waiting list for the 05 Mustang? Thought 2 doors don't sell? Then we all must be crazy.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,890
    While all comments about this vehicle, negative & postive are welcome, you might find more comrades in the Daimler's abuse of the Charger legacy discussion. We've kind of beat the heck out of that conversation in here, but the other topic seems custom-design for it.

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  • I have not looked into it very well. Is it front wheel drive or rear wheel drive?

     

    I have to agree that the looks are nothing special until you invision aftermarket accessories. If you were to play around with the wheel/tire packages availaible and lower the stance a little it might just be a looker.
  • rik4rik4 Posts: 90
    since 2 drs do not sell well. Even though they spent 100 millions to produce the viper that sells in very low volume. Maybe they should add two more doors and have a 6 dr or 8 dr car. just think of all the familys with 20 kids that would love a 6 dr car. THe main reason 2 dr cars have not sold well is the god awful design of the 2 dr cars. There was a time when all the hot cars were 2 dr. Then they decided to have cookie cutter cars that you need a magnifying glass to tell the difference and that was the end of the 2 dr and most of the american brand market. If you design a decent if not hot 2 dr it will outsell all other brands . But if you build a lame 2 dr you will reap what you sow. The 2 dr mini seems to sell well but it was a big mistake should have been 4 drs and it would have really sold. Design and price sell cars as well as reliabilty and performance. Put it all together and you have a winner just ask Bill ford. Try and get a GT mustang not too easy and you will not get much if any of a discount. NOw the new charger will have rebates within 3 months.
  • rik4rik4 Posts: 90
    I think the new dodge should be called cowabunga. It looks like the flubadub machine from howdy dowdy so why not give it a howdy name. Seems like the sex crazed drug dealing rappers love it so call it the cowabunga dude. It is great that chrysler has decided to cater to the rap group. you should be able to pick one up a drug seized auction cheap. so why pay list just wait. hehehe.
  • andyman73andyman73 Posts: 368
    with real bullet holes, not those decal ones! LOL
  • gsemikegsemike Long Island, NYPosts: 1,771
    Since this car is just a rebadged 300, DC does not have the development costs of a completely new car to recover with the Charger. Even though the sales do not come close to that of their sedan bethren, you do see enough 2 door Accords and Camry Solaras (even though the Solara is about the ugliest thing on the road). It must be profitable to offers these cars or Honda and Toyota would not bring them back every year. You even see 2 door Grand Prix's and butt-ugly Monte Carloes.

     

    The 4 door Charger is just going to canabalize sales from the 300 and Magnum. Since it will probably be a little cheaper than the 300, it may pull in some buyers that otherwise would have gone elsewhere but most buyers will be deciding between the bare bones bruiser that is the Charger, the pimp psuedo-luxury of the 300 or the utility of the Magnum.

     

    You don't make money be cannibalizing your own sales, you make money by expanding your market. If this car were a 2 door, they could go after the NASCAR dads and secretaries that are buying the above mentioned coupes. There has to be at least a couple hundren thousand people left that equate two door with sporty.It would expand their product line and customer base.
  • One aspect of the new Charger has with the 1966 Dodge Charger is that it is a derivative of another body style AND that it is VERY EASY to tell. The 1966 was considered a fastback Coronet and sales were poor. The 1964-1/2 Barracuda looked like a Valiant with the fastback stuck on. Sales were poor. Ford by contrast totally reskinned the Falcon and had a huge hit. Same car underneath and the Barracuda was probably a better car, but didn't sell anywhere close to the Mustang. I think DCX will have this in common with the Old Chrysler Corporation. The NEW Chrysler seems to thrive on the love it or hate it designs. I think this group falls into the HATE IT category, or at least RENAME IT.
  • marsha7marsha7 Posts: 3,674
    300 and Magnum designs overall (and, I assume, the new Charger), I wish that the window openings were taller...they seem squashed, and they reduce visibility IMO...I had a loaner Magnum last week while they repaired my Ram 1500, the car performed well, very comfortable seating, hugged the road very well, but, aside from the Magnum sloping roof that makes one feel claustrophobic, the windows seem to close in on you, and side visibility, both left and right, are diminished... why can't the windows be taller, or, conversely, why are the inside door sills made much higher than any other car I have been in???...instead of just resting my left arm on the door/window sill, I actually have to raise it up to an uncomfortable position, reducing bllod flow and increasing nerve pinching, just to place it on the sill...that is the only poor design but it is so major it would prevent me from buying one of those cars until they redesigned the window design...
  • gsemikegsemike Long Island, NYPosts: 1,771
    You are 110% right. I checked out the Magnum at a show and although I think it's pretty cool, I said no way after sitting in it for about a minute. There is no way that I'd own and drive this car everyday in an urban setting. In addition to the slits it has for windows, the rear pillars are about two feet wide. You can't see anything out of it. I guess that they want that chopped look to recall the hotrods from the 50s, but it's not practical.

