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Cadillac DTS/STS vs. Chrysler 300/300C



  • vic10vic10 Posts: 188
    Glad to see this thread has come alive. I've owned a 2005 300C since Sept 04 and in a couple of weeks will take delivery of my first Cadillac--a 2008 DTS Performance. I'm anxious to see what my own reactions will be to the Caddy once the novelty wears off. The 300C has been pretty much a flawless performer--and averages 20 mpg for me--so it will be a tough act to follow. Why the switch? I've always wanted a Caddy (I'm from THAT generation) and just turned 60. Don't want my first Caddy to be the hearse carrying my coffin.....

    I agree that the new G8 will be a more direct competitor for the 300C. Remains to be seen what will happen with the powerplants of both those cars now that the new CAFE standards need to be figured in. GM has already dropped the development plans for the Northstar successor as a result. Maybe we'll be seeing some turbo diesels in our future....
  • sls002sls002 Posts: 2,788
    For maximum fuel economy, I think that some sort of electric drive with rechargable batteries and a motor generator are the future. GM is working on LI batteries that can do this at an affordable price.
  • coolrunningcoolrunning Posts: 117
    Have you ever considered a Chrysler Pacifica with the new 4.0L V6 with dual exhaust, four wheel disc brakes, antilock, traction control, leather interior, navigation system, satellite radio, etc. ? These are some of the most useful and fun cars to drive I have experienced in a long time. It is not a van, and its not a SUV. It is a great road vehicle, and it is big enough to do just about anything you need to do. I rented one for a week in Florida, and really enjoyed driving it. :D
  • sls002sls002 Posts: 2,788
    I did sort of look at and considered a Pacifica. However, I now have a 2007 SRX and am quite happy with it.
  • xtecxtec Posts: 354
    Just to let you know the Pacifica is no longer being made.
    That should help decision if anybody is thinking about buying one.I heard good things about the Pacifica,but no longer being made.
  • bremertongbremertong Posts: 436
    May I now suggest that the name be updated to Cadillac DTS and STS VS. Chrysler 300C and SRT.
    While there is nothing perfect in life I think as many posters have suggested that to compare the 300 series other than 300 C or SRT with Cadillac is a mismatch. My intention was always the 300 C and not the 6 cylinder engines found in the other Chrysler 300 cars. I also feel that a comparison including the the STS would widen the discussion and make for more interesting comparisons.
  • An older Corvette? A turbo charged Asian screamer? Maybe an older Porsche? My old beloved '90 Eagle Talon TSI/AWD turbo? Nope. I bought a 2008 Chrysler 300C AWD with the 5.7L Hemi. I was set on the Limited model with the 3.5L V6. But when I found one with the options I wanted: color, nav, satellite, dual zone climate, sunroof, etc., it was a 300C V8 with AWD. The mileage (15/23) isn't that much worse vs. the V6 and the V8 runs on 4 cyls. 85% of the time and you can't detect it at all other than the "Fuel Saver Mode" read-out in the dash. Chrysler claims 10-20% increase in MPG. Nothing at all like the old GM V8-6-4 nightmare. MDS (multi-displacement system) has been in use since the '05 300C and has proven to be bullet proof. 340 hp. is more than enough for me in a family sedan. The SRT8 w/425hp. must be unbelievable. The Mercedes DNA is obvious. The 5-speed w/auto stick, the rear suspension, the seats, the steering, the AWD (Mercedes 4Matic), the bank-vault like quiet, are from the previous E-class. Big cube V8 gives effortless thrust at any rpm. I drove it in a light rain on deserted road/parking lot to get a feel for it. With the AWD system, ABS, traction control, and brake assist you must really try to lose traction because I couldn't. A neat feature in the dash among the 120+ read-outs available is a 0-60 timer. The only thing that kept me from buying one 2-3 yrs. ago was the interior. I thought it was a little cheap (for it's price). It has been addressed in '08. The interior has a similar design with a new console & Nav. system but the materials are higher quality. Real wood, leather, LED lighting throughout and every luxury option you could want. This is the one Chrysler to actually benefit from the Daimler merger (takeover) and IMO looks like nothing else on the road.
