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Honda Civic vs. Hyundai Sonata

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  • targettuningtargettuning Posts: 1,371
    CORRECTION...Hyundai depreciation is NOT up but instead it is down...less depreciation so they are worth more at trade time.
  • jlemoinejlemoine Posts: 25
    That's good to know but for me well, I tend to keep my cars for a long time. My family now owns three Hyundias, a 2002 Elantra, 2002 Sonata and a new 2006 Sonata. All have been bulletproof which is why I keep buying them . As far as Hyundias not having as high of brand acceptance as Honda or Toyota, thats great!!. Thats the reason I'm not paying a HUGE premium that I would have to pay if I had bought either the Hondas or Toyotas. Heck I love it when I see owners buying Econaboxes like the civic or Corolla for 2-3 thousand more than I paid for my latest Sonata and I get the better warranty protection to boot.
  • doug35doug35 Posts: 5
    Well it may be "incredibly easy" to get a good deal on a Honda in TX, but in AZ it is not. We shopped for a 2006 Civic and a 2006 Sonata - the Honda dealers do not want to deal. Plus no rebates. In comparison, the Hyundai dealers want to deal and Hyundai provides generous rebates. We purchased a brand-new 2006 Sonata - 4 banger with an auto for $13,800.00! Try to buy any new Honda for that price (maybe you could get a stripped Fit). Also when you factor in the standard features and warranty, the Sonata wins hands down.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    You get more metal and a bigger back seat for the money with the Sonata.
    Whether a Civic is worth it depends on how much value you give to fuel economy.
    The Civic gets 30 city 40 highway.
    I don't think there is another automatic vehicle other than a much more expensive hybrid that is at least as comfortable as a Civic that gets better fuel economy for less money.
    The Corolla is the only car with close gas mileage, but it's a much older design that's noisy and less comfortable.
    If you want a car as comfortable or more comfortable than a Civic sedan with better fuel economy, you have to look at a Prius or Camry hybrid.
    Even most/all subcompacts with automatic transmission get lower fuel economy than a Civic and don't even offer cruise control.
  • doug35doug35 Posts: 5
    Like you, I am very impressed with the Civic's gas mileage rating. The Sonata 4 with auto trans gets 24 city/33 highway mpg - but when you factor in the real-world price difference that I experienced: $5000.00, you can see why I chose the bigger, quieter, better optioned Sonata. I am the first one to admit, the Honda Civic is a stunning car - but it is also overpriced. The rear suspension problem also sounds troubling. Maybe they will get it sorted out in the next year or two. If mileage and price are the two most important factors, I would look at the Nissan Versa.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    Nissan Versa is a curious choice or consideration for anyone who mentions reliability as being a negative aspect of a Honda Civic.

    "I heard of some problems with the Honda Civic, so I think I'll go buy a first year Versa (which I assume will have less problems)!"

    What?!!

    The Renault/Nissan new car is likely to have more, not less problems. At the least, you should wait for a year to see what owners report for problems.
    It is also kind of ugly too.
  • alamocityalamocity Posts: 680
    Don't know what part of Tx heel2toe was talking about but none of the dealers in the San Antonio or Houston area were willing to go below invoice but then I haven't seen any Hyundai dealers selling Sonata's for $13,800.00 either, more like 1 percent over invoice on the GLS four cylinder. You got a heck of a deal
  • my GF has it and i drive it daily, and i'm thoroughly disappointed by her civic. we reget buying civic(yes, we did crossshop)over sonata lx(18.7k OTD), which was cheaper than civic lx(19.3k OTD).

    we are taking it to the service because we have a strange noise when we reverse, more than usual vibration, and very weak AC. we get about 22-24/32-35 which is better than sonata, but not as good as it is advertised.

    i can't help to think that this is just another a 15k car with very good looks and very very good looking interior. except she bought it for 19k.

    we really really miss sonata's accelaration, comfort, size, warranty, and etc. and i have to say sonata has a better build quality even though civic has a better material.
  • jack47jack47 Posts: 312
    sonata has a better build quality

