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Honda Accord Engine Break-in and First Oil Change Questions

tamu2002tamu2002 Posts: 758
One month after I bought our 06 Accord, I finally got a copy of the Service History booklet. But I was disappointed at the terrible lack of detail. No where in the book are the recommended oil change intervals mentioned. Someone said Honda specifically advises NOT to do the 1st oil change within the first 5K miles, but I couldn't find that info anywhere in this booklet or the manual! Nowhere does it mention the timing chain replacement (4-cy), transmission oil or brake fluid changes schedule either.

Am I missing another booklet? Can anybody here tell me where to find the recommended maintanance for the above mentioned parts? Thanks.
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  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    Sounds like you are not reading all the manuals that came with the car.
    Isn't there a oil life monitor that lights up to tell you when he oil is due to be changed and varies every time based on your driving habits, not a set schedule?
    I have heard this before and I don't even own an Accord.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Jaxs is right

    Use the maintenance minder built in to the info display (Odometer location). Read your manual and it will explain the different functions of the maintenance minder.

    If you just can't stand it though, we have a 2005 Accord (4-cyl) that reccommends oil changes every 10,000 miles for normal conditions (not many people qualify for that) and 5,000 miles for 'severe' conditions (varying temps, stop and go driving, etc...).

    I just use the minder in my 2006 EX I-4... it seems to get me an oil change around the 7,000 mile mark (I drive fairly easily, but do a lot of suburban stop & go).
  • tamu2002tamu2002 Posts: 758
    Of course I read the books, very carefully. I know about the minder but I need more info than that. It'd be nice to actually know what Honda recommends regarding various maintenance issues. They don't even tell me if my car has a timing belt or chain! My salesman said it's a chain, but I wanted confirmation from Honda. Maybe it's all built in to the minder. But these issues should still be spelt out in details in the manual.
  • tamu2002tamu2002 Posts: 758
    And thegrad, you also have an 06 right? Can you tell me where you saw the recommendation that the 1st oil change should not be done within 5K miles? Thanks.
  • ray_h1ray_h1 Posts: 1,134
    )) "Nowhere does it mention the timing chain replacement (4-cy), transmission oil or brake fluid changes schedule either." ((

    Timing chains generally have no set replacement interval. That's not to say they'll never wear out during the life of an engine (they and their auto-tensioner rails will...), but it may take several hundred thousand miles - or less than a hundred-fifty thousand miles. No way to predict. (Timing belts are an entirely different matter.) I don't know what Honda's recommended ATF changeout interval is, but given the 5-sp auto tranny's past problems, you'd probably be smart to change it out every 30,000 miles. If you do it yourself, use ONLY Honda Z-1 ATF. Do not let anyone who services your Honda's transmission tell you that a correction concentrate such as "Lubegard Black" added to widely available Dexron III is "just as good". It isn't, and Honda won't cover the damage that occurs with it. Hondas are no different regarding brake system flushing than any other make. It should be done every two years. Brake fluid readily absorbs moisture. Moisture in the brake lines reduces efficiency (the water will boil to a gas and result in a spongey pedal during extreme braking) and promotes internal corrosion of the steel brake lines. Any brand DOT 3, DOT 4, or DOT 5.1 is compatible in your Honda's brake system. Do NOT use DOT 5, which is a silicon-based fluid, unless the old fluid is thoroughly flushed out of the lines and the calipers are disassembled and cleaned of all traces of the old fluid.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I didn't see that reccommendation, although I've heard it from several different service techs, and our service manager. They say do NOT bring it in until it is due for a change (on the 2003-2005 I4s, the scheduled maintenance is 5,000 miles, so that's when I brought it in). I take it every 5k miles now, even though the minder generally says 40% or so at that point. I'm afraid when I actually get to the 15%, I'll be too busy, so it's easier to do it somewhere in that range of 5,000 miles -15% on the meter...About a 2,500 spread of which I can find time to get it changed.

