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Pontiac G6 Transmission



  • Well I did talk to a lawyer to see what my options were. Pretty much as long as they're trying to fix it I'm stuck with it. He said in Kansas I would have had to of taken it in 10 times for the same problem for it to go under the lemon law. He said what I could do though is to make sure the care is still treated as a new car in the warranty. Sometimes they were try to do a refurbished warranty. He said I might also be able to get an extended warranty to make sure I don't have problems later on for the same thing. But I just have to talk to them and see what they are willing to do. Still not happy! Still waiting for the day that I can trade the hunk a junk in!!! Oh yeah... Still waiting on my dam car to get out of the shop. It's almost 80 out today too. Woulda been perfect day to be out cruising around with the top down.
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,704
    I do respect that they are fixing the issue. If it comes out perfect, than that is great!!
    But, 10 times? What if I am bringing in my car 10 times because the transmission is acting up? You know how long of a period that truly is? That is not the way a new car should be? At what point are supposed to take action? Yes, make sure the car is treated as new. But, still the issue of having a re-built transmission is still at hand.
    I still see it as the car is already a lemon. The transmission is a lemon!! There is no other word to call it. No other excuse. GM has voided their end of the bargain. They are pretty strict with us (consumer) holding up their end of the contract, but when it comes to the company, they can do what they want right?

    Well, let them fix it, then drive it for a little while longer, keep track of your pay off versus trade in value. I figure, for me, I am 1 year into the lease now, but I think fall or the end of the year, I might have a better chance getting out.

    Document everything, get the extended warranty!

    I guess it does pay off to go for the car we all wanted to begin with. Cheaper does not always mean better. Just get the car you want from the start, then we will all be less likely to be unhappy during ownership and trade. Of course you were not planning for this to happen. So, the next car I lease, I am going all out (within reason) and get the car I truly want.

    I want an 2009 Acura TSX with technology package!! It is going for a cheap lease right now!! I too am thinking of ways to get out!

    My transmission in the G6 is still acting funny! I know something is not right.
    a transmission should shift that rough or unpredictable.
  • Yeah and that's only 10 times in 12 months! Ugh!!! Can you give the car back if enough people complain about the transmissions? Like make it seem like they're all lemons? LOL Just dreamin I guess. I can't believe how much the resale value has dropped.
    If I would have gotten the car I actually wanted I would have paid less. My husband said Ford Mustangs are not a practical car if it is your only vehicle. So at the time we were going to sell my truck. We ended up keeping my truck so I can drive that in the winter. Hopefully keep low miles on my car will keep the value up on it a little.
    When I went to get my car the mustang was $28,000 after negotiations and that's with taxes included and the G6 was over $30,000 with taxes included. If I would have gotten the 09 it would have been $35,000. They weren't willing to negotiate that at all.
    I don't know. Pretty much what I got from the whole deal was the Ford dealership I went to were very easy to work with and the Pontiac dealership I went to were kinda cocky. Take it or leave it type.
    Good luck with your transmission, I know how it feels, lol! Mine is still in the freakin shop. I call everyday just about to check on it. Been a week and 1 day today. It has also been 80+ this week and I'm stuck in my truck.
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,704
    Pontiac is looking like its going to die. It really is too bad. I truly think they had some potential to offer some great things. It unfortunately was not brought to the level that I am sure they originally had planned. Too much on your plate would do this to anyone.
    The money was spread on so thin. I surprised it hasn't hurt or taken a toll on the Cadillac brand. But, with that said... I think it is fair to say that the Cadillac is the full potential for the company, but its too bad that you have to pay that hefty unreasonable price tag for the car. When it really should be the kind of work or quality on their cars to begin with. You buy a base model GM car, you will certainly feel "base".

    It is unfortunate that 13 plants are shutting down for the "claimed" 9 weeks. A few of which will not re-open I am sure. Many will be out of jobs. It will then create a bigger blow for GM.
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    Pontiac is Dead
  • g6fobiag6fobia Posts: 3
    Hey guys

    I really feel your G6 pain. I have a 2006 G6. Rides nice, fits good, and thats about it. I have the 2.4 L. Tranny clunks...apparently it is building up too much pressure. Then the Engine light started coming on...apparently Camshaft Position Sensor, then Steering Clunk...Replaced Steering Shaft for the second time. Ran over a Raccoon...that took out my rad, and condensor...Ooops my fault not GM's.
    Then that passanger side airbag sensor showed a service airbag warning. I don't have leather seats as in the GM recall, so I don't know what was up with that.
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,704
    When you mention "clunk"? What does is that exactly? Here lately, I am noticing the tranny running more rough. I even will get up to speed with a decent push, nothing too hard, really just normal, but I will get to about 55 or so, let off the accelerator a bit, and the transmission just jumps or just lunges down into gear. Not refined at all. It really never did that before. Also, it will do the same thing when in traffic, the gearing around 20-45, the trans just goes up and down the lower gears rough. Its like there is a lag time. The power of the engine just seems to be fine, but just unpredictable. The power is in the wrong part of the band. Its all on the upper rpm band.