    Wonder if that is due to the fact that the Sonata is put together by robots....that don't have hangovers, bad days, etc. :confuse:
  • seniorsenior Posts: 13
    I own a 2001 Hyundai xg300.I bought new.It looks brand new and has only 24,000 miles on it.Having nothing to do one day I stopped in a Honda dealer to look at their cars,and test drove a '06 Civic.Not bad,told salesman just looking.He said when I was ready to deal,to sell my car first they didn't want my XG as a trade in,since it wasn't worth anything,I said fine I'buy a Sonata,Hyundai will give me a much better car and decent trade in.What arragence.
  • I've found arrogance at Honda, Toyota and Nissan dealers. Maybe if I had gone to Ford and Chevy dealers I would have gotten the same thing. The Chrysler dealers were pleasant enough, got to drive anything I wanted. Of course at that time a Hyundai never even entered my consciousness. The more I read, the more road tests I watch on Edmund's the better I feel that I made the right choice buying a Sonata. The dealer seems genuinely interested in my repeat business. They seem competent, though I haven't had to really use them much. I have dealt with the local Ford, Chrysler, Dodge and Chevrolet dealers in the past and they have left me from luke warm to raging in their service of past vehicles. Time will tell.
  • bhmr59bhmr59 Posts: 1,598
    Good luck with your dealer service and good luck regarding the "E" (forget its name) storm predicted to hit the Gulf.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,707
    to be arrogant. That's ridiculous. Nissan cars and trucks are good but not that good. Honda dealers should be smarter than that, too. Acting like their cars are the best doesn't make Honda's the best. And Toyota is having big-time quality control issues now. Word has it that they have fired most of their experienced engineers? What is up with that news, gentlemen?

    If it's true Toyota quality will get worse before it gets better. Hyundai and my favorite Kia are looking better all the time for a new car choice.

    2011 Kia Soul Sport 5-speed

  • her civic has misaligned panels every where. i mean i own an acura and never had a problem with build quality.

    anyway, brake is making noise. we are definitely taking it to the service.
  • Well to be fair the local Honda dealer is also the local Mercedes and BMW dealer. I suppose most people who walk through their doors are expected to pay a premium for the cars they sell. Price is the ultimate snobbery after all.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I've never had an "arrogant" experience at the dealership we use, but it is a "small-town" type dealership, not a megastore near the interstate.

    Our Honda dealer didn't want to trade-in our 1996 Chrysler Sebring Convertible back in the late 90s (we were trading it on a Civic EX coupe, 1998). The sales manager told us, flat out, that the car was not something most perspective Honda customers were likely to want. It turns out that he was correct; the car sat on the used portion of the lot for over two months, before finally taking the car to auction..

    Perhaps the Honda dealer felt like he couldn't sell the Hyundai on his lot and make a profit, while offering you a fair price? It's not totally out of the realm of possibility, given that Hyundai's still aren't on the good side of the resale wagon...yet. A Hyundai dealer is much more apt to sell a used, reasonably low-demand Hyundai.
  • targettuningtargettuning Posts: 1,371
    We bought a new 2006 Civic a little less than a year ago, it was one of the first several thousand built in the Ohio plant. From day one and with 9 miles on the odometer I noticed a faint right rear suspension noise. In July with 4500 miles the noise got so bad even my wife commented on it and she drove our old 62 Falcon without oil back in about 1970 long enough for it to lock up and never heard all the rod bearings knocking like hell. Anyhow, both rear shocks leaked with the right side dry and clanking. Yeah, they were replaced under warranty but I had to take a day off work and wait in a dealer lounge yet again with a new Honda yet! Now I hear another commonly reported noise in the front "glovebox area" thought to be a motor mount but not yet covered by a TSB or any other Honda issued remedy I have found. I truly wish I had gone forward with my original plan to buy a 2006 Sonata LX (now Limited)back then. Fuel economy is not everything..nice but not everything. Speaking of fuel economy the Civic seems to be getting about 24 to 25 around town, sounds good right? well I have a rental 2006 Chevy Malibu with a 4 cylinder right now that has a fuel economy readout and it is at 23.4 with similar type in town driving and posted 30+ in mixed highway, mountain, and mountain with 4 passengers driving.I am NOT a Chevrolet fan but that seems pretty good to me. So, I am not really pleased with the Honda and think it is beautiful to look at but rides on the coat-tails its previous great reputation and is overpriced to boot. I had owned 2 Santa Fe's and an Elantra before the Honda mistake and I am going back to Hyundai.
  • w9cww9cw Posts: 888
    Re. Mercedes dealers and people expected to pay premium prices, this is generally correct. This is off topic, but here's an example that supports "cajuncyclers" statement: Mercedes-Benz anti-freeze/coolant, some of the best coolant you can buy, costs $22/gallon at the dealer. But, wait, it's made by Valvoline for Mercedes! Smart shoppers know Valvoline Zerex G-05 coolant is exactly the same chemical formulation, and even the same color (yellow), available at NAPA for $11/gallon. Now, back on topic . . .
  • w9cww9cw Posts: 888
    We live in a Big Ten conference university "town," and our Honda dealer is a combined BMW/Honda dealership. They are cordial and helpful, but there is a tinge of arrogance in their interaction with customers. And, their service prices are very high in my opinion, maybe a result of the BMW franchise.

