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Saab 9-3 Coupe (2002 and earlier)

eman5eman5 Posts: 110
edited March 19 in Saab
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  • why is it that there is such a difference in new vs.used value in a Saab?I've always liked the look.heard about the value,even have a local dealer in town.Is the car(I guess the whole line) an asset?Or is it something else?
  • pocahontaspocahontas Posts: 802
    "Scab must be doing something right..., two Scab models, the 9-3 and the 9-5, received top honors from EuroNCAP"


    From Edmunds.com Focus on Safety section: Saab's Real-Life Crash Testing Pays Off by Scott Memmer. What do you think?


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  • pocahontaspocahontas Posts: 802
    Shopping for a 2001 Saab 9-3? Check out Edmunds' pricing information for the 2001 Saab 9-3 4dr Hatchback (2.0L 4Cyl Turbo 5M) in their True Market Value Deals of the Week. Good luck. ;-)


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  • r34r34 Posts: 178
    I doubt the TMV for a Saab 9-3. I contacted several dealers. Most offers are way above the TMV ($800-$1000). The best deal I got is invoice cost - $4700 dealer incentive but it is still several hundreds higher than the TMV.
  • pocahontaspocahontas Posts: 802
    Appreciate the feedback. I imagine TMV varies depending on what region you live in, and the availability of Saabs in your area.

    Just curious, do did you actually go into the dealership... with a serious offer to buy? Please keep us posted if/when you do make a saab 9-3 purchase. Thanks. ;-)

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  • danjaecksdanjaecks Posts: 54
    I don't understand what r34 means. Edmunds TMV is $21,146, Edmunds invoice is $25,132, Invoice - 4700 = $20,432. Thats almost $700 LESS than TMV. What prices were you quoted? (I'm assuming we're talking about the base 4door here.)
  • 4banging4banging Posts: 3
    Just about a month ago bought a loaded 2001 9-3 SE 5dr auto for $28,200, or about $7K less than MSRP.

    The TMV clued me into the discount, but it didn't factor in all the options properly (I forget how I deduced this.)

    This was a NO HAGGLE price that the salesman offered after a test drive and serious interest and intelligent questions were asked.

    That meant that the out-the-door price with tax and tags a tad under $30K, which was my wife's target price-point for a new vehicle.

    From what we pieced together, the midrange SEs (between base and the Viggen) are only coveted by Saab loyalists if they come with 5-sp, which is evidently rare. That leaves Saab and GM hoping that Mr. and Mrs. Slightly Upscale Middle America stumble into the showroom. GM doesn't want to take any chances and doesn't believe in "protecting the brand," hence the steep discounts.

    The addition of traction control for '01 really addressed a competitive fault for the 9-3s and the deals make the car well worth a look for anyone in the market for a euro sports sedan. Plus a full year of premium OnStar service is a nice bonus, especially if phone service is offered in your area.

    Have already had the following exchange with a recent Volvo buyer: "Twenty eight thousand? Are you sure it's not a 2000? 205 horses? Mine only has 185."

    Like the car better everytime I get in it.
  • r34r34 Posts: 178
    danjaecks:

    May be I got confused or I used the MSRP - $4700. Anyway, the best offer I got is at invoice cost - incentive, which is $25100 for a fully-loaded auto base 9-3. I am not sure whether the TMV for the options are accurate.

    If the salesman tells me the truth, then $29800 is his invoice price ($25100 + $4700), which is already $184 higher than Edmunds' invoice price (other dealers told me they had higher invoice prices too). That guy may gain profit by the 2-3% dealer holdback (~ $800 ??)

    I just wonder if anyone can get closed to the TMV for a similiar equipped base 9-3 (TMV +/- $300).
  • danjaecksdanjaecks Posts: 54
    I understand now, I didn't realize that Edmunds had a TMV price for each option as well as for the base car itself.
    As far as the $184 invoice price difference, I know that some car makes have regional advertising, administration or port fees that are added onto the invoice price that Edmunds (or other organizations) report. These are legitimately part of the invoice price the dealer pays. $184 actually is low compared to fees I've seen at other makes.
    Sorry I can't help with your question about getting closer to TMV, I'm just at the thinking stage myself. (Although $25100 sounds like a good price.)
  • r34r34 Posts: 178
    I know what I really did now.

    Saab has 2.2% Dealer holdback on the BASE MSRP (I assume it is 2.2% on a no-option base 9-3).
    Base MSRP x 2.2% = $26,995 x 2.2% = $593.89.

    Edmunds' invoice cost is $29,616. After the $4,700 incentive = $24,916.

    After I substract the Dealer Holdback amount ($593.89) from the final invoice cost ($24,916), I got $24,322.11, which is still $55.11 higher than Edmunds' $24,267 TMV.

    It seems likes if the dealer sells me the car at TMV, the dealer will suffer a loss. If TMV is what most/average people paid for this car, that means many dealers didn't make profit on this car.

    I was told some dealers may have high-volume sales incentive from Saab/GM but I still doubt a dealer will sell the car at TMV.
  • I just ordered a brand new '01 9-3 for April delivery. $4700 below invoice. No dealer profit beyond hold back. It can't get any better.
  • pocahontaspocahontas Posts: 802
    Looks like you got a great deal! We look forward to hearing more about your purchase and ownership experience.... Happy Motoring! ;-)

    To Everyone- To respond Post 10# "I didn't realize that Edmunds had a TMV price for each option as well as for the base car itself."