     

    As far as DCX recycling one platform, do you remember how many versions of the K Car were running around in the early 80s? I think that platform accounted for almost all of their passenger cars and even was closely related to the original mini-vans. Sometimes people just can't learn from their mistakes.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,432
    Is there any big volume manufacturer that does NOT recycle a platform? If it weren't for that, vehicles would be much more expensive than they already are.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • gsemikegsemike Long Island, NYPosts: 1,771
    Everybody recycles platforms, but when a manufacturer tries to build an entire line out of one platform, or fails to give the cars distinct personalities, it's a problem. It makes the product line seem stales fast.

     

    Nissan does a good job with the Alt, Max and Murano all based on the same platform but with each car seeming different. The 300, Magnum and Charger all seem like different versions of the same car. Again, how old did the K-car platform get when there were 20 or so versions of it?
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,432
    ok, i can understand your point a little better, but I do want to point out that the 300 and Magnum are the same car, yes, but one is a wagon and the other a sedan. So, to me, that is no different than another manufacturer who does the same thing, but just doesn't rename it. In other words, your complaint wouldn't exist if it was a 300 sedan and 300 wagon, you see? So, really, they are doing nothing different than when the Accord was available as a sedan, wagon, and coupe, or any BMW, for that matter. The only difference is that Chrysler is giving them different names and selling them through different dealerships. Now, that's NOT to say they won't make a 300 wagon and really screw my whole explanation up. ;)

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    "...Now, that's NOT to say they won't make a 300 wagon and really screw my whole explanation up. ;)"

     

    Errr, it seems that they already do, it's just that they don't sell it here.

     

    Check out this link: Chrysler 300C Touring

     

    Best Regards,

    Shipo
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,432
    i'm taking a guess here, but that's because Dodge only sells the Viper there, no? So its still just the one wagon offering.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • gsemikegsemike Long Island, NYPosts: 1,771
    "In other words, your complaint wouldn't exist if it was a 300 sedan and 300 wagon, you see? So, really, they are doing nothing different than when the Accord was available as a sedan, wagon, and coupe, or any BMW, for that matter."

     

    Ummmm... where is the coupe? We've all been ranting here for weeks about how the Charger should be a 2 door. The Charger and 300 are about as distinctive from one another as the Ford Granada and Mercury Monarch.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,432
    the car isn't here yet, so i can't help ya with that. I'm not much for arguing about what a car might be. Production vehicles have been known to change up till the 11th hour.

     

    Hey, I'd like to have the Accord Wagon back. We can't have everything we want.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • To me, Chrysler has laid a serious egg with the Charger in its current style. Daimler Chrysler is going to be lucky if the Charger makes it past 2 years without some major body redesign.

    Historically, Chrysler has always come out with good looking cars; radical designs that people liked; Stealth, Intrepid, Concorde, LHS, Sebring, 300M, Viper, etc... For a company with a history of innovate styling, the Charger is a big disappointment.

     

    Unless the Charger is going to be $5000 less than the a comparable 300, the only reason I could see anyone buying a Charger is if it has a HEMI but even then I'd still pick a 300 Touring over the Charger. The 300 just looks better.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,432
    that's why not everyone drives the same car. Not everyone has the same taste.

     

    I just got my Autoweek last night with the Charger in it. I think it looks pretty good. The retro rear fenders are an interesting touch.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • ...it doesn't look too much like that horrible Super8 Hemi concept (although you can see hints of it).

     

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  • Kirstie - Any update on availability of a link to the transcript from Burke Brown discussion yet?
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,926
    Recycling a platform is not a bad idea. All manufacturers do it...heck, GM's probably recycled more platforms than any two or three manufacturers combined. Having completely different platforms for sister/brother cars doesn't make economic sense. And having three different platforms in the same market segment doesn't make economic sense, especially for a company the size of Chrysler.

     

    And like someone else just said, if the car in question had a name other than "Charger" I don't think we'd be hearing complaints.

     

    Dusty
  • gsemikegsemike Long Island, NYPosts: 1,771
    It's not like GM is knocking down the fences with distinctive auto designs. As a matter of fact, it's their recycling that going to kill Saab.

     

    Every manufacturer recycles platforms. It makes no econimic or engineering sense not to, but the cars can still have distinct personalities which the 300, Magnum and Charger do not.
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