    I am not sure what is going on, it just doesn't feel right.. I think it is more than just having a 4spd transmission. I am not sure what I am going to tell my dealer for them to really take a look at it.... and make it look like I am not really

    I have to approach the dealer, approach the right person at the dealer to get something done. Perhaps my tranny was never right to begin with... but I am used to an 06 Accord 4cyl I had though too, but this just seems to be getting more weird.

    Let me know.
  • g6fobiag6fobia Posts: 3
    When I mentioned "clunk" I meant when switching from park to drive, or reverse to drive. It doesn't do it all the time. Once it starts doing it, it will go on for a day or so, then it wont happen for a week, then back again. With these tranny's you have no dipstick to check levels, and there is suppose to be a sight window, but I haven't found that either. Now the engine light comes on . The code reads that the Camshaft Position Sensor is what brings the code.
    The car goes in the shop at the beginning of the week, once I have to problem fixed I'll bring you up to speed on cost and bottom line problem.
  • dryzl84dryzl84 Posts: 1
    Your not the only one with the airbag sensor problem. I've had my g6 since june of last year, almost 16,000 miles, and somehow I ended up with a tear in the passenger seat. It's about an inch and a half long. I didn't think anything of it, until that display started coming on every time I start it up. So I took it in to the dealer. Turns out, who ever sat in my seat sliced the sensor wires as well as the seat. $400 dollars for the sensor and $ 250 for labor. And what really sucks is that its not covered under the warranty cause supposedly its a self inflicted incedent. So I'm looking for either a new passenger seat, or just replacing the sensor and getting some seat covers.
    I would like to hear all opinions on what to do. This is my 1st brand new car, and I'm not having the time I thought I'd be having in it. Thanx
  • So an update on mine. I finally got it back on Friday. I guess it is just the car on how it goes. There is so much delay from when I start pushing on the gas pedal before it actually goes. But I don't think the transmission is fixed completely. Sat night when I went to leave a stop light it kinda stayed in place and grinded for a second then went. Sometimes it takes a while to shift into the next gear. Now it kinda clunks when I put it into a gear (from like park to drive or reverse to drive). So I guess I'll take it back AGAIN. They will just send me home with it AGAIN and tell me they can't find anything. I may be a bit paranoid though. I am now paranoid of all vehicles new or old.
  • Don't give up!!!!!!. My situation is total different than yours as my G6 is a manual transmission; but I have had the transmission rebuilt twice now, first time was supposingly my fault 28000 miles Sept. 08 not covered under warrentee. November 08... 7500 miles later took it back, smelling burning smell not shifting right, rear seal leak ... this time they replaced it all again and it was under warrentee, but that had NOTHING to do with what caused it the first time. Third time, February 08 ... 5000 miles more, still not right... said they drove it nothing was wrong. April 08 took it to a different dealer... it's not right.... they kept it all weekend drove it almost 100 miles, nothing wrong with it. We went back to pick it up and refused to take it back until they figured out what was wrong, insisted it was fine... we made the service manager ride with us when it "made the clanking sound" and pulled to the right while shifting he admitted there was a problem. They FINALLY lifted it and looked at it..... MY ENTIRE TRANNY & Transfer Case were being held on with 2 BOLTS! Literally ready to fall out of the bottom of the car.... BUT there was nothing wrong with it according to two separate dealers!! GIVE ME A BREAK! :lemon:
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,704
    I have the 08 4cyl engine, and it seems to do the same thing. Who in their right mind programed the darn thing to have all the power in the upper range and NOT the lower range where we use and need the power most. There is this one road on the way to work, I will gradually let is get up to speed, up to about 55. It will stay in the 3 or so gear for the longest time, then it sorta lunges into gear!!

    Also, if I get up to speed, about 50 or so, then let off the gas a bit. It sorta lunges too, lunges right off the gas. The transmission is not shifting right to me! I know the dealer will say nothing is wrong. But, I have decided I am going to tell them everything. That the engine absolutely sucks. The transmission is so rough, and having a new car that has 15,000 miles on it. I SHOULD NOT have to worry about feeling the transmission like if I had bought a car that has over 100,000 miles on it.
    It does, it feels like I am driving an old used engine!! It has gotten worse, and I am not just feeling things.

    As a consumer, we spend hours in our cars, we get to know our cars. Honestly it was sorta like this, but more smooth when I got it new, but its actually got a bit more odd and the shifting of the tranny is getting more noticeable. That alone is a sign, that perhaps something is not right.