  • coolrunningcoolrunning Posts: 117
    I could not agree with you more. I believe the Chrysler 300C is the best car you can buy for under $40,000. I have put my two 2006 Heritage Editions through some fairly tough tests, (trans-Texas 12 hour drives at 80+ mph), extreme hot and cold weather, mountainous driving in New Mexico and Colorado and have always come away smiling. I love the 5.7L MDS HEMI. I would have bought the SRT with the 6.1 HEMI if it had the MDS system. It does not, and firing all 8 cylinders all the time for the 426 cubic inch V8 HEMI equals 16 mpg city or highway. The 425 horsepower was enough fun to get you in trouble with the law, but the 5.7 with its 340 horses is more than adequate to smoke a Mustang GT at a light, or blow by an STS Caddy or 525 BMW with ease out on the open road. The 300C has some very long legs and loves to run. Imagine my surprise when I viewed a brand new HEMI equipped Charger in my rear view mirror coming up fast. I thought he wanted to compare toys, so I punched it to see if he wanted to play. Bad idea! FYI, the Texas Highway Patrol just purchased a fleet of Dodge Charger police interceptors that have no emission control devices becaue they are exempt. They are also tuned for maximum horsepower, but will not tell you exactly how much. (He won...) At least he had a sense of humor. He asked if I like that Bobby Fuller song, "I fought the law and the law won..." I got off with a stern warning partly because his car was completely unmarked and only had the lights and siren. He was on his way to get it finished... I must say, the Charger makes a most intimidating police car especially with those extremely bright red and blue LED lights in the grill and inside the windshield and rear glass. Watch out for them!
  • What's great about the new Charger, other than the retro styling and the 6.1 Hemi, is that it went from concept to showroom in the usual quick Chrysler time frame. Just like the Viper, Prowler, and PT Cruiser. How long has GM hyped the new Camaro? Seems like just after the Mustang's latest redesign in '05 we started to here about the resurrected Camaro. I'm glad GM is bringing it back. It's a classic model that other companies would kill for to have that kind of name recognition for a new car. They were shortsighted when they killed it, focusing on trucks/SUVs. Just don't talk about it for 5 yrs. Just do it. Something I worry about is Chrysler's shaky future. Cerberus talks a good game as far as saving Chrysler. But their track record says Chrysler is just their latest churn & burn takeover. What if I need new cupholders for my 300 in 2012? LOL
  • coolrunningcoolrunning Posts: 117
    This is true. I wish things had worked out better and the marriage between Daimler and Chrysler was still intact. Of the former "Big Three", Chrysler always seemed to have the innovation to strike out on new paths when the others preferred to standby and watch. Originality in design and technology was always the name of the game. I think they have made some of the most beautiful cars ever in the last 10 years. I owned two 300M's before my 300C's and loved the sleek styling of them. I would much rather see GM break up than Chrysler anyday. It seems that since the mega conglomerate absorbed such companies as Buick, Oldsmobile and Cadillac (all originally independent) the quality of the products dimished rapidly as did the originality (i.e., personality) of each product line. I would rather see a lot of small companies thrive than the monster corporations, who typically lack the imagination needed to thrill us with new ideas.
  • coolrunningcoolrunning Posts: 117
    This is true. I wish things had worked out better and the marriage between Daimler and Chrysler was still intact. Of the former "Big Three", Chrysler always seemed to have the innovation to strike out on new paths when the others preferred to standby and watch. Originality in design and technology was always the name of the game. I think they have made some of the most beautiful cars ever in the last 10 years. I owned two 300M's before my 300C's and loved the sleek styling of them. I would much rather see GM break up than Chrysler anyday. It seems that since the mega conglomerate absorbed such companies as Buick, Oldsmobile and Cadillac (all originally independent) the quality of the products dimished rapidly as did the originality (i.e., personality) of each product line. I would rather see a lot of small companies thrive than the monster corporations, who typically lack the imagination needed to thrill us with new ideas.
  • sls002sls002 Posts: 2,788
    GM is one hundred years old this year. So Buicks have been rapidly going downhill for 100 years :sick: Somehow I think your post is way overblown. Leland supplied Oldsmobile with engines way back when, but Oldmobile did not want Leland's newest, and best engine. So Leland started building Cadillac's to use the newest and best engine. Leland's Cadillac was a mid-priced car, not a luxury car. Without GM taking these independent companies over, they would have meandered down some totally different path, probably all going bankrupt during the depression.

    I would agree that in the last 25 years (from about 1980 or so) GM has drifted along and not done well. I think that they are improving now. Actually, GM probably was at its best in the 1960's, when they should have started down a different path than they actually took, but hindsight is always better than foresight.
