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BMW 5-Series: Next E60

pearlpearl Posts: 336
edited March 6 in BMW
a face and fanny "lift" next Spring (to be introduced as an 08 model). Anyone else got any info on this?
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  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    I saw a picture a few months back that purports to be of a "lifted" E60. If it turns out to be even remotely accurate, then I will be converted from someone who isn't even remotely fond of the E60 to one who actually likes it. Go figure.

    FWIW, I believe I have the picture at home so of you drop me a private E-Mail, I'll send it to you (assuming that I can find it). ;-)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • bdkinnhbdkinnh Posts: 292
    Is this it? http://www.leftlanenews.com/wp-content/plugins/iimage-gallery.php?idpost=2741&id- g=1&idi=1

    I like it better than the current version, but I think the rear end looks a bit like a Taurus.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Yup, that's it. I still don't like it as much as my E39, but it is WAY better that the unlifted E60 (in my eyes of course). ;-)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • pearlpearl Posts: 336
    Thanks, Shipo...just saw the link above with the magazine cover version of the updated E60. I agree with you - this one could make me trade my E39. It is slightly reminiscent of the new 3 series and eliminates the "stuck on butt" of the current E60, and softens the "eyebrows". I presume this will likely come in 528, 535 and 550 versions with the revised sixes and 4.8L V8. Probably will push 60K for even the "lesser" versions, but no doubt will be a great car. I hope they also take the opportunity to ditch the I-drive while they are at it - that would definitely clinch it for me.
  • srfastsrfast Posts: 138
    The E60 exterior is looking better, but the interior is still too sparse for me. I like my 2003 530i because of the classic lines and even though there are no "real" gauges, there are enough displays and buttons to make the dash & center console look nice.

    Regards...JL
  • div2div2 Posts: 2,580
    If Munich would return to a driver oriented interior, I could see myself in an E60. I wish BMW would adopt a glass cockpit and allow you to choose the displays you want to monitor.
  • jb_shinjb_shin Posts: 357
    I am still not quite taken with E60. I think I actually like the facelifted 7-series better. I am thinking which would make more sense, trade the M5 in and get the new M3 (no more 529 contribution :P ), or turn my M5 into something like (probably for less):

    Crazy M5
  • I agree...the facelifted e60 beats the original e60, but it still has that puffy steroidal look. The earlier generations are just so much more streamlined.

    I also agree about the new 7...I recently came up on one from behind, and while my first impression (from far away) was that it was a bimmer, I didn't really believe it until I got close to it, because my reaction was "oooh what's THAT? I like it!" and I haven't ever liked the 7.
  • jb_shinjb_shin Posts: 357
    The Automobile magazine reported in their latest issue that those pictures posted above (or was it a link?) will be for the E60 replacement model. Then again, magazines don't always get it right.
  • Wide track excitement. . .Pontiac.

    They jus' can't break outta that mold.

    OK OK, I got it, Pontiac is the father and Hyundai is the mother.

    Yechhhh!

    Eye of the beholder.

    Just as I was gettin' used to the current 5. . . . :surprise:
  • lzclzc Posts: 483
    When is the next E60 expected? I'd read, somewhere on a BMW thread here, that a facelift was expected in spring 2007 as a 2008 model. But my barber had a car mag (sorry, didn't pay attention to which one) that featured the new 2009 model.
  • The picture of new E60 rear end reminds me of the Hundai Sonata...That is sooooo ugly! The front is like the new 3 series...Nothing special. The current E60 design (original) is still far superior, especially the way the headlights look. The NEW E60 headlights look chopped off at the ends.

    I guess BMW is following the others (Lexus, MBZ, Infiniti) and have the line up of cars all look the same from the smallest to the largest vehicle. Just pick your size. How generic!

    JMHO
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    And the Sonata looks way better IMO. Thankfully those images of the 5-series that have been circulating are only illustrations and don't come from BMW. So let's not get our Fruit of the Looms in a twist just yet.

    I think the exterior styling of the 3-coupe, X5 and 7 are improvements. Maybe the 5 will follow suit.
  • For the price, Sonata is good deal.

    Oh designman, before I continue, let me get the Fruit-O-Loom wedgy out of my cr@ck. LMAO

    As for the:
    3 coupe - bland
    Redesigned x5 - 3 series on stilts, just look at the front end and tail lights
    7 - you got me there, it is pretty nice except for the bland front end, the rear is a nice change.
  • warthogwarthog Posts: 216
    "I guess BMW is following the others (Lexus, MBZ, Infiniti) and have the line up of cars all look the same from the smallest to the largest vehicle. Just pick your size."

    Actually, BMW has done that for years.
  • That is why I like the current 5. It does not fit the mold. Now others are copying it. Look at the Lexus lineup and the Toyota Camry. They now all have the Bangle rump. BMW and MBZ have always been the design leaders. Just hate to see that the whole lineup all look similar.

    JMHO
  • http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/GeneralFuture/articleId=116690

    I think this may happen versus a minor update in '08. Looks like it will get streamlined on the outside and the inside will connect the dash to the rest of the console which are both good things. The E60 has been viewed right from the start as a controversial design as everyone knows and BMW can't wait to bring the 5-series car back into celebrity status like the E39 was to boost sales. I am putting my order on a 535xi :)
  • pearlpearl Posts: 336
    Let's hope that BMW dumps the I-drive while they are at it. They should buy a new Lexus with Gen 5 Nav and copy that, or similar. Perpetuating I-Drive in the face of nearly universal criticism for the past five years would be absurd.
  • BMW sales are up. So they are listening to customers, not to magazine reviewers. Although I am not fan of iDrive, I sometimes feel that magazine reviewers are simply computer-retarded old farts that keep dreaming of the "golden days of their youth".

