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Cadillac CTS - Quality that lasts?

cumptrnrdcumptrnrd Posts: 52
I'm thinking about buying a new car and the Cadillac CTS is one of my considerations. I was wondering if owners could tell me any griefs they've had with the car, major or minor. I just want a car that will be as trouble free as possible. Also, if anyone knows any other useful information about the car (i.e. how the 2006 Buick Lucerne is using the '91 Northstar V8) it would be much appreciated.

I have a '01 Pontiac Montana, and I'm very reluctant to buy another GM vehicle, be it a Chevy or a Cadillac. In 70,000 miles, we've already had the transmission rebuilt, AC compressor and condensor replaced, and the majority of the major brake system components replaced, just to name a few major problems. Compared to its competition at the time, at $35k, the car was not even cheap either.

If I'm about to drop another $30k+ on another GM, I want to make sure it's not a money pit like our Montana. Thanks.
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  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,989
    (i.e. how the 2006 Buick Lucerne is using the '91 Northstar V8) it would be much appreciated.

    The Lucerne isn't using the same Northstar that was created in 1991' Actually their has been a few revisions to the Northstar oe of them which allows the current Northstar to run on 87' octane if one chooses to do so at a minor hp. loss. ;)

    I have a '01 Pontiac Montana, and I'm very reluctant to buy another GM vehicle, be it a Chevy or a Cadillac. In 70,000 miles, we've already had the transmission rebuilt, AC compressor and condensor replaced, and the majority of the major brake system components replaced, just to name a few major problems. Compared to its competition at the time, at $35k, the car was not even cheap either.

    I'm sorry you had a few problems with the Montana. All I can say is they are getting better with quality. GM isn't taking steps backward, but is taking leaps forward in quality and reliability. Sure some models have a ways to go, but it's getting better.


    If I'm about to drop another $30k+ on another GM, I want to make sure it's not a money pit like our Montana. Thanks.


    For peace of mind I reccommend getting the GM bumper to bumper factory warranty up to 100K negotiated in the final sale of your vehicle if you pay cash, or do a traditional finace loan. The standard 4 yr. 50K should cover most on a lease, unless you buy more miles upfront and drive it further than the avg. person. :shades:

    Rocky

    P.S. Check out the 60 minutes video posted on his site if you want to get a peek at the CTS interior and grill. :blush:

    http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=110105
  • temj12temj12 Posts: 450
    We have an '05 CTS. This is the first Cadillac for us. I am impressed with the car. We have 22,000 miles on the car and I am pleased with the service. In the beginning, we had a recall on a computer chip. They are all standing around here. Other than that, it has been trouble free.

    One thing that you will need to remember is to keep the tires rotated. The recommendation is to do this at least every 7,500 miles. I did not and the tires became very noisy.
  • slopoke1slopoke1 Posts: 5
    My wife has owned a 2003 CTS since March 2002, one of the first delivered to the Washington DC area. It has been pretty much trouble free and is as much fun to drive as when she first got it. On those infrequent occasions when it has needed work the Cadillac dealer has been great. I drive a Lexus GX470 and find the Lexus dealer displays an attitude and arrogance which we used to find only with the dealers handling the upscale German products. In summary the CTS is a great car and do not underestimate the importance of the dealer.
  • cumptrnrdcumptrnrd Posts: 52
    I definitely don't discount the importance of the dealer anymore, especially when the dealer we bought our Montana pretty much sent us out to our death.

    6 months after doing a complete brake job, our front pads were completely worn, and the dealer simply told us that we needed another brake job and that they had worn so fast due to "driving style." That was after religious regular mainteance and loyalty to the same dealer. I refused to accept that explanation, and they made me sign a waiver before they let me take the car.

    When we got the car checked out elsewhere, the caliper lines were pinched, so it was basically like we were driving with our foot on the brake, and the wheel cylinders in the rear drums were leaking, which explains why we had to get the brakes adjusted EVERY time we brought the car in. Not to mention that the tie rods were pretty worn, and the dealer didn't even mention it.

    Anyway, I'm glad to be reading good things about the CTS. I have heard all good things about it, but after such a bad experience with a GM car, it's hard to commit to another one.

