Edmunds dealer partner, Bayway Leasing, is now offering transparent lease deals via these forums. Click here to see the latest vehicles!
Options
Natural Gas Prices
The price of natural gas here in California is now only 20 cents less than unleaded.
0
Comments
http://cgi.ebay.com/AireTex-3-5-CFM-SCUBA-Paintball-Compressor_W0QQitemZ7549835109QQcatego- ryZ106436QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
but used.
Motor is brashless anyway, so there will be no sparks at all. I think the case of the compressor can be connected to inlet if there is any ring leak.
So Cal Gas 2.50 (Santa Monica)
2.39 (Glendale)
Long Beach Gas 2.23
Clean Enrgy 2.49
Reg at Union 76 2.89
Looks like the big oil companies have shown the CNG dealers in Calif how to play rip off the customer.
Doesn't the Calif State PUC set natural gas rates - how could these be so artificially high? If that is attributed to recent natural gas cost increases nationwide, folks might as well switch over and heat their homes with gasoline! Not that more government is the answer, but looks like CNG pricing is out of control there. Hope it can get looked into.
During a conversation with an individual ENRG employee (who shall remain nameless) I said that I never used their pumps unless I had to because the price was so high compared to Long Beach and So Cal Gas.
I mentioned that the ENRG prices seemed to track gas prices - that didn't go down well at all! I was told in no uncertain terms by my conversation partner, that he set the prices, and they were not linked to gas prices. He went on to "cry" about how unfair it was of the utilities to sell their CNG at "below cost" - he claimed that the CNG from Long Beach and So Cal Gas was subsidized and poor old ENRG had a hard time making a buck in this unfair market.
So from that day to this, knowing just how unfairly ENRG has been treated I now use only their pumps - Just kidding.
BTW, I know that LBE does not sell below cost and in fact makes money on the station. ENGR is just blowing smoke. Why would the Fountain Valley station be charging 2.049 last month and 2.149 this month when the cost of gas went down by almost $0.030 per gge? Their NOT telling the truth.
Later this year the fed hwy tax will go up but there will be a $0.50 credit back from the feds. To the end user that should drop the price by at least $0.40. Let's see if ENGR drops their prices. I bet NOT.
The only thing stopping me from installing Phill in at home is that their is NO ROI. But if per chance ENGR did take over the LBE station the ROI is there.
I'd love to put in a station somewhere on the 405 and price is below ENGR. Two problems, cost to build the station and you know that ENGR would price their closet station below to try and kill a competting station.
FYI, it would cost at least $100,000 to $175,000 to build a station using referbed equipment.
PS - I don't know if and when they changed the rules, but I got a transponder for free access to the 91 express lanes for my civic gx about 2 years ago, and use it frequently. You just drive through the regular toll lane, not the 3+ lane. I just went in, brought my registration and clean air decal slip, filled out the special access form, and got the transponder....
I suspect that we will know when the change happens as the price will go through the roof, at least compared to LBE's regular pricing. I am not sure what ENRG is currently charging but last time I looked it was at least $2.50. We will also know when the fateful day arrives as ENRG is going to replace the Long Beach pumps with the newer (and in my opinion less effective) type seen at all of their stations.
There will be no completion along the 405 they can raise the price to what ever they want to. I bet that you'll see $3.00 per gge soon.
Can this be stopped? Maybe since the Long Beach city council has not signed the contract yet, may in 3 weeks, we may be able to put pressure on to stop it.
We need to make a mass showing at the city offices and the next city council meeting on the 23rd. If we don't try to stop this now or at least get Long Beach to force Clean Energy to set a fix amount over natural gas cost then get ready to pay $3.00 a gge.
First I know that LBE made a profit on the station, maybe not much, but they did make money instead of losing it.
Also, now all city owned vehicles will be paying more for CNG, not as much as the public but still over the price that the City buys its natural gas for.
I wonder if the contract has taken into consideration the loss of a money making venture, plus the increased cost fueling their fleet with their own resources.
I am still mad that a few years ago the Utilities were pushing NGVs, saying that the price of natural gas was so cheap because we have an abundant domestic supply. Now they see the potential of tracking the price of a gallon of gas, when will their greed end? I guess the environment wasn't the real concern after all was it?
What do you propose?
Azusa 1.98
Ontario 1.72
Gas 3.00+
Using Phill at home ~1.00
Trillium had been $1.73, but recently increased to $1.90. PG&E had been $1.90, but I haven't gotten a bill since Trillium's price went up, and I expect PG&E will also increase. Clean Energy had been around $2.00, but I haven't used them lately.
Hemet 1.98
Diamond Bar 1.99
Placentia 2.25
Garden Grove (CE) 2.45
that is cheaper than I can pump it at home!
(9/5)Diamond Bar went up to 2.09
boo! why? aren't NG futures declining (as well as regular gas prices declining, which we all know CNG seems to track)
Murphy
CNG Motors
thanks,
brian
Murphy
brian
Murphy
MODERATOR /ADMINISTRATOR
Need help navigating? kirstie_h@edmunds.com - or send a private message by clicking on my name.
Share your vehicle reviews
$2.09 at Trillium Berkeley
So fuel prices should drop, I dont understand why they are higher in N. CA.
Anyone know the prices now at the Clean Energy stations?
It is on page 3
http://www.cleanvehicle.org/committee/market/images/AGF40806_AmerGas_NGVarticle.- pdf
yeah!
epi
ps. to the person oregon ... you're killing us californians! don't tell us anymore
$2.05 Trillium on Kryene
$2.01 APS downtown
$1.85 Washington Schools
None of them have instituted the credit yet. Trillium had a sign up that said the $.50 cents was to take affect Oct.1 because because they don't know how to apply it they haven't done anything yet. Bull !@#$
How come other stations have figured it out. CE and Trillium sticking it to the consumer as usual. To be honest I don't know if they actual help promote alternative fuel. Makes you want to open your own station until they buy you out for under cutting them or try to introduce legislation or a case to run you out like what almost happened to Washington Schools.
Just one mans opinion
Diamond Bar 1.85 (SCAQMD Pinnacle) today
Hemet 1.654 (Riverside Transit Authority) yesterday
They have 100% hydrogen in Diamond Bar, I have seen a few of the cars, they look like a Toyota Prius