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Volvo V70 Transmission Problems

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  • Your suspension bushing and transmission issue are not related. Since they did a transmission flush at the same time - there may be some correlation there. I would get the transmission control module replace ASAP as well as a firmware upgrade if it hasn't been done already by the dealer. There is a chance that your upshift issue has been going on long enough that the faulty solenoids in your trans. are too far gone and that the trans. needs to be replaced. You may also want to have the throttle control module replaced as well if you find the car lurching forward as you're coming to a stop. Next time you go to the dealer, make sure that they are hooking your car up to their VIDA diagnostic system and request to see the fault codes that are being spit out to back up their claims that you need a new trans. Good luck.
  • I bought a 2005 V70 wagon 3 weeks ago! Carfax report showed no problems and the regular service/checkup at 60,000. The car had 70,000 when I bought it. I just started noticing that it seems to have trouble shifting around 40mph - not bad, just like it could not decide if it wanted to use 2nd or 3rd gear....Took it to a Volvo dealer and was told the transmission had "an internal failure, there was no service available, could not change out fluid, etc and we needed a new transmission at about $4500." We decided to just keep driving it until there were more problems, save up the money and fix it when it became absolutely necessary.
    Has anyone had similar reports of "internal failure" and is this a reasonable price to pay???
  • jmar2jmar2 Posts: 1
    I've experienced a jerk with my 2001 V70 T5 when accelerating from a stop light especially if I don't release the brake wait a moment and then give it some gas. I have heard it said it is a problem with the torque converter. Any comments?
    J
  • "I would get the transmission control module replace ASAP"
    all firmware upgrades on the car are up to date, I had it to 3 dealers.
    what do you call a "transmission control module"?? are you sure such part exist?

    and what is VIDA? is it same as ODB II?
    ODB II doesn't show any error codes.
    I did computer diagnostics once, a couple of years ago (before the problem with the tranny started). for about a hundred bucks I got like 12 pages of printouts. they were useless, there were warnings like "door sensor is not sending signal" etc. may be that was the VIDA thing. but I doubt it would report solenoid problems if
    they exist.

    "You may also want to have the throttle control module replaced as well if you find the car lurching forward as you're coming to a stop."
    no, my tranny doesn't have any problems downshifting, or when coming to stop.
    the jerk is only when it goes upshift from 2nd to 3rd.
  • welcome to the club!
    you are not alone.

    I think you have exactly same problem as I do.
    my 2001 XC70 started jerking at around 80k. upshifting from 2nd to 3rd gear, which is usually at around 40mph as you stated.
    I had this problem for more than 2 years now, and it's not going away nor getting worse. so just prepare to live with it.

    if you find the solution to the problem, be sure to let me know :)
  • how did you know to use Mobile ATF 3309? are you confident this is the same as the Volvo fluid? I have a 2001 V70 and I am told the Mobile JWS 3309 is required, and even then, I'm reading that its not 100% synthetic - its a blend. ugh! I really want to buy the fluid myself, but I am so concerned about buying the wrong type. Anybody know for sure??
    Arlene
  • jim314jim314 Posts: 491
    This Mobile site makes it pretty clear what the application is for Mobile ATF 3309:
    http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Other_Products/Mobil_ATF_3309.aspx

    Meets key OEM requirements:

    For many Toyota, Lexus, Volvo, Saturn, VW and other imported and domestic vehicles where Aisin transmissions are used.

    Meets key Type T-IV for Toyota/Lexus vehicles

    Mobil ATF 3309 is recommended for use in transmissions made by Aisin AW requiring a fluid approved against Type T-IV, JWS 3309, GM 9986195 and Audi G-052-025-A2. These Aisin AW transmissions are used in CERTAIN domestic and foreign vehicles, including Toyota, Lexus, Audi, Saturn, Ford, Volvo, Volkswagen, Saab, Porsche, and Mitsubishi.

    The unique formulation of Mobil ATF 3309 is designed to provide excellent lubrication of transmissions in specified Aisin AW slip-controlled lock-up automatic transmissions. These outstanding performance capabilities translate into significant operational benefits. . .

    Mobile ATF 3309 might actually work better in the Aisin trannys used in the Volvos than the Mobile 1 ATF. Although 3309 might have to be replaced more often than the Volvo fluid.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Arlene, JWS 3309 is the "specification" of the oil to be used in these Aisin transmissions. Any oil that meets this spec is safe to use.

    The Volvo brand JWS 3309 oil is very expensive, so the alternative is to purchase the Mobil 3309 over the internet (which is what I did), or you could see how much your local Ford, GM, or Toyota dealer sells it for.

    IPD sells it by the case: http://www.ipdusa.com/product.asp?strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=1997&strPageHistory=- - search&numSearchStartRecord=1.