    It is a timing chain also, I'll confirm that for you (not that my word means much:))
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I believe the ATF flush is scheduled for 60,000 miles. My dad just had it done in his 2005 model, and he had about 58,000 miles.
  • tamu2002tamu2002 Posts: 758
    Can you tell me where you saw the recommendation that the 1st oil change should not be done within 5K miles? Thanks.
  • Service writer at the dealership told me first service (oil change) for the 4 cylinder is 5000 miles, and 3750 miles for the six cylinder. He avoided answering whether the car is delivered with a "break-in" type oil. Haven't seen answers to these questions in the manual.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Can you tell me why any manufacturer would choose to use a belt instead of a chain? It seems the chain has all the advantages and the belt none. Is it a cost thing?
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,741
    Can you tell me why any manufacturer would choose to use a belt instead of a chain? It seems the chain has all the advantages and the belt none. Is it a cost thing?

    Noise - belt is quieter than a chain.

    Cost - belt is cheaper than a chain.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Read post 19313 for my response to this question the first time... :)
  • tamu2002tamu2002 Posts: 758
    Thanks. I missed your post somehow.

    I think I'll just keep my eye on the oil and maybe change it during the Christmas break with Mobile 1 syn. Unless the "don't-change-the-oil-untill-5K" comes from Honda directly, I'm hesitant to trust it, not to be disrespectful thegrad. ;)
  • I'll be moving to synthetic in my new Accord, but not till the car has about 10,000 to 15,000 miles on it. Mechanics I talk to suggest not jumping from dino oil too early. The dealer recommended the first oil change at 5,000 miles. Can't help you with a written reference on that.

    Synthetic oil makes more sense to me using the oil change reminder system. I don't drive much. With 3200 miles showing on the odometer (bought in May), the percentage remaining shows 60%. That means I should expect about 7,000 miles between oil changes. I don't feel comfortable running dino oil for that many miles.

    I use Castrol Syntec in my Dakota pickup and change it annually (about 5,000-6,000 miles)or at 5,000 if that comes first. The Dakota is a 2001 with 38K on it.

    I will probably follow the same routine in the Accord. Use synthetic... watch the miles and change it annually or when the indicator reaches the lower limit.

    Somebody's going to get a great used car in ten years ;-)
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    I think it has something to do with the engine configuration. The inline 4cyl chain only has to go around one camshaft, like an "O" shape. The V6 has two camshafts (one on each cyl bank), therefore the belt would be serpentine, sort of like a "W" shape, and would probably reduce horse power because of the length, weight, and all the turns the chain would have to make. The belt is much lighter, and easier to flex around all the pulleys and shafts.
  • tallman1tallman1 Posts: 1,874
    I wish I could remember where I read it but I know I did on something official. I've looked in the owner's manual but can't find it now. It made sense to me since the oil from the factory is supposed to be different and it helps collect the minute metal particles from the engine. It was very clear that you shouldn't change it before 5000 miles.

    Now if I could just find where I read that to make you feel better. :confuse:
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    All the maintenance requirements are written out in manuals delivered with the car. I don't know why you cannot find it. Try asking the dealer to help you find it.
  • tamu2002tamu2002 Posts: 758
    The dealer told me the 4-cy has a timing chain and don't switch to synthetic untill after 10K some miles. But Honda's manual makes no mention of the chain and its maintenance (or no need thereof); with regards synthetic oil, it only says something along the line of "make sure you use the right weight", and makes no mention of waiting for 10K miles. You'd think if they felt this were important enough, they'd want to let the owner know.

    So my conclusion is:
    1)if the 4-cy engine has a timing chain (most likely), it doesn't ever need to be replaced or the minder will tell ya;
    2) switch to synthetic anytime;
    3) do the first oil change anytime.

    What other logical conclusions can one draw from the information that THEY (Honda) provide? :confuse: :mad:
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    If there is no mention of a belt change ever (like 105K or 110K miles) then it would have a chain that should last the life of the engine.
    Just look at all the maintenance requirements in the manual. Other Hondas have different levels of service like A1 to B3. A1 would be the most basic interval of only an oil change and the B3 would be the most extensive service changing alot of filters, belts, changing transmission fluid and everything else that has any maintenance requirement. The Accord is probably the same.
    Just look it up in the manual.
  • tallman1tallman1 Posts: 1,874
    The Accord has a timing chain, not a belt.
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