    Customers vote with money and if sales are up even with weak dollar, mayb BMW is right ignoring c&D and others.
  • achonkoachonko Posts: 51
    "When is the next E60 expected? I'd read, somewhere on a BMW thread here, that a facelift was expected in spring 2007 as a 2008 model. But my barber had a car mag (sorry, didn't pay attention to which one) that featured the new 2009 model".

    The E60 facelift is due to hit show rooms in the Spring of 2007 as a MY 2008.
    The F10, will be sold as MY 2009 in the Spring of 2008.

    "BMW sales are up. So they are listening to customers, not to magazine reviewers. Although I am not fan of iDrive, I sometimes feel that magazine reviewers are simply computer-retarded old farts that keep dreaming of the "golden days of their youth.
    Customers vote with money and if sales are up even with weak dollar, mayb BMW is right ignoring c&D and others
    .

    Most Car critics are not tech savvy, and at best comfortable with Cars that are elemental in nature. The IDrive is perceived to be complex, however I find it simple to use, and my wife also finds it very easy to use as well.
    The design of the 5 series albeit controversial, is modern and stands out from the rest of the traffic. I think the 5 series and the 7 series has revitalised car designs that were otherwise boring.
  • texasestexases Posts: 5,671
    I've not criticized iDrive (until now) because, even though the mags made a convincing case that it's a mistake, I had no first-hand knowledge. Just got back from a drive with a client, who went on for 20 minutes about how he, and his friends with BMWs, hate it. I'm sure there are folks that do o.k. with it, but I won't be one. A shame, I've finally got to the point of buying a 530, wanted one since '80, now I don't want one...
  • pearlpearl Posts: 336
    Edmunds and others have discussed the new BMW "F10" as a possible E60 replacement in 2009, featuring softened "Banglisms" and other improvements. At the same time, BMW has just announced the new 2008 E60/5 series (see future vehicles on the bmwusa.com site for details and pics), which feature some, but not all of the postulated changes. It would seem strange for BMW to make so many changes to the 08 5 Series, then replace it a year later. This is not in keeping with their philosophy (see E39) in which the overall design runs about seven or eight years. It would seem that the 08 5 series is the "mid-point" refresh, and that any all new 5 series won't show up until the 2011/12 timeframe; therefore, the "F10" may be the 08 5 series. Anyone have other info?
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    The external facelift is virtually imperceptible. But, the thing that caught my attention is that there is no mention of a manual transmission for the 528 and 535 in the Overview and Press Release on the BMW website. It refers only to the new standard automatic and optional automatic, yet there is distinct mention of MT with the 550. Should we entertain negative thoughts, or is it just an error of omission due to the nature (lack of detail) of the announcements? The way it reads is suspicious.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    I cannot imagine BMW not offering a manual gearbox in the 5er, especially after the hue and cry that went out about the SMG only M5. At this point, I don't think it's anything to worry about.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • Well... why did they buy BMWs then? I think you should try iDrive yourself first. As I said, I am not a big fan of it, but it's OK. In 2006-2007 models you can program 2 steering wheen buttons to quickly call up functions you use most often, like radio, for example. You can also use voice activation. In 2008 model you can program six custom buttons, so all this 'too many menus' thing does not matter much anymore. Or ask dealer to program them for you at delivery.
  • Had several 5's and second E60 with an '07 bought a few weeks ago.

    I agree with uglybear and achonko. Please, if someone can't tell the difference between a 5 series and a Pontiac/Hundai or whatever, they should buy the Pontiac/Hundai. They'd be wasting their money on one of the finest driving cars ever made. Rattle around in the Pontiac/Hundai and enjoy it. Really.

    I've tested the relevant MB, Audi, Lexus and Infiniti's. They have their individual advantages but none drive as well as the BMW. Steering and braking are simply not anywhere near as good in the comparable price ranges. Drift around a curve in your BMW and see when the wheels start to break loose. Do the same in your non-BMW and have fun among the trees and brush.

    For the record, I'm in my mid 50's. Idrive is easy, and has improved over the years. They needed certain idrive design improvements and are making many of them in the upcoming redesign -- more programmable and one-function buttons, for example.

    The bluetooth connection to my blackberry 8700 is smooth and effective; the included voice recognition works fine. My wife needs an auto tranny so I have the Step -- but in manual mode it does quite well and revs nicely to 6500 with good torque and HP.

    Having owned E39's, I've never been in love with Bangle's designs (hence my screen name), but note that virtually every other car company is following it and sales are up. BMW led with a mold-breaking design and I'm giving them credit for that. I'll also give them credit for re-evolving certain items, like Idrive and replacing the window controls where they belong. The cupholders are crap and the weird storage compartments never made much sense, but that's pretty much been the case with BMW's forever. The E39, though possibly the best reasonably-priced sedan ever made, was getting tired.

    That said, nothing else out there drives like a 5. So, not to be too harsh, if they don't like it, they should buy something else. My vote is that the redesign as described on the bmwusa website is making some good choices.

    Oh, BTW, did I mention the handling? :)
  • "glass cockpit"

    Now that would be nice.
  • sixpaqssixpaqs Posts: 21
    Not to worry, the entire 528i, 535i, and 550i will all be available with the 6 speed manual. I read it in their press release. They are just making a big deal out of this sport automatic transmission, which I hope is not another name for that SMG thing, which is horrible, imo.
  • achonkoachonko Posts: 51
    I stand to be corrected. The F01 (7 series) and not the F10 (5 series) is due to be released as MY 2009 in 2008.
    The F10 will be released in 2009 as a MY 2010 product.
    My apologies for the misinformation.
  • skobolaskobola Posts: 207
    Are you sure? Per BMW's math, the new 5-series should get out as 2011, as they have a 7-year cycle, which makes the 7-series introduction correct as well.
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