    While between jobs a few years ago, I worked as a salesman at a local domestic new car dealer, and we were instructed never to denegrate the competition, either dealerships or products. Any good salesperson knows it's not really ethical, or nice, to knock the competition. However, I see this happening often at Honda and Toyota dealerships, especially in relation to Hyundai. Perhaps Hyundai has finally gotten their attention??
  • jack47jack47 Posts: 312
    ....Any good salesperson knows it's not really ethical, or nice, to knock the competition. However, I see this happening often at Honda and Toyota dealerships, especially in relation to Hyundai. Perhaps Hyundai has finally gotten their attention??....

    I would never assume that any car salesman was ethical. :mad:

    Maybe one or two are...but I would never assume it.
  • tomsr1tomsr1 Posts: 130
    Salesmen and politicians have a lot in common.The silver tongued devils both will steal from widows and orphans.
    At least a salesman is not feeding from the public trough. :P
  • Savagekei05 wrote this about Hyundais: "Yes, they have the best warranty because they know their cars cannot last long. "

    Just wanted to add my two cents about about warranties and Total Cost to Own (TCO) because several people on this thread have it wrong/incomplete or just have a different opinion from me. I have owned two Honda products and now own a Sonata so I don't think I'm being biased.

    As to warranties, I really don't think that manufacturers offer a longer warranty if their products are inferior to others. A warranty is just one of the ways manufacturers use to entice buyers. It acts as both a feature and as an assurance. As any feature, it costs the manufacturer money, just like low interest financing, lots of standard features, free service... So the shorter it is, the less it costs the manufacturer. The longer it is, the less money the manufacturer has available to put into other features or to take as profit. As an assurance, the duration that a manufacturer offers is much more based on customer perceived quality than actual quality. JD Power, Consumer Reports and the like reflect quality scores closer to actual current quality. Customer perception may be based on actual and previous perceived quality from years ago, like with American cars and Hyundai vehicles. Both are much better than they used to be. It's kind of good for Hyundai owners that now actual quality is quite good while public perception may be lagging. So we get a longer warranty on a vehicle that's less likely to need warranty work. It's a nice safety net. My Hyundai hasn't needed any warranty work. Only one of my Hondas was purchased new and that didn't need any warranty work, either.

    As to TCO, Edmunds gives it for 5 years of ownership. This time period probably indicates that Hondas cost less to own than comparable Hyundais and may be on par with Hyundais if we take into account the actual price we paid after negotiations and rebates, if any.

    If we own our vehicle a long time then the depreciation factor may swing in Hyundai's favor. After 10 years the $22,000 Honda may be worth $2,500 and the $18,000 Hyundai may be worth $1000. Yes, the Honda is worth more than double. However, the Honda lost $19,500 of value while the Hyundai lost only $17,000. So if you want to look at cost of ownership, it's important to think about how long you plan to own your vehicle. I plan to own mine a long time. And my V6 cost me less than a comparable 4 cylinder Accord. Of course, gas for the V6 will cost more than for the 4. But I could have gotten a 4 cylinder Sonata if I wanted to make a fair comparison.

