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Acura RL 2006

6sptl6sptl Posts: 21
I just upgrade my beloved 2004 6 spd TL for an acura RL with tech package. What a car! It preserves all of the TL's dynamics, except for the furious acceleration (the RL is fast but not furious) while providing probably the most comfortable, quiet and refined ride in the industry. The AWD system is all its hyped to be, particularly in foul weather, making this without a doubt the safest car in the market. The audio system is simply outstanding, the TL's was excellent the RL is unbelievably better in all respects. The adaptative cruise control and collision mitigating braking system in conjunction with the ride and audio turn cruising hundreds of miles on the interstate at high speed into a pleasure rather than a chore. Add to that its austanding handling dynamics and highway power and you have without a doubt by quite a margin the best 6 cylinder AWD luxury sport sedan period. As with other Hondas It is not the star of any single event, but its excellence in all parameters leaves the competition in the dust.
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  • I currently own a 2005 TL and have driven the 2005 RL model extensively. My feeling, shared by others I've seen on this Board, is that Acura needs to raise the bar when it revises the RL in the next couple of years. The RL is a fine car, but the competition makes it difficult to justify the strange market positioning. It's as though Honda lacks the self-confidence to place itself squarely in the luxury-sport category.

    While cabin materials and technology elements are first class, the RL lacks punch and a few obvious additional goodies. If Acura can upgrade the basic concept by providing a larger engine (for example, a 4.2 V8 making around 350hp and 310fp torque) and add to the gearbox so that 6 speeds were available on the auto transmission, that would be a start. Add in heated rear seats with side air bags, and maybe a standard seat-back dual DVD system with Bluetooth headsets and separate rear climate controls, and you'd have a true luxury car with enough performance to make life interesting. It could hit the stands at around $58k, which would be thoroughly competitive and would distance it enough from the TL so that there would be a clear market separation.

    The reason I bought the TL is simply that the value for money equation was far greater for the TL than for the RL. Whenever I drove the RL I appreciated its sophistication, but it lacked the punch I wanted. So the TL, netting out at about $14k less than the RL, gave me 80% of what I wanted plus some fun factor that the RL lacked. I can't help but think that the RL gets shopped but ultimately rejected by a lot of people, either for the cheaper TL or for the rear-wheel drive alternatives like the BMW 5-series or the Infiniti M-series.

    So come on, Honda! The Acura brand is worth putting some weight behind. Let's see a meaty revision of the RL sometime in 2008.
  • 06 TL with Nav according to forum buyers is around 32k I paid 40600.00 for a 06 RL. It's a no brainer why I bought the RL. I gave my son my 2003 TL so I'm not a stranger to Honda (owned 4 other Honda's), the RL is second to none for the price.
  • "Second to None for the price" how right you are!

    In July, purchased new 06 RL for $40,950; sold '96 RL with 80K miles, mint condition, that had been purchased new, to a private party within days, for $7500; bottom line capital expenditure for the lakeshore/toupe steal now beautifying our garage: $33,450. That's right, a Buick price for a spanking new RL, with list of luxury car features standard --GM's worse nightmare.

    Consumer Report: Shame! Shame! Shame!

    gar
  • scottm123scottm123 Posts: 1,501
    I was just at the dealer last night getting the MDX oil changed.
    They know I'm looking for a second car, leaning toward the Lexus IS or '07 G35x.
    I like the RL, but dislike the $53,000 pricetag.

    They have an '06 RL w/ Nav and Tech packages.
    It was driven by the dealership's owner's wife and has 6,200 miles on it.

    It's Silver Metallic on Black, and has extras like wood shift knob and steering wheel, cargo net, all weather mats and a trunk tray.

    They're asking $41,000

    That a good deal?
  • That may not be a bad price if it has the A-Spec package (i.e.: 18" wheels).

    Depending on where you are in the country, a new '06 RL w/ Nav (not A-Spec) should sell for in the $41 - $41.5K range.
  • scottm123scottm123 Posts: 1,501
    Auburn, MA Acura
    RL with Nav & Technology Package, they're asking $53,000 on the sticker and then play games and explain how they'll give me a deal and drop $1,000
    I think I got too good of a deal on the MDX that they're trying to make some money back, LOL

    How can they drop $12,000 off of MSRP? That's gotta be way below invoice, right?

