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Lincoln LS Steering and Suspension

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  • I've had my LS for 5 years, 126K. I've never had a problem with a window regulator, although I hear owners complaining about this all the time; I'm just lucky I guess. I have the other common LS problems: Front end rattle (now fixed), Air bag light on, Leaky valve cover gaskets (now fixed), and occasional engine miss.....which is my next project. These are the finest cars I've seen in some ways, but they all have the same problems.
  • I have a 2001 V8 ls I just started to notice a whistling noise comming from the motor when i hit about 50 mph at first i thought it was road noise but it definetly isnt..
  • All 4 regulators done. I think I got the last one done in 45 min. Those bushings really get the tribbling basket ball out of the front end? I did both knuckles (lower ball joint). Now the upper is shot. I thought that was on the knuckle, guess not. Upper control arm time? Or is the the upper ball joint available solo?
    Keep those moonroof drain hole clean!
    And make sure you have enough steering fluid in the fan pump.
    I don't wanna even talk about the COPs
    Thanks,
    Ron
  • mommimommi Posts: 5
    I used to own a 2000 Lincoln LS V8. On january 23, 2007 i was going only about 30 mph (thank God!)and my driver side wheel just kinda broke off and wedged under my car as i struggled to maintain control and steer it to the side of the road. People passing were absolutely in awe and were pulling over to take pictures! It freaked me out...i wondered how something like that could even happen. After researching i found out there was a recall on that make and model (ones assembled at the Wixom Assembly Plant). Safety Recall # 00S39 Front Suspension Lower Ball Joints. I bought it from Import One, and therefore didn't own the vehicle at the time the recall was issued but a man at a Lincoln dealership told me something to the effect of the owner of the car at the time brought the car in to a Lincoln dealership in Lake Charles and was told the recall didn't apply to that car...i'm not sure if the vin wasn't included in the recall or if the defect wasn't occuring.
    I wasn't quite sure of exactly what the hell was going on. This all was just insane and hard for me to process. Why did this happen? How could this happen? Wheels aren't supposed to break off cars!!! It was really scary for me to think of what could have possibly happened if i would have been on the interstate going 70 mph...especially with my son in the car with me!
    I no longer have the car but have hired a lawyer and am seeking any information anyone may have regarding this matter. I am not happy and i want answers!
    Thanks for your time!
    Brandy
  • mommimommi Posts: 5
    2000-2001 Lincoln LS owners beware...please read my story! 100% TRUE!

    On january 23, 2007 i was the owner of what i thought was a very safe and reliable 2000 Lincoln LS V8. I was driving only about 30 mph (thank God!)and all of a sudden with no warning my driver side wheel broke off! It wedged under my car as i struggled to maintain control and steer it to the side of the road. People passing were absolutely in awe and were pulling over to take pictures! It freaked me out...i wondered how something like that could even happen. After researching i found out there was a recall on that make and model (ones assembled at the Wixom Assembly Plant). SAFETY RECALL # 00S39 FRONT SUSPENSION LOWER BALL JOINTS. I bought the car from Import One and didn't own the vehicle at the time the recall was issued but a man at a Lincoln dealership told me something to the effect of the owner of the car at the time brought the car in to a Lincoln dealership in Lake Charles and was told the recall didn't apply to that car...i'm not sure if the vin wasn't included in the recall or if the defect wasn't occuring.
    I wasn't quite sure of exactly what the hell was going on. This all was just insane and hard for me to process. Why did this happen? How could this happen? Wheels aren't supposed to break off cars!!! It was really scary for me to think of what could have possibly happened if i would have been on the interstate going 70+ mph...especially with my son (who was 1 yr old at the time) in the car with me!
    I no longer have the car but have hired a lawyer and am seeking any information anyone may have regarding this matter. I am not happy and i want answers! I also want to make others aware so this doesn't happen to anyone else with possibly much worse consequences!
    Brandy
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,675
    This happened 2.5 years ago and you're just now following up on it? Yes, there was a recall for a potential loose nut or bolt IIRC. Was that the cause of your wheel failure? No way to know for sure. 7 years is a long time. Who are you going to sue? Not sure you'd be able to prove liability and even then you'd only get the amount of the repairs.
  • mommimommi Posts: 5
    thanks for your reply!
    No...i sought immediate legal advice. It has been filed but it has jus taken the lawyer this long to research everything and rule out the possibility of a class action suit. All the automotive experts that examined it told me that yes that surely did seem to be the cause. The actual print out of the recall from Ford Motor Company states this: Some of the affected vehicles may have an under-torque condition of the front suspension lower ball joint attaching nut. An under-torque condition may result in loosening of the attaching nut. In some cases this can result in a fracture of the ball stud, which may lead to a separation of the lower control arm from the steering knuckle.
    i assure you that even to see pictures of it would bother you and give you quite disturbing thoughts!
    My lawyer is deciding who is fully responsible...or whether it is two parties responsible... 1 being the Lincoln dealership who declined to fix the problem at the time of the recall, 2 being the other reputable dealership i bought the car from in the summer of 2006 (not a Lincoln dealership but possibly should examined the car better for problems before selling it!)
    We definitely are doing what we can to get to the bottom of exactly happened!
  • My aligment is bad and is eating my front tires like crazy!! they told me that they need to change my upper ball joint first and then do the aligment. Anybody knows where i could find the upper ball joint a lot chiper than buying it from the dealer?
    would it be smart buying it from a junk jard?
  • toomanyfumestoomanyfumes S.E. Wisconsin Posts: 894
    Buying from a junkyard is a bad idea. Check parts suppliers online, that might save you some money. I think the ball joint is part of the upper control arm on this car, that might be why it's expensive.
  • i was going to buy the upper control arm and the ball joint because they come together for $253 and i found the control arm, ball joint, and bushing everything for $88 dollars! :shades:
    check it out

