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Lincoln LS General Care & Maintenance

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  • Thanks for the advice. I had a rear caliper freeze up today and had smoke coming from the pads. I went to Autozone and got a loaner tool for $35 with 10 adapters for different piston sizes to screw the piston back while applying pressure to the piston, worked great, then installed new pads. I am trying to reuse the rear caliper for now since I would have to order the caliper anyway and got my car back on the road tonight, except I only bleed one side so the peddle is soft. It is late, I will change the other side pads tomorrow night and bleed it correctly. Oh, the symptom was that the car acted like a tire was out of balance :confuse: intermittendly, and the car would run smooth, then shake and sound like a flat tire, then run smooth again, very confusing.
  • ccicakccicak Posts: 13
    Good info on the brake tool from Autozone, thanks. I did my brakes last winter and made a tool out of wood and nails, which made the job much harder than it needed to be. Next time I'll rent the tool. I'm planning to change the auto trans fluid this week and waiting for the filter to come in from Advance Auto. Job doesn't look too difficult except I must pump the new fluid in since there is no dipstick. My tranny is mis-behaving (clunks when changing gears and sometimes hesitates when put into drive). Had it rebuilt once already be the dealer at 15k miles (under warranty) but now has 53k miles and acting up again. Hoping new fluid will help.
  • Actually it is a loaner tool, you "rent/buy" it for $35, and return it for a refund when you are done, no charge to use the tool. It is a good program they have. They loan AC manifold, guages, and pumps here, plus 100 other tools, check it out. Good luck on your tranny job.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,689
    You really should get the tranny flushed at the dealer - that will get 95% of the old fluid out. They use the cooler lines to remove the old fluid and replace it with new with the engine running. Much better than dropping the pan where you only get about 1/3 of the fluid.
  • On the tranny flush, I understand the concept and the claim of 90% plus new fluid, but how can you pump new fluid into a full tranny oil pan and torque converter and expect only the old fluid to come out? It is good to flush the tranny, but the percent effective is over estimated I am sure. Just my 2 cents.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,689
    Because it uses the transmission's own pump. Think about it - when you're driving the transmission is pumping the fluid and sending it through the cooler. You can try this yourself with a couple of 5 gallon buckets and rubber hose - just make sure not to contaminate the new fluid or run it low.
  • jodar96jodar96 Posts: 396
    I much rather have them drop the pan, clean the pan, replace the filter/screen, put it together and then flush the whole thing. Flushing without removing the pan is a lazy way to get it done. My 96 Camry had a drain plug in the trasmission pan, once a year I was able to drain and replace about 3 quarts at a time.

    Joe
  • You should change the filter also, but I think we all agree that any maintenance is better than no maintenance. As for my brakes, bleed the brakes for an hour, never got a decent pedal, I think you have to get the piston to rotate back out to get a full pedal, I don't know??? Drove it around the block, and the caliper is still sticking and the rotor is too hot to touch and smells like it's burning, new caliper tomorrow. Oh, make sure you flush your brake fluid also :) Is there a link for changing the clock spring, and how do you disable the air bag since the fuse box is so nicely marked.
  • Hey,
    I am replacing my caliper on my 01 LS and have a choice of Phenolic or metal piston in the caliper. I didnt' know they made phenolic pistons, and that would cure the piston corrosion problems if they are strong enough to live. Any one with any experience with this? Thanks.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,689
    There is no reason to change the filter. If there is enough crap in there to clog up the filter, the tranny is already toast. This advice comes from a former transmission engineer. He flushes his every 30K but doesn't drop the pan.
  • I haven't read all the replies to this but the drivers rear window is on a do not recall recall. Linc has tons of problems with this and should replace it for free. They did mine last month..TFC...
  • where is the PCV Valve located? My car staling when stoping :(
  • you have to take off the plenum, then the intake it should be under there if thats where the hissing sound is coming from if yours is a 3.0. I have an s type jag it idles rough the stalls and there is a hissing sound
  • I have been having a problem on quick acceleration. My car runs fine at almost any speed, but when I push it to the floor and goes to a lower gear it coughs and misses. Does anyone know what that sounds like?
  • jeyhoejeyhoe Posts: 490
    "Does anyone know what that sounds like? "

    Ah, I'll give it a shot -

    "Vrrrroooo ohm -ohppfff bubbubbubbaaaa arggarrgg clickaclicka schploot"

    Is that close?
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,689
    Careful jeyhoe - I'm starting to like you.