    In the end, when discussing the merits and shortcomings of vehicles, there's no reason to bash one car maker when comparing to another. Each company makes vehicles that appeal to different people. And that's good. The more competition, the more choice for all of us and the lower prices for all of us no matter which car we choose!
  • drdonrsdrdonrs Posts: 164
    My son owns an 04 Accord V6 EX and let me tell you my 06 Sonata LX6 and Azera Limited has it all over that car. His car was delivered with loose engine mounts, his brake pads failed in less then 10,000 miles and the rotors were out of round. A known fact that Honda uses CHEAP brake pads. Now he has all 4 shocks completely non functional and Honda is replacing them under warranty. I'll match my Hyundai's to any car in their class. If you are still around you would know that Hyundai quality is on a par with any manufacturer and in many instances it's better. I came out of Accura TL's (leased 6 over recent years) and I don't, for one minute, regret switching to Hyundai, my Sonata is 1 year old and my Azera is 5 months old, and my wife and I are enjoying them both. :) :P
  • jack47jack47 Posts: 312
    Savagekei05 wrote this about Hyundais: "Yes, they have the best warranty because they know their cars cannot last long. "

    Another classic oxymoron.
  • joecarnutjoecarnut Posts: 215
    Well said.
    I have a friend that works for Hyundai and is in a great position to know of their quality.
    And from what I've learned from him, a Hyundai Sonata is definitely on my short list now for a new car along with the Civic Sedan, Camry, and Rav4.

    I also appreciate that Hyundai's feel bigger inside and always seem to have great leg room. And now they are including XM radio on most trims.
    And the standard safety feature is a plus.
  • gpkgpk Posts: 38
    I own a 06' Civic EX and I think that this car is wonderful. But at the same time I have heard good things about Hyundai as well. I like the Sonata because it offers a lot of value. I do wonder how everybody claims really low prices for the Sonata. I see them all list for 21000+. My only concern is resale.
    As far as arrogance at Honda dealers well that goes without saying. I think that out of the 10 dealerships that I have been to I think maybe only 1 has been all right. My next car I plan on cross shopping. I have been a Honda fan for a long time but the arrogance is really getting on my nerves.
  • targettuningtargettuning Posts: 1,371
    While they may list for $21K (plus or minus) depending on model options etc. they usually have rebates of a grand or so plus you can negotiate a bit. Try that with a Honda dealer especially on a Fit or Civic when gas is creeping upwards. You absolutely can buy a Sonata GLS with more everything (except fuel economy perhaps)for less than an EX auto sedan Civic if you check around. Resale on Hyundai products is going up as the good news spreads and people have positive experiences with them. It took Honda and Toyota for that matter quite a while to establish the perceived quality image they rightly or wrongly have right now. We have been a Hyundai "family" owning 4 (2000 Elantra,2003 Elantra, 2002 and 2003 Santa Fe) until I bought the 2006 Civic we now own. I was totally happy with Hyundai and now am less than happy with Honda. Do not be afraid to look at Hyundai they are not junk.
  • flc2006flc2006 Posts: 81
    In my opinion the Sonata is better buy than those Japanese compacts because the top of the line models cost as much as mid level sonata, if resale is your thing go with Honda, but if value is your thing go with the sonata with the V6, i was going to buy a Scion TC spec package even the sonata was 4k more than scion but it had a V6, front and rear Airbags,Electronic stability control with traction control, the sonata has my name written all over it, i'm glad did not settle for less
  • rick2456rick2456 Posts: 320
    Seems to me that a comparision of the Civic with the Elantra would be more fair. I have owned both Hyundai's and Honda's and haven't had problems with either. But you do pay a premium for the Hondas and unless you trade in every year or so, you don't get it back.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,728
    It might be more fair to the Civic to compare the Elantra to it, but since (as noted earlier) the Sonata can be had for about the same money or actually much less than a comparable Civic (e.g. advertised price in my town last weekend for a Sonata GLS was $13,998), buyers may compare the Civic and Sonata if they are looking for "most car for the dollar." Those looking for a small car with high fuel economy won't shop the Sonata of course.
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