    So... Just get an '06, or wait for the '08? Hmm...
  • cumptrnrdcumptrnrd Posts: 52
    Can anybody from the Chicagoland area make a recommendation on a good dealership? I don't mind paying a little more if it means much better service in the long run (note I said a LITTLE :) ).
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    You might also check in our Cadillac CTS: Prices Paid & Buying Experience discussion.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,764
    where in the chicagoland area are you?

    The sign said "No shoes, no shirt, no service", it didn't say anything about no pants.

  • cumptrnrdcumptrnrd Posts: 52
    Hey, I recognize you from the '06 Sonata board. haha

    I live in the northwest suburbs of Chicago. Heard of Northbrook?
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,764
    yeah I know northbrook but not familar with any of the dealers near there.

    The sign said "No shoes, no shirt, no service", it didn't say anything about no pants.

  • Listen, this is not really GM's fault.

    Although it seems everything is GM's fault if it occurs with GM cars. In this case, its not your fault (the driver), but that dealer needs to be sued.

    There needs to be some sort of action you can take. Not only does it speek poorly of the the people who work in that dealership, or the Brand assciated with that dealership, but also lack of human concern. This goes beyond buying any car. GM engineered this Vehicle to be better than world class, and it is in many ways one of the most advanced 4 doors GM ever made for the price.

    This is a matter of justice, you would have had a much better experience if the dealer did his/her job. Get a Lawyer, and sue that dealership for everything they have.

    Usually i think lawsuits hurt everyone, but in this case, get them!

    Oh yea, and I would wait for the '08 :)
  • pearlpearl Posts: 336
    Seems that Cadillac needs to get this car to dealers asap. Anyone heard that Caddy may release it early (Feb/Mar)?
  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moPosts: 12,248
    I have a '01 Pontiac Montana, and I'm very reluctant to buy another GM vehicle, be it a Chevy or a Cadillac. In 70,000 miles, we've already had the transmission rebuilt, AC compressor and condensor replaced, and the majority of the major brake system components replaced, just to name a few major problems. Compared to its competition at the time, at $35k, the car was not even cheap either.

    If I had that many problems I would say it is time to look for another car company. You couldn't seriously consider another GM?? :surprise:

    2012 535ix 2013 Audi A4 2013 Passat

  • 1997montez341997montez34 Posts: 201
    No offense cumptrnrd, but anyone who did their homework would know to steer clear of the GM minivans. They are garbage in pretty much every way. They are notoriously dangerous and are panned by just about every reviewer. Sorry you got duped, but it only takes a quick read of Edmunds to figure out what NOT to buy.

    That said, GM does make some awesome cars & trucks. My mom and step-dad have a '03 CTS and a '04 Escalade, and both have been very reliable. My father had a '02 Impala LS that was also very reliable. He now has a Dodge Magnum RT that is doing very well. My '03 Honda Accord just cost me $1000 to repair the AC, but that's another story.... :)
  • thebugthebug Posts: 294
    I was told by Caddy of Las Vegas that it would hit the showroom April 07. Orders will be taken at years beginning. I have the 03,(and lovin it) and I too am waiting for the 08. With all the improvements this car will be a hit as well. Can't wait.

