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Toyota Camry Timing Belt/Chain Questions

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  • vskrvskr Posts: 2
    Whats the best time to change the timing belt, other belts.
    I have to push hard on gas to pick up its a V4, doest throttle cleaning takes care or improve pick up?

    I am nearing 60K what are the major maintainance i have to do?
  • loucapriloucapri Posts: 214
    i had my 1st belts changed at 100K (97 LE) and I don't see why I need to have it done at 60K unless you didn't take good care of your car.
  • I have a 2002 Camry V6 that has been well maintained over its short life. With 96000 miles on it, the dealer says I should change the belt at 100K...for a cost of around $850. The car runs great, and the hi-miles come primarily from highway driving. I tow nothing but do occassionally "get on it" and/or wind it out some (I love the sound of that engine). If changing the belt has to be done, is there a way to do so at a reduced cost. Ed
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    Yes, it is absolutely necessary, but that quote is absolutely absurd! No wonder dealers have such a bad reputation!

    You should have them itemize what they plan to do for that outrageous sum. Or go elsewhere. The last time I was at my local dealer, they had a sign posted listing service prices, and I think the timing belt change was around $300.

    When I had it done on my former '97 Camry 4-cylinder a few years ago at 93K miles, I had the timing belt itself changed, as well as the tensioner spring, crankshaft oil seal, and both drive belts. But I had a co-worker (a former Toyota dealership tech) do it for me. We agreed on $100 for labor, and the parts total was about $60.

    I think on the V6, it would be advisable to replace the same items, unless of course you've already replaced the drive belts recently. Now the dealer will probably want to replace your water pump, because it's "right there" once the other items are off. Certainly if there are signs of leakage, it should be replaced, but if not, the choice is up to you. I gambled that it wouldn't need replacement, and I ended up selling the car at 111K miles.
  • You got a great deal at $160. I just had my belts & tensioner changed on my 97' 4 cylinder at 85K after the timing belt broke, for $400.
  • The 2003 is a chain, the 2002 may be too...If the cover (left side of the engine) is metal, then you have a chain, if the cover is plastic, you have a belt and 80,000 is about the time to change a belt. I suspect it's a chain, so the answer is never....
  • People say you dont have to change the water pump when your replacing the timing belt, its up to you on the 2001 camry. My question is does the water pump known to fail prematurely on this model year. Let me know Thanks
    Toyota Owner
  • ray_h1ray_h1 Posts: 1,134
    You have to look at the broader picture. The timing belt on these engines drives the water pump, too. (I'm in the same boat with my Sonata's 2.7L V6.) If the original water pump poops 30,000 miles into the new timing belt, the hapless owner's on the hook for the hassle or the entire labor charge of changing a timing belt all over again plus the cost of the water pump (figure ~$70.00 or more) because he or a tech will have to delve right back into the same area, remove the timing belt in order to extract and replace the water pump, and then re-time and re-install the timing belt. In effect the same expense as the timing belt replacement. By replacing the water pump at the time the timing belt is replaced, the car owner's only looking at a nominal additional $70.00 added to the final price. For those who practice excellent cooling system maintenance, maybe foregoing a prophylactic water pump replacement during a timing belt change is an acceptable risk. But, it's a risk, nevertheless. As Dirty Harry plaintively asked: "Do you feel lucky? Do you?"
  • jddayjdday Posts: 3
    I have a 91 Camry. I just changed the water pump and timing belt. When finished the timing was way off and I can't get it ajusted. Please help!!
  • typesixtypesix Posts: 314
    Check to make sure timing belt is in proper teeth of gears. It is common for someone to misplace proper position.
  • penizzlepenizzle Posts: 104
    Actually, the actual timing belt can be put on anyway, but the camshafts are what arent alinged. Look down the side of the engine and the crankshaft pully. You should find a place somewhere that has marks with the numers TDC or O, then 5, 10 and 15. Rotate the crankshaft or bump the starter until the TDC or O mark is aligned with the mark on the crankshaft pully. Now, look at the camshaft sprockets and rotate them until the two dots are aligned. Basically, check all the dots and lines are aligned. Just to let you know, i may nt be exactly right but that is what it is like on our camry. Buy a repair manual for your car.
  • jddayjdday Posts: 3
    I have checked and rechecked to make sure the belt was lined up right and that i had TDC. Could it be that the pully looks like it is lined up but the harmonic balancer-pully has spun throwing the timing off
  • penizzlepenizzle Posts: 104
    Rotate the alignment marked sprockets another turn or the crankshaft another turn. To prevent this from happening next time, align everything before working on it. I've had that problem and rotating some stuff again and aligning it fixed it. The pullys do not affect the timing. You need to get a manual from online or at a local auto store. The only thing affected that has to be the way it was before are the crankshaft oully, and the camshaft pullys. The oil, water and other plain oullys do not have to be any way. Make sure the new belt is instaled good and is spinning when cranking the engine over.
  • jddayjdday Posts: 3
    I did all that when i took it apart and put it together. I have been working with a mechanic that knows all that. Our problem is that he is a GM mechanic and does not know that much about Toyotas. What we did not know is if there were any other problems that were common for Toyotas. When we put it back together TDC or the crank and cam dots were lined up the way the manual said to, but the timing was way of. we checked the timing and it was at zero. According to or manual or what we found is that the timing is to be set at 10. So we turned the distributor to adjust the timing the way the manual said to do,but we could only get it to 9 1/2. It runs a little better, but it still runs rough and heats up after a little run time. We have checked the belt to see if it was the same as the old one. We have also checked the harmonic balancer which is also the crank pulley to see if it had slipped.-( we matched it to a new one) Everything that we have checked seems to be fine. Thank you for all the help so far, but is there anything anyone can think of that we might have missed?
  • jon30jon30 Posts: 1
    jdday,

