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Acura TL Tires and Wheels

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  • tlhatertlhater Posts: 23
    Listen people. Say what you want. Who really cares. The point is that tires on any car should last for a reasonable amount of time. One year is not reasonable. 17k miles is not reasonable. I didn't buy a LeMans ready car. I got a Honda. After all Acura is just a fancy term for Honda. One lesson I learned from all of this is that Acura is right is what they do. 95% of the people will just cave and say, oh yeah, Acura is a great company, they're offering a great deal, let's take it. I have been around corporate America too long to fall for that.

    I'll let you know how I make out in court. It has nothing to do with having too much time on my hands or whatever, I called their customer service, they were worthless robots reading from a script. None of them had any authority to make a decision. Who knows, maybe the call center is in India.

    I already sent notice. In two weeks I'll file my claim in court and let's see how they answer it. A judge will decide what is fair. And a judge can decide either way and Acura's lawyers know that.
  • scottm123scottm123 Posts: 1,501
    Court??? LOL

    Did you read the brochure, where it states very clearly that the tires on the TL are performance 17's.... and to expect quicker wear than on a conventional all-season radial tire?

    Suppose not.

    Good luck in court. ;)

    Yes, the Acura is a fancy Honda, but this is why people buy them.
    They offer a higher level of comfort, luxury and performance than that of it's Honda counterpart.

    I own a Honda Accord EX.
    I'm now looking at Acura TLs.

    I'm aware of the differences, did my research and I'm also aware of the fact that the TL's tires will get anywhere between 15,000 and 30,000 miles, depending on driving style and conditions.
    I'm also aware of the fact that this is a performance sedan.

    You did not buy a Honda with an Acura label on it.
    You bought an Acura Sports-Tuned Sedan.

    If you wanted the honda, you should have bought it, and saved up to $10,000 in doing so.
  • ggesqggesq Posts: 701
    "If you wanted the honda, you should have bought it, and saved up to $10,000 in doing so."

    He probably would get 30k on Honda Accord tires as well since they are not low profile high speed rated tires ;)
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    I'm late to this discussion, but I'll throw in my 2 cents anyway. These comments are not directed to anyone in particular, just my observations:

    (1) The Acura TL - especially in automatic form - is NOT a sports sedan. The fact that the 6-speed, which I own, has a stiffer suspension and Brembo brakes, makes it "sportier", and better handling but it is essentially still a sporty FWD family sedan.

    (2) In general, the buying public has been suckered into thinking that 17-18-19" wheels and Z rated 45 series tires on a 62/38 weight un-balanced FWD car turn it into a sports sedan. The reality is that, while the larger wheels and tires may look aesthetically more appealing, they aren't increasing performance in proportion with their wear and cost. My 1995 Nissan Maxima with 15" wheels, 60 series tires that lasted 50,000 miles a set, can handle almost as nimbly as my TL 6-speed. It's FWD and 60/40 weight biased as well, but weighs around 450 lbs less than the TL.

    (3) All season tires on the automatic should be capable of lasting 30,000+ miles, without any noticable decrease in the actual performance of the car. If you're plowing a FWD automatic into corners as though it's an M3, expect to pay the price in tire wear that will be WORSE than a RWD 50/50 balanced M3 (or 330i for that matter).

    (4) All that said, I can still say "so what" with a smile on my face. If you bought a TL and didn't notice that, since the 2004 redesign, it came with 17" 235/45 series tires, well, shame on you. If you actually got a set of bum Tourenza's, go to court if you want. But all Tourenza's are pretty crappy from what I can tell. The (better) Potenza's on my 6-speed only lasted 17,000 miles. Pretty pitiful, since I traded in a Honda S2000 with 18,000 miles on it's original set of tires. Now that is a car that makes good use of rubber - but even it only came with 16" wheels and 55/50 series tires.
  • ggesqggesq Posts: 701
    "The Acura TL - especially in automatic form - is NOT a sports sedan."

    Agreed. However, IMHO even in automatic form it is still a sporty FWD sedan.