    The bug...
  • temj12temj12 Posts: 450
    I have an '05 CTS with 24,000 miles. I have a rear-end roar at around 70mph. Has anyone had this same experience. If you have, what did the dealer do to solve the problem.
  • temj12temj12 Posts: 450
    I posted a message in another forum on here. I have a CTS with 24,000 miles on it. At 70mph, there is a rear-end roar that has developed. Has anyone else had this problem?
  • pbeerspbeers Posts: 26
    I currently own an '04 CTS-V. Bought it in Dec'04 and now with 14K miles on it I've had zero problems. Great car and a blast to drive. I also used to own an '04 SRX V8. Same thing, no problems, completely trouble free vehicle. Having not been a previous Cadillac owner, I can't say enough now about how impressed I am with their quality. All makes have their problems, but I think overall these are very well made vehicles...
  • iarmaniarman Posts: 4
    Yes I had the same problem, even though Cadillac denied it. Finally after very much difficulty, Cadillac replaced the rear end carriage. No problem since that time. Good Luck
  • I've owned a 2004 CTS for 2 years now and have no problems with my car. We get great service at our dealership. The only problem is we have a baby and there is not enough room so we are actually considering selling and getting toyota sienna.
  • I am in the market for a used car and saw a 2003 Cadillac CTS for 12900. It has 102K miles on it so i wondering if the would be a good buy. I work from home so I won't be putting too many miles on it. Plus i get a discount on american cars so what do you think. Are CTS's worth getting over 100K?
  • breaga01breaga01 Posts: 6
    It is un fortunate that you have to pay another $2500-$3000 for an extended warranty for something that should of been included in the price of the vehicle. For 2007 GM finally got smart and included the warranty in the price. If GM cannot give you quality, at least now they give you a longer warranty.
  • breaga01breaga01 Posts: 6
    I hand to replace my tires at 24000 miles. I was starting to hydroplane on water and knew I was in trouble when the snow started. I purchased 4 Yokohama YK520 tires rated at 60,000. I love them, I should of put them on the car right out of the showroom.
  • breaga01breaga01 Posts: 6
    What motor is in the CTS your buying?
    The CTS cars are hard on tires. One minute behind the wheel of the 3.6L and you will see what I mean. They are a fun car to drive. One minute behind the wheel of the CTS-V and your ready to join a NASCAR team.

    I love my CTS, however
    I have the 2005 CTS 3.6L V6 with 30500 miles. At 26K I had an engine noise (a rattle just after starting for about 2-3 seconds) that started just after a LOF. I was told it was a bad starter (which I thought was weird at the time) but the dealer replaced it under warranty. The noise came back at 29K and I check the oil and it was not even on the stick. I added 3 quarts and immediately took it to the dealer for a LOF and checkup. It had about 3500 miles since the last LOF. I was shocked and somewhat naive that a 2005 Cadillac using Mobil 1 (BTW, Oil/filter change $65.00, OUCH!) would be burning oil at that rate with 29K on it. Now at 30500, 1500 miles since last change I am low almost 2 Qts again and I hear the noise again. I have never seen any warning lights or messages and I see no signs of leaks. My oil life is about 55-60% and between 3000-3600 miles between oil/filter changes. Seventy-five percent of my driving is highway with the rest is city getting on and off the highway. I am very fussy about my cars and watch and listen for anything abnormal. I bought the car new and for the first 8-12K I checked the oil on a regular basis because I did not have a history about this car/engine. I noticed that the oil does get dirty faster than my Chevy engines ever have and at 3000miles it was less than 1/2 qt low each time and I wrote that off as still engine break in time. After the first 12K miles I stopped checking it, the dealer never said it was low when it was in for service. So something happened between 12K and 26K that it is now using over a quart per 1000 miles. Something abnormal is going on with this engine. Definitely not acceptable in my book. It was my first Cadillac and I enjoy driving the car but I will not buy another. My 87 Monte Carlo SS 305 has 110000 miles on in and don’t burn 1 quart in over 3000 miles. That’s acceptable! Oil/filter change $18.00. I'll buy that.
  • richw5richw5 Posts: 152
    My CTS is 5 years old and has about 54K miles. It's been one of the best cars I've ever owned. My engine goes 7500 to 8000 miles on an oil change with just a slight tint to the oil. There is almost no change on the dipstick measurement between oil changes.

    My Goodyear tires have 36K miles on them and could go another 10 to 15K before replacement. They were originally replaced on a Goodyear recall at 18K miles. The only problem I have with them is they sing on etched concrete.

    As for the CTS, I had a steering wheel sensor replaced (warranty) and a button that popped on a seat belt which was replaced under warranty. I did have some underbody damage from a tree branch I hit during a really bad rain storm, but Cadillac fixed that under warranty and even gave me a loaner during the repair.