    When I am going into 55mph and my rpm's are still in the 3,000's,because the transmission hasn't shifted into the next gear, and when it does, it lunges or slips right into gear, you feel it roughly shift. There has got to be some sorta problem.

    I love the car itself, I really do!! Its a fun, but the engine, its a piece of crap!!
    But it could be the transmission.

    Should I take the car in, and tell them to do a thorough inspection of the transmission. I think I will type out all the symptoms, so they can have it there.

    Those that had an inspection... how long did they keep it...? I will need my car at some point to get 30min back home.

    How do I word it good, so that I can be taken seriously, and be respected??
    I really want to just call them, but sometimes it is the approach and talking to the right person that can do the right thing. Let me know how to approach this.
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,704

    I called the dealership, explained everything to them. I bring the car in on Friday. Hopefully the find something. Because it does not feel right. But, from what others have said about both V6 and 4cyl engines, the transmission seems to act this way. But, I do believe mine shifts a bit rough, and that is more than just a re-program of the transmission. Its more mechanical. I want them to atleast tell me something can be done to help it. I am very concerned that they will tell me nothing is wrong and its normal. I drive the car all the time, I think I would know. I might even call a GM rep to keep them informed.

    However, I will request to drive an identical car to see if it acts the same.
    Just so you know, the Saturn Aura with I believe the same engine has had a few same issues. One had a transmission re-build. I've seen a couple of those.
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,704
    Well, I will not be bringing my car in today.... Why? Because the service rep was extremely rude to me on the phone when asking to see if I could test out another car while it was being looked at. I stated I wanted to test drive the car for just about 30min to see what the difference were. He refused to let me. We spoke over me, and took offense to me explaining any of the details.... He kept talking in circles, I was calm on the phone, but you could tell in his voice he was irritated and elevating the conversation. I stated sir, you are elevating this conversation, he was actually mocking me!! This will be the 2nd time he has gotten all crappy with me. Other employees have stated similar observations of him too.

    I canceled my appointment, I left a voice mail for the "service manager" Hopefully this person understands what customer service is all about. I am so mad...

    I just want to say screw it, if the transmission goes out, well let it!!

    I will look for another dealer perhaps to look at the car. I will not be treated that way. Then dealers wonder why they have a bad rep?
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,704

    not sure if anyone is reading But, I did bring my car in, and we took my car and I showed them the issues. They did feel it too, but only like 1 time. I felt it more, only because I know my car better. I had a chance to take another similar car out, an 07 with 25,000miles. I seemed to have had more power and shifted better, smoothly. There was a difference. My car isn't as smooth and peppy as that other car I took out, with an identical engine, more mileage, and year older. We both rode in the other car and the rep felt that it was a bit more smooth, and I showed her the power differences.

    I am bringing my car in tomorrow early. The 30yr experienced mechanic will look at it. They will have the car the whole day. I hope they can come up with a reasonable solution to the issue.

    However, I am currently waiting to hear back from my dealer on trading for a VW. They have been so awesome so far, so if I am able to get out.. I will!! Its so far looking good. They have told me, I have $3,000 negative equity, but that is not bad at all!! You can work the sale price and numbers to make it appeal better. So, they are obviously wanting to help me. This is my dealer, so they know me, and have helped me... they sold me the car I am trading. They know I never wanted it to begin with. If they can get me out!, well awesome, I'll do it, if they can't, well, I will at least get my issue fixed on the G6. Hopefully!

    Wish me luck!! My friend is wanting to buy as G6, I might tell her to look around first, then make a choice.
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,704
    Dealer has had my car since yesterday morning! I am sooooo hoping they found something and will have a fix for it. I have a rental now, it is an 09 G6, same options as mine, except it has the 6spd auto, and it drives substantially better. Mileage is improved too. Smoother transmission. If my car had that engine, I do not think I would be pushing to get out of the car so bad. Not a bad car.

    But, my cars engine, feels like an old grumpy engine! I am so nervous that they will not find anything. But, I wouldn't think they would keep it this long and then turn around and tell me nothing was really wrong with it. Unless they never got around to it yesterday.....hmmmm... Wow!

    My salesmen told me he would drive it too. I hope that I don't look stupid!

    Anyhow, get this, I was in there too, getting options to get out of my lease... and another person from my work came in, and have an identical car except it was an 09. They were there wanting out of the car too!! Same salesmen as me, we were both in front of him, asking him to help us to get out!! LOL it was hilarious! He was sorta overwhelmed with all of this... but I bet he wasn't surprised.

    He used to be a fan and drive GM cars.... now he drive a C-Class mercedes! HAHA, and he told me his mom got a Jetta! So he is finally figuring things out!!
    GM, Sorry bud, but your losing even your loyal customers.