    "The fact that the 6-speed, which I own, has a stiffer suspension and Brembo brakes, makes it "sportier", and better handling but it is essentially still a sporty FWD family sedan.
    In general, the buying public has been suckered into thinking that 17-18-19" wheels and Z rated 45 series tires on a 62/38 weight un-balanced FWD car turn it into a sports sedan."

    So you don't think those tires contribute to your "sportier" driving experience?

    My understanding of putting good "rubber" on a vehicle enhances the "performance" feel of a vehicle notwithstanding your obvious dislike for FWD.
  • z71billz71bill Posts: 2,000
    I didn't give this question much thought before we bought the TL. My wife liked the car - so did I - the deal was great - the selection of cars was great - found the exact car we wanted in stock - try to do that with an IS ?50.

    The IS was our first choice - but simply could not find ANY to buy -

    I look at the TL as the sporty version of the Accord! BTW a manual tranny and stiff suspension do not = sport car. My Nissan 4x4 PICKUP had both - but I don't think many would call it a sporty vehicle.

    The issue with the tires comes down to this - is it reasonable for Acura to agree to pay 50% of the cost if the tires last "only" 17,000 miles?

    I say yes -
  • tlhatertlhater Posts: 23
    I disagree and hopefully the court will to. I asked the dealer a question. When I brought the car in for servicing in March of this year, they did a tire rotation. The tech bulletin came out in February. Anyway, I had 11K miles on the car back then. Is someone going to tell me that in 5,000 the tires went from good condition to bald? I don't think so. The fact is this was a known problem in March, the dealer should have told me and Acura should have replaced the tires and fixed the toe then. If it was done then at 11K miles, I would have at least gotten another free tire out of it. That is, they would have paid 75% not 50%.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    "So you don't think those tires contribute to your "sportier" driving experience?"

    Very marginally. I can definitely tell the suspension difference between the automatic and 6-speed. But I doubt that I - or anybody - could tell the difference between 17" 45 series tires and good 16" 55 series when it comes to handling in the TL. Maybe if I was inclined to take it to the track, but I never got to one with my S2000 and I'm still waiting to take a performance driving course before trying with my 911. Our TL gets "sporty" family duty, but not sports car duty.

    "My understanding of putting good "rubber" on a vehicle enhances the "performance" feel of a vehicle notwithstanding your obvious dislike for FWD."

    Several years ago, when Lexus introduced the GS400, they offered a 17" performance wheel and tire package. They ended up giving a lot of customers refunds and their 16" wheels and tires back. The GS suspension was too soft, the tires wore like crazy and the whole thing was an embarassment. A friend with a BMW M5 got more mileage out of his 18" tires than his mild mannered wife did out of their GS400.

    So putting good rubber on a bad chassis is a waste of money. And putting a whole lot of money into tires on a FWD sedan that has a nose heavy weight distribution isn't much better, even if it has a good suspension (which the TL does).

    I've never owned a BMW. But I subscribe to their claimed mantra that everything starts with the chassis and suspension. "Make it faster than the engine" or something like that. "Rubber" is the final element and an important one. But tires can only go so far in making up for engineering flaws or limitations on what they are attached to.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    "BTW a manual tranny and stiff suspension do not = sport car. My Nissan 4x4 PICKUP had both"

    I would agree - but on the other hand, there is no such thing as a (real) sports car with a soft suspension and slushbox. Half full, half empty.... ;)
  • z71billz71bill Posts: 2,000
    Like I said before - I hope you get what you want - but IMO WIN OR LOSE - you lose either way.

    Your tires are worn out right? So are you driving around with worn out tires? Or - Did you park the car? Or what? - maybe drive around in another car and let your new Acura sit in the driveway! That must really be HURTING Acura.