    For those that are not aware, Edmunds has a TMV New Vehicle appraiser which add up your vehicle costs including all your options. For future reference, you'll find links to this tool in Edmunds' Advise section, or on the indivual vehicle pages in Edmund's new/used vehicle guides.


    Also, here's more about Edmunds' True Market Value. A couple notes about TMV from this page: "When buying a new car from a dealer, a price close to TMV is a fair price." and "actual transaction prices may vary from individual dealer to dealer."


    Hope this is helpful. Happy Shopping!


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  • I am puzzled. I have been interested in buying a Saab 9-3 since Thanksgiving. I've seen MSRP prices and dealer incentives go all over the map in that time. Edmund's 21K TMV price is a good one-- but I just went to a Broker on this site that quoted me $27K for the same car. This near-MSRP price is just too high, no matter what the incentives have been over the last six months. There appears to be no way to even discuss price with that broker-- I can take their near-MSRP price or I can go fish. I've looked at quotes from two other Internet brokers, that were about the same.

    A week ago, I tried a different broker (a MAJOR site) that requires a Dealer to respond to me personally-- and I got no response from ANY dealer through that site. This was before anyone knew what price I might think reasonable, or that I am willing to pay cash if I have to, to get the car I want. When I sent email to them noting my experience, my email was ignored.

    I believe that Edmund's has calculated a fair TMV price for a Saab 9-3-- but it is 25% below the price I get elsewhere-- which is itself way out of line. And through it all, I can't get anyone from a Saab dealership to send email, phone me, or otherwise acknowledge my existence.

    This is nuts.

    Somebody tell me where to go and what to say, in order to wheedle Saab into taking my money and giving me a new Saab 9-3. Thanks.
  • ckenedickenedi Posts: 16
    It is a bizzare time to be buying a Saab. The problem is that Saab needs to keep its plant running and to keep a market presence with a car that is priced way to high (at the levels of BMW and Audi entry levels.) The Saab lacks their refinement/ interior appointment and design, except in the ability to deliver controlled power.

    So Saab wants to sell cars without discounting its marquee/ name recognition/ brand placement. So it has kept the prices at 27+, but is offering 4700 in dealer incentives - technically if the dealer sells the car at "invoive" they are making the $4700 + the what is left of the holdback.

    Automated internet quote systems are not flexible enough to handle this situation so they won't be of much help. I tried several.

    What worked very well was searching for Saab dealers, based on reports in edmunds Town hall and Saabnet.com and emailing them. I also emailed some in a few places I though it would be fun to take a road trip to or where I had family/ friends.

    Some didn't reply, but a lot did. When dealing with salespeople from different states, be sure to get quotes with ALL dealer fees but NO Tax/title/ registration costs as these will vary.

    The edmunds TMV is pretty accurate, but it takes some work to get it. Edmunds invoice prices are also a little old and I think they are a few hundred dollars too low. Try the TMV program on edmunds and build the car with the exact options you want and include delivery charges. That is about what I paid.

    CK
  • ckenedickenedi Posts: 16
    Its bad enough having the 9-3 schizo b/t sedans and hatch. But why are there 2 hatchback discussions.

    How about consolidating the 9-3 hatchbacks (or specifying one for the 900, one for the 9-3). And put a note in the sedans to "goto the hatchback discussion" with a link, like you already have.
  • pocahontaspocahontas Posts: 802
    These are all ongoing discussions that I've inherited. I'm working on the situation. I'm at least trying to consolidate the one from Sedans over to this board. Thanks for your participation. ;-)

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  • bbrandlebbrandle Posts: 6
    Right now they have the "Only in the USA" style 2.9% financing for up to 60 mos. Can you get the TMV using the Dealer incentive AND get the 2.9%? If so, I'm shopping tomorrow. Please enlighten.
  • smu1976smu1976 Posts: 110
    Saw some spy photo's of the new 9-3. Looks somewhat like the Lexus IS. Dash and interior look very simular to todays model, but body is completely new. Autoweek states a 4 door, 5 door hatchback and convertable will be offered the first year. Hope a Viggen is in the works.
  • ckenedickenedi Posts: 16
    No its 4700 or 2.9% or 2000 cap cost reduction and 2% money factor for a lease - you c/n mix and match.

    The $4700 is pretty sweet however. Most of the dealers can offer alternative financing around 7.5% and you should check your credit union.

    Chris K
  • msievemsieve Posts: 9
    My Volvo S70 GLT is coming off lease, was going to keep it till I found out about the big dealer incentives, and being a former satisfied Saab owner, I investigated. Made some calls, visited a couple of dealerships here in Minnesota, and I got a no haggle price of 26,413 for a loaded 9-3 SE 5 dr, 5 spd. Called a dealer in Florida (I'm going there in April) and they gave me a 27,600 price on an automatic, over the phone. That car lists over 34,800. These prices are before tax, title and license, but they're awfully good for this car. Just make some calls, and plan to pay 22-23% less than MSRP. You'll get your car. Good luck.
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