    I know that the MDX forum shows people claiming to get fully loaded MDXs for $35K-$37K.

    Sticker on my fully loaded 06 was $43K and change, and I paid $39k out the door.
    I'm very happy with the deal, but others claim it's not so good.

    I wouldn't pay $53K for a loaded RL, but for $41, it would be a no brainer.
  • a good deal on an '06 with tech pack is 45-46k. non tech: about 40-41 is a good deal. check out acurazine.com for more info about what people have paid.
  • I just bought a brand new 06 RL with 20 miles for $41.8 in Portland, OR. No tech package. I thought it was a good deal. My sales guy was nice, and I didn't want to continue to negotiate to get a few hundred more off the price.

    I have to say that after a week I love the car. I spent weeks comparing to Lexus GS, IS, BMW 3 and 5, and Infiniti M. I read reviews and drove all cars. I have no regrets about my choice now that I have bought and driven the car for a week. I have owned BMW, Porsche, MB, and this is the best car I have ever had. Period. People complain about body looks, or that it looks like an Accord. That doesn't bother me. What matters to me is what it looks and feels like from the inside. And, there it can't be beat, at least not for the money. It handles great for a sedan. The sound system is the best I have ever heard in a car. It doesn't have the depth of the sound stage of my high end tube amp system at home, but it comes pretty darn close with the right disk. The car is very comfortable, and I think it looks superb from the inside. I am still wading through all the possible settings, but the manual is good and the system is pretty intuitive once you figure out the basics. Voice activation is good, and the hands free link for the phone has been great. The fact that there are so many people who would spend $10-12K more for a BMW 5 is a testament to marketing and the willingness to pay for perceived status over function. Their loss. The RL is an underappreciated vehicle in the US.
  • dunde71dunde71 Posts: 33
    A 50K dollar car and not even a spare tire. The reason they say is it comes with run flats which are expensive and wear quickly. If you do lot of long distance travel on weekends and get a flat on the highway as you wont find any autoshop open on weekends ... I guess you will have to wait till Monday to get it fixed. Its a nice car with so many high tech gadgets and AWD but I dont understand why they designed it without even a spare which is pretty basic and even an ordinary 20K car has it.
  • tamparltamparl Posts: 42
    I traded my 05 TL NAVI for an 06 RL. I cannot be happier.

    The TL was very impressive and a different ride, sportier, firmer ride, edgier styling. The TL is an amazing design interior and exterior and in the 30-35K price range my hands down choice. But after 18 months and 16K miles I decided to look at the RL. My disappointment in the TL was with assembly. Rattles, interior materials and assembly issues that cheapen the TL diluted my like of the TL.

    I never looked at the RL at 50K. But I read the 06 RLs were selling in the low 40s and my dealer confirmed while on a service call. They made me a great offer on the TL, and the RL was <41K. After driving the RL, I could not walk away. The RL is everything I loved in the TL and so much more. The RL at that price was worth the premium over the TL. Further, the RL assembly is unquestionably better. I like the quieter, more refined ride of the RL over the TL (different animals, and a matter of driving taste). It feels like a premium vehicle and the SHAWD is seamless and balanced.

    It surprises me the RL does not sell better. But I like the exclusivity of the RL. TLs seem more popular than Accords lately. I confess I did not consider the RL at 50k, but in the low 40ks, there is nothing else I would consider, comparably equipped. When I saw the repackaging / pricing of RL content in the 07s it made my buying the 06 NOW was a no brainer.
  • vluuvluu Posts: 100
    Today, I had my first test drive with the 06 RL. It definitely has a lot of power and handles great. Car is very comfortable and looks like a luxury car inside. I was told that I can basically get the car for invoice with an additional $4000 rebate on top of that. With a MSRP of 50K... I wouldn't even consider, but in the low 40K... it's hard to pass up. It's definitely the best bang for the buck when compared to anything else.