    My CTS experience has been exceptional and neighbors that leased a 2004 CTS, because they saw and drove ours, have just leased a new 2007 CTS Sport. They love their CTS too!
  • I have had two CTS cars a 2003 and 2006 with sport apearance package. The 2003 had the rumbling from new which led me to have an inspection done at 50,000 miles leading to a new rear end installed (at factory expense). My 2006 had rear end leaks replaced three times and finally they replaced the complete rear end (12,000) miles. The 2003 was in the shop (I am not exagerating) 16 times in three years.

    A very frustrating 2003 problem were my 17" (factory polished wheels). Two Goodyear tires blew out at highway speeds with no impact or other probs. I check my tire pressures and inspect every week and in close to a million miles of driving never had had a blow out. Goodyear denied there was a problem and destroyed the tire I had submitted. Previously Caddy had recalled this tire because of cosmetic reasons and replaced four. (sounds a bit suspicious also). Caddy said they could do nothing about tires.

    Now the 18" tire is a Hi performance summer tire (great in the midwest winter) and nobody (three day wait) stocks it. They don't even make an all season recommended replacement.

    Anyway, the CTS is otherwise a nice car but Cadillac falls way short of being a luxury brand. It is a chevy with donuts in the service waiting room.
  • I have 21K and the car is in for service for that very issue today. In fact, it has been there since Friday, last week. No indication from the service manager as to the problem, yet
  • Sorry to hear @ this, I am responding because I am having the same exact issue with my 2005 CTS. I bought the car with 43000 miles on it and the oil was low at the first oil change. I did not think to much about it then, but when driving to St.louis fron Michigan the car started to buck a little bit. I had no indication on the dash of engine trouble. I finnished my drive and went straight to the dealer. They told me I was 4 quarts low on oil! I was shocked because I had Apox 50% oil life and just @ my scheduled oil change mileage. I now have die in my oil form the dealer to find a leak. I'm pretty sure it is not leaking or I would find puddles in the driveway. The dealer is giving me trouble about getting an oil analisys because they want a fresh oil change and drive 500 miles then come back to get the sample. I work all over the midwest so this is not easy.

    I am now @ 53000 miles and out of warentee. not to happy with my purchase!

    I just wanted to ask you if you found the problem with your car?

    Thanks, Dave
  • sls002sls002 Posts: 2,788
    It is the owner/driver's responsibility to check the oil level at some reasonable interval (usually each time you fill the tank with fuel). If you have an oil level sensor (which seems not to be the case), then it should have indicated that the crankcase was low on oil. Oil life and oil consumption are not the same thing. Your engine may use a quart of oil every 2 to 3,000 miles.

    If there is an oil leak the dye (not die) should show where it is coming from.
  • I signed up for this site just to reply to this thread.

    I also have a CTS (2004) with a 3.6l motor. I experience the exact same symptoms as the original poster. I started the car one day and it made a strange noise, went to check the oil and it wasn't on the stick. I put 2 quarts in and took it to the dealer. The dealer says they cannot find an oil leak. It also uses coolant, well it goes somewhere. The GM Dealer claims that they searched the database and nobody has this problem. However a simple google search will show you that these 3.6l motors have problems with oil usage.

    So the dealer says they don't know what is wrong. I inspected the motor and found a minor leak on the rear main seal, but not enough to justify using 2-3 quarts of oil. The rear end also hums like some other people mentioned. I bought this car used with 20k miles on it and started to experience trouble within the first year. It now has 70k miles on it (long highway drives for work) and I am SOL because there was no warranty.

    I would not recommend buying a 3.6l first generation cts. Use a search engine and you will find a ton of results for oil usage.
  • sls002sls002 Posts: 2,788
    So if I understand your post, you were checking the oil every week or every time you filled it with gas, and your car went from full of oil to being 2-3 quarts low in a hundred miles or so? :confuse: :sick:

    If your coolant is also disappearing, then my guess is that you have a leaky head gasket.

    My 2002 Seville used about 1 quart of synthetic oil every 2000 miles. The oil monitor requested oil changes every 10000 miles, so I added about 4 quarts in between changes. My 2007 SRX, with the RWD VVT northstar V8, has been much better on oil, needing none before the first oil change done @11,500 miles. The V6 is a different engine though.
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