    What if it takes 3 months - or 6 months (or longer) to get this thing to go before a judge - do you just wait?


    habitat1 - I know some think that a car must have a manual to be considered a sports car. I am not so sure - What is a BMW M6 or a Viper - or a Porsche 911 with an auto tranny? A family car?
  • meateatermeateater Posts: 123
    I guess its just me....but a 6 speed in a sedan? OK, but why?
  • scottm123scottm123 Posts: 1,501
    Well, for me, I enjoy telling a car when to shift.
    I also feel that it enhances the car's ability in snow, extends my mileage per gallon, and I get exceptional life out of my brake pads.

    I like driving a stick.
    Yes, the TL is a sedan, but it's a lot of fun to drive, and even more fun with the stick.

    I personally feel that the "Sequential SportShift" automatic is a joke.
    It hesitates.
    I can slap the stick to downshift from 5th to 3rd, and I have enough time to sip my coffee before the car kicks in.
    It's a gimmick for Auto-trans lovers. It downshifts when it wants and not when I tell it to, and downshifting doesn't help in slowing at all.

    I think the stick shift offers more feel, control, and enhances the driving experience.
  • tlhatertlhater Posts: 23
    I had the tires replaced last week at the Acura dealer. Obviously I couldn't drive around with bald tires. They stuck to their agreement that they pay half. The dealer was very understanding with my frustration and let me know that many of their customers are having the same problem. He asked me not to blame them (the dealer) and I told him I know it's not his fault.

    More problems though. The dealer has told me that I have two bent wheels? When I asked him how these could possibly get bent he told me that Acura supplies low quality alloy wheels that when driven over pot-holes (I live in New York), the bend quite easily.

    Another piece of crap put out by Acura. How could they seel a car in New York that can't hold up? I'm adding this to my lawsuit as I will not pay for new wheels. Thirty-three years of driving 8 cars, never had a bent wheel.
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,625
    What kind of replacements did you get? The Bridgestones again? I'm beginning to research replacements, the Continental ContiExtrmeContacts seem like a good deal, per Tire Rack reviews...

    My alloys aren't bent, that I notice, but a couple of scrapes...

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • bartalk3bartalk3 Posts: 692
    Has anybody here gone for the Nitrogen cure?
  • keitha3keitha3 Posts: 124
    Wheels bent? On potholes?!!! I've been thinking about the TL, actually it was the one I had pretty much decided on, but having that poor quality wheels on the things has me personally rethinking. The tires I can live with in that I've always had to replace them anyway and this type of performance tire isn't expected to last as long, but I've never had to replace wheels, especially ones that eat it on potholes. Absolutely no way I can avoid those little buggers.

    Anyone else had problems with their wheels getting bent? If TLHater is accurate in what the guy told him, then it's pretty common. But, and this is a big but, how can we trust what a dealer tells us? We've all had stories where we take a car in for tire rotations and get told how we need new brakes, rotors, struts, engine mounts, and on and on, so I'd like to hear more from you owners before popping the cork on a purchase.
  • tlhatertlhater Posts: 23
    Same tires or else the 'discount?' wouldn't apply. I asked about getting tires from a tire dealer but the dealer said that's a no-no.

    Wheels bent -- I have driven now 18,100 miles in New York area (I live just north of NYC). There are roads, believe it or not, that have rough surfaces, pot-holes, etc. Other than driving my daughter to camp this summer and last (on the NYS Thruway), I drive mostly to the train and to the city. I haven't driven off the road, over tree stumps, into ditches, or anything like that. I don't drive over curbs, take high-speed jumps over hills, or drive fast over those stupid speed-bumps. Two of the wheels are bent. Can someone explain how this could possibly happen?
  • scottm123scottm123 Posts: 1,501
    My wife has bent 2 wheels in her driving life.
    Both were steel wheels, which take much more abuse than Aluminum Alloy.
    One was on a Ford Escort, the other on a Honda Accord.
    The Ford POS was a factory steel wheel, the Honda was a snowtire on a winter steel wheel.
    Both were bent when hitting a pothole. (Massachusetts is also full of them.)

    Potholes bend wheels of all types, not just Acura wheels.

    With that being said... these bends were obvious. Ya know, where the rim's edge has a bend in it, threatening the bead seal of the tire.
    I'm not sure this is what you guys are talking about though.