    Here's my problem. I had earlier looked and test drove the 2006 TL w/ Nav. When comparing both cars... I think both have plenty of power and handle very well. Yes, the RL is smooth and quiter than the TL. Size wise, the RL is not much roomier or larger. So, when I get the TL w/ nav for 30,600.... is the RL worth about 10K more. That's a lot of $$ to justify for just a little more advancement.
  • So, when I get the TL w/ nav for 30,600.... is the RL worth about 10K more. That's a lot of $$ to justify for just a little more advancement.

    In my opinion, it's a totally personal opinion and depends on what you're looking for in a car. I have an 05 RL which I love and a friend has an 05 TL which he loves. I've owned mine for two years and have also ridden extensively in his. I wouldn't trade for his and he wouldn't trade for mine. I like the more luxurious feel and ride of my RL and the SH-AWD (I'll never go back to 2 WD), as well as the extra gadgetry. He loves the sportier handling and ride of his TL and could care less about gadgets, other than the Navi which he has.
  • vluuvluu Posts: 100
    Thanks for your reply. I do agree what you had to say about personal opinion. Don't get me wrong... if I had a choice between the RL and TL... and $$ was no object, I would pick the RL hands down. I do want a smooth and luxury car... which the RL is.

    My delimea is $$. I'm having a hard time justifying the price. I plan to do another test drive of the RL again. A dealer has offered me the car for a weekend, I think I might take up that offer. Then after the weekend.... if I'm still unsure, I'll know my decision.

    thanks again for your input. Btw, if you don't mind me asking...did pay MSRP back 2 years ago?
  • Btw, if you don't mind me asking...did pay MSRP back 2 years ago?

    Yes, I did. I bought it when it was first introduced and there were no deals to be had anywhere. A lot of people on these boards have said that was stupid. However, I also got full Edmunds trade-in price for my 1999 RL. Nine months after I paid full price people were saying they were getting $6-8000 off MSRP, but the Edmunds price of a 1999 RL had dropped by nearly $8,000. I've owned my RL for over two years now and have never regretted buying my RL or paying full price. It's a dream to drive and I wouldn't trade it for any other car in its class.
  • vluuvluu Posts: 100
    There's nothing wrong with paying MSRP. Personally, if you are happy with what you paid for... that's all that matters. I was thinking about the Lexus ES350 and was willing to pay MSRP, but with all the compliants and transmissions issues.... I had to look for something else. Not willing to pay 40K for a car that could have so many issues.

    I'm from the DC/MD/VA area and RL's are greatly discounted, plus there's a good supply at the 3 different Acura dealers. I was told when I went to test drive the RL... that I can get the RL for $4000 below invoice. That would basically come to about $41K + TTL. For me to really pull the trigger now... $40K OTD would be the magic deal.

    Thanks again for your input and advice. I will definitely give the 06 RL another test drive. Sometimes, you need to test drive a few times to really get the feel for the car. Who knows... I could be a RL owner sooner than I think?
  • tamparltamparl Posts: 42
    I traded an 05 TL Navi for an 06 RL. Agreed, they are different rides, which you have determined. I, personally feel the premium paid on the RL over the TL is made up in build quality and materials over the TL (assuming the ride characteristics appeal to you). The SHAWD is also a hefty bonus and a good hunk of that cost differential. I find the RL build, feel and features satisfy my 'premium' car expectations. Although I love the TL style, enjoyed the sporty nature and agree the features / content are a value....I also found the TL short on premium build quality and materials. Rattles, poor interior fit, plastics not in harmony deter from the TL as an otherwise stellar vehicle. (IMHO) The RL has been much more impressive with interior build, materials and general assembly (made in Japan vs TL made in USA).

    For my everyday driving habits, I favor the RL. The TL is more razor sharp, but I am happy to compromise that for the RLs refined feel. The RL is no couch on wheels, and actually surprises me when driving spirited. It is more than competent in it's class.

    Now with the TL in the lower 30s, I think it is the best vehicle in that ballpark. The RL in the lower 40s (I paid just under 41K) I also think the RL is the best value in that ballpark. At 50k? .... not so sure.