  • rrosellrrosell Posts: 16
    Tell me about it! A 98 De Ville, which I love, but the leak is there and now the whole AC unit has to be replaced. Time to go. Would like to find another sitting in a garage with 300 miles on it.
  • You are correct. The last Pacifica was built in 2008. I can't understand why they would drop such a beautiful design and continue to build something like the PT Cruiser. At least the Pacifica was useable and comfortable.
  • nace818nace818 Posts: 140
    I just checked out a 2010 300 S. It's a new model designation. I think it is one of the finest 300's I've seen. Dark grille smoked head and tail lamp lenses and more. The one I looked was white which I think is the best color because of the darked out parts. It had every option except a moonroof and listed for about 38,500 I think. Anyway, does everyone else think it is as fine as I do? My main problem is that the 2011 is a total redesign and it will be outdated in a few months. I really don't know what to do. I guess there may be a 2011 300 S, but can;'t say for sure.
  • 1atomic1atomic Posts: 1
    the chrysler 300S will be out in the summer as a 2012 model. the interior looks great... love the red/black leather of the teasers i have seen. i heard that it will be available with either the awesome v6 (we have a 2011 300 limited) or hemi v8. hmm... i am wondering if the 5.7 liter v8 model will still be called "300C" when the "S" marque is applied.

    we needed to replace our older 300C we leased (for a 2011 model) before the '12 model year when things get pretty exciting at chrysler: the 8 speed gated automatics (v6 only), "S" models; the all new SRT-8 with 6.4 liter hemi v8; AWD 6 & 8 cylinder versions; etc.

    well, i only have great things to say about the '11 300 limited based on our experience, but would wait for the '12 to get the new transmission and "S" edition, as well as AWD option for BOTH v6 and v8 models. for '11, AWD is sold only with the hemi v8.
  • I just traded in my 2006 300C Heritage Edition on a 2011 Town & Country, to upgrade our road trip vehicle. My only complaint with my 300C was the small trunk; otherwise it was a fabulous road car... I was surprised to discover how much the Town & Country had improved since our 2000 model. The new 3.6L V6 engine is said to become one of the standard choices available in all Chrysler models soon, including the Jeep line. I am very impressed with this engine so far. In the T&C, it is mated with a 6 speed transmission. On the highway I have been able to get 27 mpg at 80 mph! I can't imagine what would happen if I had an 8 speed. As much as I love my 5.7 HEMI (I still have another one), I am convinced the technology has improved far beyond my expectations and I may very well end up with a 300S as well. These are the best Chryslers ever made! :D
  • I'm a baby boomer who likes RWD cars. I currently drive a 1992 Mercury Gran Marquis which has been discontinued by Ford. Now that I'm in the market for a new vehicle, I would like to still buy a RWD if possible but I know my choices are limited. Therefore, I would like to consider the 2012 or 2013 Chrysler 300C with the Hemi since I grew up with V-8's. However, I have a concern about Chrysler products because back in the day, Chryslers always had quality control issues especially around fit and finish and people who owned them would say they were good for 3 years or so and then you could expect maintenance issues. Also, I wonder how Chrysler cars will hold up now that the corporation is owned by Fiat. Can anyone provide me with some feedback about these concerns and their experiences/issues with the 300C? I'm also considering the Cadillac CTS, Mercedes C and E series, BMW 5-series, Mustang GT, and if I get desperate even the Lincoln MKS if I can't find a good RWD. Thanks for your help!