    You can get it for less money here (I've heard of them, but have never done business with them): http://www.avlube.com/mobilatf3309.html.

    One thing I would check - I drive a company-owned Ford Taurus and have it serviced at the local Ford dealer's "quick lube" bay. They offer a transmission flush service for $120. Last time I was in for an oil change, I asked them if they would flush my Volvo transmission next time around and they said they would. It is definitely worth paying $120 to have them use their machine rather than doing it yourself (It's a relatively straightforward job, but it's messy and tedious work).

    If you have a nearby Ford or GM dealership that has a "quick lube" bay, ask them if they'll service your Volvo transmission with their version of 3309 (WSS-M2C924-A). It's the same (or similar) transmission found on the Ford Fusion - should be an easy job for them.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    JWS 3309 is a specification, not a type of oil.

    Mobil is a corporation that markets oil. Mobil ATF 3309 is the name of the 100% non-synthetic transmission oil that Mobil markets to specifically meet the JWS 3309 specification.

    Aisin not only builds transmissions for Toyota, Aisin is OWNED by Toyota.

    Toyota Type-IV, Mobil ATF 3309, Ford XT-8-QAW, GM 9986195, Volvo 1161540, Audi G-052-025-A2, etc. are all the same spec oil.

    Clear as mud... :sick:
  • you guys ROCK for sticking with me on this thread. hey, I'm just a girl, trying to not be taken advantage of by the dealer$$. I appreciate the education you are providing, I'm reading it all. you sent me to an older thread that had the following link to Mobil's website. http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Other_Products/Mobil_1_Synthetic_AT- F.aspx

    right on the bottle on their website it says: SYNTHETIC
    so why do you and some others insist that this is NOT synthetic? the msds sheet for this is dated 2007. Is this the "new" product you speak of? geez, why is this so hard? :cry: I just want my car to be safe and happy and not cost a fortune :-)
    Can I trust a transmission shop like AAMCO to put in the oil that I bring?
  • fedlawman, thanks for the tips on going to Ford for a trans. flush. Volvo told me that they have to make sure the temp is just right when they add the oil back in, or something like that. Giving the impression that its a very specialized process. how to know?

    AAMCO charges $260 (includes ATF), which seems high compared to your Ford dealer. but seems a trans shop should be a good safe bet, right?

    p.s. sorry for posting to the wrong thread - this is all new to me!
  • jim314jim314 Posts: 491
    Mobile makes maybe four or more different ATFs with different formulations . There are two different Mobile products which are spec'd for a Volvo with an Aisin transmission:

    Mobile ATF 3309, which is not fully synthetic, but which seems to be specially formulated to work with the Aisin trannys, and which is going to cost you much less than a synthetic.

    Mobile 1 ATF, which is a full synthetic, and will have a much higher price, maybe about as much as the Volvo ATF which is evidently also a full synthetic.

    In general, synthetic oils have a longer service life than non-synthetic, so if you use Mobile 3309 you might have to replace the fluid sooner than if you used Mobile 1 ATF or Volvo.

    At to going to any tranny shop, you may not be get the exact tranny fluid you specify. Suppose you ask them if they will flush and refill your tranny with "Mobile 3309", and they reply, "Yes, we use 3309 spec'd product for Volvos all the time and have had no complaints." What does that mean? Are they using Mobile 3309 or some substitute for Mobile 3309, which they buy in bulk from some dubious source?

    I don't know if this is actually done by tranny shops, but I've been around long enough to have seen this sort of thing done in the case of other products.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    "I'm reading it all. you sent me to an older thread that had the following link to Mobil's website. http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Other_Products/Mobil_1_Synthetic_AT- - - F.aspx

    right on the bottle on their website it says: SYNTHETIC
    so why do you and some others insist that this is NOT synthetic? "


    Mobil 1 ATF is fully synthetic and claims to meet the JWS 3309, but it also claims to meet many other specifications. For example, the product sheet you linked mentions Volvo 97340. This is a multi-purpose oil that also meets Dextron III specifications. Dextron III is not compatible with the JWS 3309 specification (it's the old spec for older 4 speed transmissions from GM).

    So maybe the synthetic oils are OK, and maybe they're not. Is Mobil going to pay for a new transmission if yours fails? Why take a chance with a multi-purpose oil that may or may not create problems down the road? Just get the Mobil 3309 (or other single-purpose 3309 oil) and flush it every 50 or 60K miles. It's the stuff Volvo originally put in your transmission - and you should too.
  • well... I was so excited this afternoon when I called Mobil and talked to both a products rep and a engineer/technical expert... they told me that Mobil 1 is 100%synthetic, which you guys already knew, but... it was reformulated 5 months ago to be more compatable with certain specs, and is labeled NEW FORMULA on the bottle. Vendors still carry the old formula, so you want to make sure it says NEW FORMULA on the bottle. The engineer said that it does meet the SW3309 specs and is compatable with Volvo V70. I was happy to finally "get it" and I called Autozone who has the new formula for $7.90 a quart. So I was going to buy it and take it to AAMCO - they said no problem. So for $170, I could get a complete flush with synthetic fluid, compared to $400 at the Volvo dealer!