    You have at least 2 decisions to make... 1) you expected ride / style and 2) what your budget is for that type of ride. The 06 RLs are being offered at prices the 07 packaging will not offer...at least initially.
  • vluuvluu Posts: 100
    I traded an 05 TL Navi for an 06 RL. Agreed, they are different rides, which you have determined. I, personally feel the premium paid on the RL over the TL is made up in build quality and materials over the TL (assuming the ride characteristics appeal to you). The SHAWD is also a hefty bonus and a good hunk of that cost differential. I find the RL build, feel and features satisfy my 'premium' car expectations. Although I love the TL style, enjoyed the sporty nature and agree the features / content are a value....I also found the TL short on premium build quality and materials. Rattles, poor interior fit, plastics not in harmony deter from the TL as an otherwise stellar vehicle. (IMHO) The RL has been much more impressive with interior build, materials and general assembly (made in Japan vs TL made in USA).

    For my everyday driving habits, I favor the RL. The TL is more razor sharp, but I am happy to compromise that for the RLs refined feel. The RL is no couch on wheels, and actually surprises me when driving spirited. It is more than competent in it's class.

    Now with the TL in the lower 30s, I think it is the best vehicle in that ballpark. The RL in the lower 40s (I paid just under 41K) I also think the RL is the best value in that ballpark. At 50k? .... not so sure.

    You have at least 2 decisions to make... 1) you expected ride / style and 2) what your budget is for that type of ride. The 06 RLs are being offered at prices the 07 packaging will not offer...at least initially.


    Where you that dissatified with the 05 TL, that you had to trade for a 06 RL? I have the budget for an 06 RL, but I'm trying to figure out what the "best bang for the buck". You put it into perspective.... 06 TL is the best price for low 30's and for the RL, it's the best for the low 40's, especially when the car is really listed @ a 50K car. It's a clear case, now to try to get the best deal for the RL.

    What ext/int color combo did you choose. Now that the end of the year is coming to an end, color selection is another problem. Although, I'm really leaning toward the nighthawk black pearl. Something really classy with the RL in black.

    Thanks for your reply.... seems like another RL owner that is totally satisfied.
  • tamparltamparl Posts: 42
    vluu,

    I was not that dissatisfied with the TL. I did expect more of it, pertaining to build quality. My choice of the TL with the tight ride characteristics may have been a mistake on my part. But when I bought the TL in 1/05, the RL was selling at 50K, so I did not look at it. On one of my several service visits with the TL I looked at the RL. The sales rep I knew told me he could give me a great deal on the RL and a very good trade on my TL. That motivated me to test drive the RL. Once I did, I was sold and knew the TL had not been the best choice for me. I was fine to spend low 40s on the RL for what it offered me over the TL. My RL is Opulent Blue Pearl over Taupe w/ backup cam.
  • bartalk3bartalk3 Posts: 692
    tamparl: How did you get a backup camera on an '06 RL? They're not offered on the '06, are they??
  • gcookgcook Posts: 29
    Maybe it was a 2007,since 2007 has the backup camera..
  • tamparltamparl Posts: 42
    I have an 06RL. The backup cam was offered as a dealer installed accessory on the 06. I got it thrown in as part of my purchase agreement. I do not believe it is compatible with the 05s.

    For 07 , I believe it is now factory installed. I love it, very low lux (2 lux?) so it shows well at night with just the backup lights. One note, there is a slight delay in the cam engaging right after starting up the RL (and shifting into Reverse). Although you do not have to answer the OK prompt on the Navi for the camera to display, it does take a 3-5 second boot up of the Navi drive. For those of you that get it in gear before the engine is fully cranked, it may be an issue. It will display a second or two after you shift into R had you not waited for the NAVI to boot. If you typically wait for the OK prompt to display before shifting, then it is no problem and engages instantly when shifting into R. For me, I just back into my parking spaces and my garage so I start off in Drive anyway.
  • bartalk3bartalk3 Posts: 692
    Interesting stuff on the rear camera installed as an option. Thanks.
  • Hi all I just got my RL for 39,500 in NJ Black on ebony car is great!! I have a 2003 TL type s with Nav and this car is about 20 times better but I still love my TL too. I was gonna get the new TL s but they wanted 38,000 for it fo I asked about the RL and I got it for 39,500.... :shades:
  • vluuvluu Posts: 100
    tamparl,