    After I transfer my lease, well, I will not be back to GM. Not feeling it!
  • dave06g6dave06g6 Posts: 24
    Wow. Been searching the net for my issue (same as yours) and now here I am. 2006 G6, 4 Cyl Auto, have the exact same issues that you describe. Intermittent mind you but the code is always the same ( P0010 ) which is the cam position sensor. I have a code reader, I've cleared it a few times, sometimes it comes back immediately and other times takes a few days. You can also erase the code by disconnecting the battery for 5 mins. My shift issues however are starting to concern me, of course - we are out of warranty as well (3yr, 60K basic). I understand the 06's were not covered under the 5yr 100K plans. I had mentioned the rough shifts to my dealer (Toronto area) before it ran out of warranty - but it was not throwing codes at that time either. I have 69K on it now & driving it only on short trips ( lease is up in the fall ).

    I have friends who are mechanics and have driven it, their opinion ranges from a bad valve body or automatic clutch issue. But one guy says that the bad cam sensor could be related, it could be causing a high internal pump pressure or line pressure (falsely) in the tranny which makes it bang through the gears, or the pump itself could be bad too.

    Did your dealer get to the bottom of it for you ? Since yours is throwing the same code ( P0010 Cam Sensor ) then I assume we have the exact same issue. Might be funny to compare VINS, I bet these vehicles are close on manufacture date.

    Please advise what your results were... Thanks ! !
  • g6fobiag6fobia Posts: 3
    I went to the garage and the dealer about the issue. No-one could tell me the problem...but being a backyard mechanic myself, I think I have solved the problem, as it hasn't happened in a while now.

    I live in Northern Ontario, so chances are we are probably very close on Manufacturing date.

    Anyways...on the 2006 G6 the in dash information center basically tells you when to change your oil. I went by the percentages, car ran like crap, then the Cam Sensor code kept coming up, tranny problems, the whole nine yards.
    I even switch to synthetic, and semi-synthetic oils. That made the problem even worse.

    So what I did is went back to the tried and true 5W30 engine oil, and changed it every 5000KM or 3 months which ever came first ( regardless of what that Information Center said.

    The Code has not shown up since, and the (what felt like Tranny) problem has not happened again.

    Give it a might work for you too. :shades:
  • dave06g6dave06g6 Posts: 24
    Uhhh, I don't know what to say on that - I was thinking this was a viscosity issue because it is getting aggravated now that the warm weather is upon us, however - viscosity of the trans oil ! BUT - we have one thing in common for sure - I have been using straight synthetic oil in the engine for the past 30K so, hmmm - that viscosity may be screwing with the VVTi cams ? You know that does make sense because one thing is that it never does it until the engine is up to temp for sure. And sure as hell it goes away once the car has been sitting (cooled) for awhile. Wow, this could be an angle that is correct, stranger things have happened. Alright - I am off to the store tomorrow for some straight 10W30 conventional oil. I will laugh my a$$ off if that does the trick ! Thanks for the input !
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,704
    Wow!! Seriously!? For me though, I did not lease my car to worry about oil, transmission, cam problems. lol. My dealer has had my car for nearly a week. My catiylic converter is clogged? What?, Hello? Kidding right? Bad gas? Well, its been acting weird ever since I bought it. It never shifted right to begin with? I ALWAYS thought it didn't shift too smooth. Now, I am going to get my car back either today or tomorrow... I am going to drive it, and see if it does the same thing with a new catylic converter. If it is still acting the same, that thing will be right back in the shop.

    The rental, an 09 G6 4cyl has much more pep to it than mine!!.... Honestly if the engine was not acting so weird, and random things going out.. I wouldn't be wanting out so quickly.

    I refuse to drive such thing like that. I lease! I shouldn't worry about things like this. I pay too much, work to hard to be unhappy. Besides this is a sign to me, that I need to get out of it now!! Everyone I spoke with about it, was like... really? Yes! Get out! NOW!

    Good luck to you guys too.
  • dave06g6dave06g6 Posts: 24
    I agree with you, I didn't get into the lease to deal with these kind of issues either - however, they neglected to warn me that this vehicle was not covered beyond 3yr/60K for powertrain... every other GM car I can think of was covered under 5yr/100K powertrain back in 2006, I don't know why this was not, new generation transmission probably was the reason. So - I'm screwed and have to deal with this now or not drive it at all until the lease expires in 6 months. Or try to negotiate myself out of it now earlier through GMAC or a dealer... hopefully the issue is not present when they inspect the vehicle but I don't want to even approach them in the interim as it will be on record, not looking to purchase a 3 thousand dollar transmission any time soon on top of having to buy out the vehicle afterward considering the residual value has plummeted because of GM's pending bankruptcy and Pontiacs doom.
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