    Now you're making me re-think using it. I'm going to call Mobil again on Monday and tell them what you said about the Volvo 97340 spec, and see what they say. My owners manual does say to use Volvo synthetic, and two Volvo dealers said they only use synthetic. Since Mobil ATF 3309 is not synthetic its hard to believe this is the best choice. but of course, Volvo just wants me to spend more $$, no? So if you're interested, stay tuned and I'll let you know what I hear from Mobil on Monday... cheers...
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    My owners manual specifically says, "Automatic Transmission Fluid AW5: Volvo transmission oil only (1161540-8). Do not mix with other oils." There is no mention of Volvo 97340 - presumably because it isn't recommended.

    My maintenance manual says, "Check ATF level only if an external leak is identified. Volvo recommends changing ATF every 52,500 miles, only on vehicles used for towing."

    Where in your owners manual does it say to use Volvo synthetic ATF? For that matter, where does it say to change the ATF at all?

    Hopefully, you're on to something - I like the idea of using synthetic too, but I won't until it's a sure thing.
  • yeah, my owner's manual says the same thing as yours. nothing about synthetic. Maybe that seed was planted in my head by others writing in, and on the UK Volvo Forum website - there is alot of info there. The manual also says "specifications subject to change w/o notice". I know for certain that one of the Volvo dealers here in Oregon uses synthetic on all Volvo's after 2000. well, I'll still call Mobil again on Monday and I'm going to see if I can contact Volvo. stay tuned....
  • jim314jim314 Posts: 491
    The most important thing is to use an ATF which is formulated to work properly in the Aisin tranny. Evidently any ATF (from a reputable mfgr like Mobile) which meets the JWS 3309 standard will enable the tranny to work properly without an excessive wear rate. Without any other info using a synthetic ATF which meets JWS 3309 would be better than using a standard ATF which meets JWS 3309 because the synthetic would last longer.

    If the Mobile 1 ATF is now formulated to work with the Aisin trannys, and if the Mobile 1 new formula is only twice the price of the Mobile ATF 3309, then Mobile 1 new formula might be the better option. I gather that the cost of the Volvo ATF is several times the cost of non-synthetic Mobile ATF 3309. There is a considerable labor cost in changing the ATF. Concerning the Volvo UK discussion sites, middle class people in the UK are much more careful with their expenditures than Americans. (They were in the past, anyway. My experience with British frugality is 25 years old. Since that time, the Europeans have gotten relatively better off financially than Americans.)

    I checked the fluid in my 2004 V70 base model with 5-spd Aisin auto tranny (not the "geartronic") which we have owned since new (38 kmi on the odo, and driven reasonably carefully 5 years, but in the Dallas TX heat). The fluid is a reddish brown in color and has no off-odor, specifically no burned smell. I'm going to consider the ATF question but I don't think I have to change ATF right now.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    I'm looking forward to their response, though for me, I'll stick with the specific oil the transmission was designed for. I personally don't feel comfortable with an oil that meets Dextron III (and multiple other) specs - even if it says it meets JWS 3309 also.

    In the end though, I suppose as long as the oil says it's JWS 3309 compliant, and it's getting changed, that's a heck of a lot better than NEVER changing it at all.
  • sorry for the delayed reply...... I talked to Volvo again and Exxon-Mobil again and got more clarification on this issue...Mobil 3309 conventional fluid was tested and APPROVED by Volvo, thats why the spec sheet for the product lists specific cars: such as Volvo V70. The NEWLY reformulated (just 5 months ago) Mobil 1 ATF synthetic is "recommended" for these same transmissions. but because Volvo has not yet tested it, they can't say it has been "approved". The Mobil tech guy says it takes time for car companies to get around to testing, but he felt very confident that this fluid meets the car's specs. It was designed to. The older formula of Mobil 1 ATF did NOT meet the specs, and thats why it was reformulated. They said Autozone is their primary vendor for it, but it is hard to find. They have mostly the older formula on the shelves still. I called 4 Autozones before finding a store that stocks it. It will say NEW FORMULA on the bottle and the bottle is grey. It is $7.90 a quart. Certainly much less than Volvo's brand. Here's Exxon-Mobil's no. if you want to call yourself: 800-662-4525 option 3.

    the Mobil techy said synthetics are primarily for extreme conditions, and since I live in the mild Pacific Northwest, I don't really need it, so after all this research, I'm going to use Mobil 3309 conventional and save some money.

    good luck to all. :)
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    That's great info - thanks for doing the research and posting the results.
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