    I would like to know if you were able to resolve your problem with setting timing. I have 93 Camry and I am having exactly the same problem setting the timing after installing water pump and timing belt. The car starts and idles fine but has absolutely no power at all. Been through it twice now and haven't had any luck. any help would be appreciated.
  • sambo49sambo49 Posts: 36
    Took my 2000 LE V6 for an oil change at 83000 miles. The car is generally in excellent mechanical condition. The service advisor noted that I have a valve cover leak ($650) and I am due for a timing chain and water pump replacement ($840).

    There have previous instances when the same dealership in Northern VA recommended service work that was questionable.

    Questions:

    1. How cam I check for the valve cover leak if there is no visible oil leakage under the car?
    2. When is the timing belt supposed to be replaced? I understand that replacing the water pump makes sense concurrent with the belt replacement.
    3. What is a reasonable price for all this work? I have a feeling I am being over charged.

    Thanks!
  • lzclzc Posts: 483
    High mileage Camrys of that vintage tend to seep (ooze?) a little from the valve cover gasket. If there's no visible leakage, it's a pretty minor problem, imo.

    Toyota recommends changing the timing belt at 60k miles for vehicles normally driven under "severe" category usage, i.e., taxi cab, police, constant stop'n'go driving, etc. People differ about the need to change the belt under normal driving conditions. It's true that a broken belt will be an unpleasant and expensive experience.

    The prices quoted are well above what a quality independent garage would charge.
  • lzclzc Posts: 483
    I should add to my above note. While Toyota's 60K timing belt service applies to vehicles in severe usage only and dealers have adopted that as the "recommended" service interval for all vehicles, your car is about 14 years old. That counts for something, too. Changing the belt would be the safe thing to do.
  • ray_h1ray_h1 Posts: 1,134
    )) "...your car is about 14 years old." ((

    sambo49's model year 2000 Toyota Camry is about 14 years old? No matter... sambo49, be aware that some engine designs exhibit "interference" between pistons and open valves in the event of a timing belt failure while running. Moving pistons striking a stationary open valve extending down into the combustion chamber in the event the timing belt breaks will result in a bent or broken valve and possibly a broken piston. In an extreme case, connecting rods have been known to fracture, too, and result in busting a hole through the lower side of the engine block casting. (When that happens, it's replacement engine time - which might well wipe out most or all your car's current market value.) I don't know whether your Camry's engine is an interference design, but if there are four "dimples" cast into the piston crowns, it would be considered such. You'd probably need to call a Toyota dealership's service department for confirmation on this point. At 80,000+ miles on the original timing belt, consider replacing it an investment in continued, reliable service from your car - you're already 33% into borrowed time. The cam cover gasket oil seepage is probably a minor issue that the dealership's service department is attempting to scare you into unnecessary makework. Unless you observe actual oil loss on the dipstick from the "Full" mark to the "Add Oil" mark or lower over the course of your usual oil change interval, f'gedaboudut. ;)
  • lzclzc Posts: 483
    >>>sambo49's model year 2000 Toyota Camry is about 14 years old?

    Hmm, somehow I thought it was a '93. Must have been thinking about another car. Sorry.

    The 2000 Camry V6 has a non-interference engine, so your horror story doesn't apply. As I said, people will differ over the need to replace the belt. Toyota dealers, of course, are one mind on the subject. Somewhere around the year 2000 Toyota changed the recommended mileage for a belt change to 90K when driving under severe conditions.
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