    I understand your point about the TL. My reservations about the 06 TL is the ride quality. My current car, 2000 Maxima SE has a similar "sports" ride as does the TL. I think after driving this car for almost 7 years.... I think I am ready for something more comfortable. Although the TL is by far superior in technology and style, I don't believe I will be satisfied with the sports tuned ride. I plan to keep this next car for at least 5 years, so the more and more I think about it... I'm realizing the TL is not the car for me... regardless of the price or style. In the long run, I know I will not be happy with the ride quality.

    Wish me luck as I go after the 2006 RL Technology package. I'm going to shoot for a price about 39K before TTL. Who knows, right?
  • vluuvluu Posts: 100
    Hi all I just got my RL for 39,500 in NJ Black on ebony car is great!! I have a 2003 TL type s with Nav and this car is about 20 times better but I still love my TL too. I was gonna get the new TL s but they wanted 38,000 for it fo I asked about the RL and I got it for 39,500....

    Did this include... processing + destination? Also, what was the dealer? How did you get down to that deal... email,phone, or right in there to deal?

    thanks
  • tamparltamparl Posts: 42
    vluu,

    It sounds like we are on the same page. I still am impressed with the TLs abilities, but I had to learn to love it. I think I was visually and feature sold on the TL more than I was by the seat of my pants. Then after owning it awhile, I became critical of flaws I would not expect in a premium vehicle. The RL felt right from the moment I test drove it, comfortable and already familiar. It is of course, personal taste. I may be heading to the old fart farm, but 18 months in the TL had me longing for a more refined ride. Still, I find the RL a great performer for it's class and design.

    Good luck on the price. Being so late in the year you may be pleasantly surprised. I was surprised with my price almost 2 months ago. I can say that the market you are in does affect the pricing. In Florida Acura does not deal as generously as prices I see people posting in say, NY/NJ or CA. Those markets may be more competitive and can offer lower pricing. But regardless where you are located, close to 10K off an new RL is what I consider a must have!

    Got my fingers crossed for ya!
  • I got a few quotes from other dealers was down to about 39,900 I had got my TL from Sussman in 2003 so I just called and told them where I was at with my price and they said if I get it right now 39,500 is the price and that is with destination there was some processing fee but not that much to bring up because I was starting at 39,500 car is great took the wife and kids to dinner and had a nice ride. :D
  • vluuvluu Posts: 100
    tamprl,

    Yeah... I haven't own a new car since 2000. My biggest fear is spending 30K+ for a TL and later finding out I am dissapointed

    I have looked on autotrader.com and looked at local Acura dealers website... and inventory is still decent. I'm open to 3 colors; black, silver, carbon gray. All the dealers around here have them. Now, it's the price game. I have sent emails to about 4 different Acura dealers... so wanting to hear back. I would prefer to buy before the end of Oct.... since I will may get a better deal since they may want to move the car. Although, it's bad timing for myself... my schedule is booked. Hopefully I can deal by email or over the phone. If so, then all I will have to do is just show up and pick it up.

    Does anyone know if Acura will offer a higher rebate on the RL. Right now for Oct.... there's a $4000. Back in Aug/Sept, the rebate was $3OOO. Maybe it will be worth it to wait until end of Nov. I'm in no rush... just waiting for the right deal.
  • vluuvluu Posts: 100
    39,500 is an excellent deal. I would seriously consider pulling the trigger on your deal. For me.... if someone offered me 39K + TTL, I would definitely pull the trigger. I guess it all depends on how much are you willing to wait... if you want to long for maybe saving $500, there's a high risk you won't have much of a color selection or package you are looking for.

    Thanks for your advice.
  • golfnut5golfnut5 Posts: 202
    tamparl,

    I have a 2005 TL and thinking of trading for a 2007 RL. Is there a big difference in ride quality or just a minor difference? I like the TL, but find the ride to be a little on the firm side if not harsh. Is there less road noise in the RL? Would appreciate any comments.
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