    I know that Acura has said the Vibration issue is sometimes caused by bent wheels.
    This sounds more like a rim running somewhere out of true... not literally bent.
    Correct?
  • tlhatertlhater Posts: 23
    Thanks for that. My wheels are not bent at the rim. Rather they are 'crushed' and therefore out of round.
  • scottm123scottm123 Posts: 1,501
    Yikes... Crushed, as in Oval?!?!?!?
    That's ridiculous and if several people have the same problem, then it's obviously an issue that Acura should address.
    I hope the Type-S wheels hold up better than these 04-06 wheels.

    In fact, I wonder if Acura is already trying to address this issue.
    I noticed that the 07 base model also gets new wheels.
    They look like the once optional 17s

    Hmm....
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Posts: 3,062
    Wheels bent -- I have driven now 18,100 miles in New York area (I live just north of NYC). There are roads, believe it or not, that have rough surfaces, pot-holes, etc.

    Had an 01 TL and now an 04 TL (60K+ miles), both with OEM alloy wheels and never had a problem. Perhaps if severely bad roads in your area, might want to consider a vehicle that has at least a 65 profile tire. The 45 tires on the current TL provide very little shock absorbing action because the sidewall is so narrow.

    Have had Hondas in past also with alloy wheels and never a problem, even during road destructive winters and the potholes that they bring.
  • z71billz71bill Posts: 2,000
    If you ram your car into a tree and the bumper gets bent you can ADD that to your law suit too.

    Give me a break - go read the forms from every car company that sells a car with low profile tires and you will see a few posts about tire wear and bent wheels.

    I am somewhat surprised that Acura would agree to pay for 1/2 your tires while you are trying to take them to SMALL claims court. What that tells me is - even when the customer is a complete jerk - Acura still does the right thing.
  • tlhatertlhater Posts: 23
    Obviously people such as yourself are the kind of customers that large corporations like to have. Simple minded and naive. No knowledege of the law, no knowledge of consumer protection rights, probably no knowledge of any kind that's useful. However, I'm glad to see there are people like you out there. This is what we call the balance of nature.
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Posts: 3,062
    In fact, I wonder if Acura is already trying to address this issue.
    I noticed that the 07 base model also gets new wheels.
    They look like the once optional 17s


    Maybe more plasible explanation is just a change in style. Car makers do this all the time.
  • My three week old acura had a bent front wheel. I opened up a case with Acura client care. After few weeks they told they can't do anything .. So i had to pony up $350 for new wheel. I am thinking on bumping tires to bigger depth ( i am not sure about the term). I think this will provide cushion for the wheels :)
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,625
    '05 TL with 21,000+ miles driven on the perfectly glassy surfaces of New England (Boston: THE BIG DIG, my goodness!!!) roads. AFAIK, my OEM Alloys are fine (and are protected by Zaino!). Even the dreaded Bridgestone's seem to be wearing fine. They do/will continue to be poor in the snow, however... :(

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • waiwai Posts: 327
    If you change from low profile to a higher profile tire, it will affect the handling and performance of the car. I understand that dealer or Acura client care will not honor any claims for damage to the abused tire/wheel because it happens very frequent due to pot hole roads in USA and 45 series tire/wheel should be babied.
    I also drive a 45 series tires to and from work everyday on the same route mostly freeway, I know pretty well which exact spot on a certain lane to avoid to prevent tire/wheel damage. I will try to avoid any crack or uneven surface of the road. I never have a problem with pot hole for over five years here in USA.
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,625
    Same here, kinda knowing where the potholes/dangers are on my daily commute. If traffic allows, it's fun to play "pothole slalom!"

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • tlhatertlhater Posts: 23
    Honestly though, why do I need another headache? Can't I just drive the car? It's not like I'm aiming for potholes.

    The person driving through the big-dig -- I hope you have a strong roof!
  • ggesqggesq Posts: 701
    05 TL w/ 21k miles and no bent rims ;)

    BTW, there is no TSB for bent rims issued by Acura.
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