  • coolrunningcoolrunning Posts: 117
    It is nice to see there are still people out there who are subjective enough to ask for input from long time owners instead of simply assuming that Chryslers deserve the disrespect they often get from those who only remember the "K" cars of the late 70's/early 80's. I have owned Fords and GM products as well as Hondas and Toyotas. My first Chrysler product was a Plymouth Voyager. It was an incredibly useful vehicle that served our family well for nearly 10 years. I drove a Mercury Sable during this time that was the absolute worst car I have ever owned. It was in the dealership more than my garage and I eventually bought a 1999 Chrysler 300M to replace it. It was used, with 44.000 miles on it. I wasn't sure if I was going to regret it but I fell in love with this car. I never had a problem with this car. It was such a sweet ride, beautiful, loaded and just a pleasure to drive. I traded it after 5 years for another used 300M. This one was a 2004 Special. It was the upgraded model of the 300M with 18" wheels, dual exhaust, ground effects, HID headlights, two-tone leather interior, two-tone paint and a high performance V6 with the same 5 speed autostick transmission. It was a blast to drive and a real head turner. By this time, we had also upgraded our van to a 2000 Chrysler Town & Country LXI which was loaded with everything you could need. My wife retired in 2006 and I decided she had been driving minivans for long enough and I wanted to treat her to a new 300C. After researching them for months, I settled on the 2006 Chrysler 300C Heritage Edition. It was a limited edition with special packaged features that made it stand out from all the rest. It was also the only way you could get a red one (Crystal Inferno Red Pearlcoat) at the time. So, I had two of the best Chryslers in my garage side by side: a 2004 300M and a 2006 300C. Life was good. That is until I drove the 300C more and more. The 5.7L HEMI V8 was a far cry from the HP V6 in the 300M. I began to realize that I had bought her the car I really wanted. Six months passed and I began to search for an identical twin 300C HE. I found one in Dallas, Texas and made the deal over the phone. I drove over 500 miles to trade my beloved 300M Special in on the second 300C HE. It was fun to have two identical cars. She loved hers and I loved mine. We even got special license plates: MY300C and HR300C. We never have had any mechanical or electrical problems with any of our Chrysler products. After 5 years, my wife said she loved her car, but she missed her van. We used to go tent camping and it is tough to carry all the stuff we did in the van in the trunk of a 300C! As much as I loved the cars, I decided she was right. I could trade one of them in on a new van and still enjoy the other. She is now the proud owner of a 2011 Chrysler Town & Country Limited that has about everything they offer on the option list. What impressed me most about this version is the engine. The 3.6L V6 Pentstar engine has 282 HP and a 6 speed transmission behind it. We have put about 15.000 miles on it with no problems. We like to take long road trips through the Rocky Mountains and the deserts of the Southwest and this vehicle is the best road car we have ever owned! It is powerful and fuel efficient. Comfort is its main virtue and it is hard to believe how far they have come since the first generation. I would highly recommend Chrysler products to anyone. I am still driving my 2006 300C and will probably continue to keep it forever. I have nearly 60,000 miles on it and it has the original brakes. I am currently shopping for tires, but can probably get another 10K out of them. If I was shopping for a new car, I would consider the 2012 300C and the 300 Limited. As much as I enjoy my HEMI, I would highly recommend you test drive both for at least a day. Yes, the HEMI is fast! But, for all around performance in all conditions, you might find yourself lovong the 300 Limited. The same V6 Pentstar engine that is in my 2011 Town & Country now resides under the hood of the 300 Limited, but with an 8 speed transmission! I rented one for two weeks recently, and saw 28 to 31 mpg average. It runs better than my 1985 Mustang GT. You really owe it to yourself to give them a try. I prefer to buy American, and these are very reliable and durable cars, unlike anything the big three were building 20 years ago. On that note, when Daimler-Benz got involved with Chrysler it was a very positive influence. My 300C benefited by getting a Mercedes 5 speed autostick transmission, the suspension design of a Mercedes 300 series and much larger and effective 4 wheel disc brakes. There are subtle torsion bar and handling tweeks found under the car that were added by the Germans as well. The interior of the new Chysler 300 is so much improved over my 2006, I am jealous. It is a great update and it makes the driving experience much more pleasurable. The ride quality is much improved as well. The new 300C is a bit firmer due to the larger wheels, high performance low profile tires, and stiffer suspension for snappy cornering. I prefer the smoother ride of the 300 Limited. Unless you are going to drive around corners like you are attempting to evade arrest, a four door sedan should ride more like a luxury car. (I am not impressed with the ride of the new Cadillacs & BMWs for the same reason). Give Chrysler a fair chance. They are a great value, and much more reliable and durable than you might think. I will likely be driving them exclusively for the rest of my days. Since Daimler-Benz decided to pull out allowing FIAT to buy about 30% of the company, the infusion of new money and management has already had a positive effect. Chrysler shed over 200 non-productive dealerships nationwide keeping only the productive franchises open. The product lineup has been culled (as it should) eliminating specific vehicles for which the market was already saturated with or there was hardly any market at all (i.e. the Prowler, Crossfire). New models abound and Chrysler has become the best version of itself striking fear in the competition. The industry is more competitive than ever and Chrysler has proven to be a valid contender. Chrysler actually builds and sells concepts that others were just dreaming about. Seriously, no other company can provide you with more value, integrity, style and fun all in one package. They produce an excellent product. The next challenge for them is to bring the service departments up to the same high standards. :)
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