    www.bobutterfordparts.com
  • Hello jmn1964, my Air bag light its on all the time how did you fix it?
  • My freaking ls just broke down AGAIN!!!! I had already changed the timing chain like about a year ago, I end up paying $650 to get it fixed. Now last week the car just died on me while driving and it didn't start after that till next day with this huge nasty noise and shaking from the motor then I knew it was done!! Mechanic tolm me it's the timing chain and that is better just to get a new motor than to fix it because it probably damage the motor but i don't have the money right now for it so i dont know wath to do!!!!!!
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,675
    A timing chain that breaks after 1 year is either a defective timing chain or a defective repair. How is that Lincoln's fault?
  • Like other 2000 LS V8 owners, I have been plagued with the thunking front end sound for years. I ordered the energy suspension part # 9.5171. They fit and the noise is gone! As others have reported, the old sway bar bushings don't even look bad. AllData quotes 1.2 hours to replace both bushings. It took my mechanic 1.5 hours. Total charge (pre-negotiated): $120 for labor.

    Incidentally, I also fixed the airbag wiring under the driver seat. It took 20 minutes and $24 in parts. I did not have to remove the driver seat at all.
  • I recently had my brakes done and now there's a squell , but the promblm is the clanking noise that i'm hearing on that side when i hit anthing other than smooth pavement. Any help on what this sound is?
  • toomanyfumestoomanyfumes S.E. Wisconsin Posts: 894
    When I bought my LS from a Toyota dealer, they replaced the pads before I picked the car up. I had squeeling and a rattle in the front end. I took it to the Lincoln dealer because it was still under the factory warranty, and they said the other dealer used cheapo pads that didn't fit right and had improper anti-rattle clips.

    They replaced them with OEM parts (at the Toyota dealer's expense) and have been trouble free since.
  • that's what i was thinking too man, I should of known and took it to somebody that would have gave me warranty on it!!!! sucks :sick:
  • Does anybody knows where i could buy a good engie and cheap for my ls. Any websites or companies you know please thanks..
  • rup1crup1c Posts: 1
    Hi I;m actually going through that same thing where they are saying I need the whole control arm with the knuckle to fix my lower ball joint. What exactly did you buy for $88 from that website. I looked but I couldn't find exactly what i needed. I need a passenger side lower ball joint and a driver side upper ball joint.
  • lskccclskccc Posts: 1
    I've had my Lincoln LS for almost 2 years now and I love it. I know its time for some suspension work because its riding pretty rough now. I am trying to figure oout the cheapest route to go as far as my suspension. I was trying to figure out if an aftermarket full suspesnion kit with all new bushings or OEM would be cheaper.
  • what did you have to do to fix the airbag wiring under the seat?
  • I know there was a recall on the front lower ball joints for improper torque, does anyone know the proper torque? Also I purchased lower ball joints separately from the knuckle, and one of my local machine shops can't press the old one out or the new one in. Any ideas. I'm going to another machine shop later to see if maybe they can. Has anyone had any luck pressing out the old ball joints and pressing in new ones?
  • Mommi,
    Just because the ball joint failed doesn't mean it was because the ball joint nut was loose! Ball joints fail everyday. A ball joint failure at 50-60,000 miles or more is not uncommon. If the telltale signs are ignored long enough, the failure can be catastrophic, as was your experience. If you were to provide the VIN, I could tell you when/where/mileage the recall was completed, provided your vehicle was included in the original recall.

    That's all I know for now...
  • Per the recall bulletin, the ball joint nut should be torqued to 150 Nm (111 lb-ft).

    That's all I know for now...
  • Is a LS a good car to buy? I was thinking of buying a used 2000-01.Does it have air suspension or springs and struts? thanks
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,675
    Springs and shocks. The 03-06 models are better. Expect to replace the COPs and possibly do a tranny repair (usually just replacing the valve body). They're great cars to drive and a great value.
  • J C Whitney has generic sway bar bushings they say will fit my 2001 LS. Has anyone changed any lately and do you have a " how to " to pass along. For $14 they sure are tempting and if they DO work what a savings.
  • Hello all... Looks like sway bar bushings are a common LS problem. I've recently had knuckles/ball joints replaced by a pro, but would like to tackle the bushings myself, if possible. Have the Lincoln service CD, and there seems to be a lot more to this than meets the eye (control arm/strut disassembly, etc.). I have the Energy Suspension bushings mentioned elsewhere in this forum, but I did not see how much was actually required to mount them. Do the old bushings slip off the end(s) of the bar, and the new ones go on the same way? Or does the whole bar have to come out to make it happen? (I hope not) I will be replacing the links as well, if that makes a difference. Do the new brackets bolt right in where the old ones came out? How much of the engine compartment and front end do I REALLY have to dismantle to do this job?

    Thanks for any help you can give. Like I said, I do have the Ford-issued SM disk, and have done a lot of work on the car myself, so I will try to be helpful and contribute here when I can.

    Guess I should've mentioned that mine is an '01 LS8 Sport with 87K...
  • azlsazls Posts: 4
    Dealer says that the steering 'rack' is leaking; however, no evidence of low fluids or fluids on garage floor. Steering is good, no noise, etc. Should I believe them?
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,675
    If it's not causing noticeable problems and you don't see fluid then I wouldn't worry about it right now at least. Could be a small leak leaving residue on the hoses.
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