    As for the cause I'd say COPs or fuel pump.
  • That is very close.
  • jeyhoejeyhoe Posts: 490
    richman

    Yeah, I should only have my own radio show with my brother! :)

    akirby is usually right about these things, so check those out. Course if it's fuel line, cheapest possible is fuel filter. Other than that, I dunno. Good luck and thanks for havin sense of humor.
  • brucelincbrucelinc Posts: 814
    If the sound really ends in "clickaclicka schploot" your problem could be terminal!

    Seriously, you will probably need to have the engine scanned for any codes. Even if the check engine light doesn't come on, diagnostics can be done. Like Akirby, I would be suspicious of fuel pressure. That could be filter, fuel pressure regulator, or fuel pump. A bad COP could also cause the problem. They can stress test the COPS and pinpoint if they are the problem.

    There are SO many things that can cause this, I wouldn't recommend just throwing parts at it. Mine had a problem last week and it was caused by an insect getting caught in the mass air flow sensor.
  • Hey,

    I'm thinking about getting an '02 Lincoln LS V8 from Carmax (Stock# 4308961 in Waukesha, WI for those who want to look it up). It has 57K miles on it, and it's $14,998.

    I liked this car ever since it came out, but I've been reading reviews since I'm thinking about getting one, and they have definitely been very mixed. I've seen a lot of people saying they've had a lot of repair/maintenance issues, and that the car is expensive to maintain, in which case I don't know if I want to get it...

    Also, I read that many improvements were made starting in '03, and that the '00-'02 LS V8s had some transmission problems...

    I was just wondering if I could get some reviews from some actual owners...
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,689
    Actually the 03's had more transmission problems than the 02s. The 02 was the best year of the first gen - it actually has about 10 more hp than advertised due to a new airbox. You'll probably have to replace the COPs and maybe the valve cover gaskets but the tranny should be fine (famous last words). The other potential replacements are sway bars/bushings and front ball joints. Keep in mind that many folks have had none of these problems on their 00-02 LS while some have had most or all of these. The bargain purchase price more than makes up for a few repairs and it's a great car to drive. That car probably stickered over $40K new.

    Do you get a warranty from CarMax?
  • I have had my LS for 38 months. It had 32000mi when I bought. It now has 154000mi. It has been a great car. I have replaced 3 Ignition coils, $250.each. I have replaced the front rotors, etc. $200. I replaced all 4 wheels, I had a front end vibration that we could not get rid of. I spent $125.00 for after market wheels, no more vibration. I drive all road miles 125mi per day 5 days a week. I would say it has been one of the most reliable cars I have owned. It is fun to drive and comfotable. I am probably going to buy another in the spring.
  • ccicakccicak Posts: 13
    My '02 LS (V8) definitely has its problems. But the anticipated enjoyment of driving it keeps me going. Not for the faint of heart, and must have a sense of curiosity to own one (needs constant attention).
    I have 53K miles on it and had the tranny rebuilt at 20K (under warranty), but tranny is acting up again at 53K.
    Heated driver seat doesn't work, airbag light is on, lug nuts are annoying, paint has bubbled in a few spots... but the car is fun to drive. Would I buy another... maybe not, but compared to the cost of the comparable bimmer, these cars are a deal provided you like to work on cars.
    Craig
  • Would you guys recommend getting the V8 or the V6? There is a decent power difference, but only 1MPG difference in gas mileage...

    What do you think you would choose between an '02 LS and an '02 Acura TL Type S?
  • ccicakccicak Posts: 13
    I still love my LS but honestly, I did also consider an Acura before I bought the LS. I liked the rear wheel drive of the LS vs front wheel. The Acura will probably require less maintenance. My LS has the Sport Pkg. Tough choice might come down to price. I got a heck of a deal on the LS.
  • jodar96jodar96 Posts: 396
    We have a 2000 LS V-6 with sport package with 115K miles that we are selling. We just bought a 2008 Accord EX. The LS drives very nice on smooth roads. In city driving, you feel the car's weight, and when the road gets rough, the LS gets rough.
    LS is not a nimble car. My 2001 E430 at 3750 pounds feels like it is a 3200 pound car. The LS at same weight feels heavy.

    The LS has an excellent driving position and highway manners. the seats are comfortable, both road and wind noise are low.

    I think you can do better with the price. $14-15K seems high for a 02 LS V-8. Track a few LS's on E-bay to see what the going prices are and add $800-$1000 for shipping.

    Don't feel bad if this LS slips away as there are tons of good used cars out there.

    Joe
  • Thanks for all the feedback, everyone.

    After reading Edmunds' long-term test of their '00 Lincoln LS (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/LongTerm/articleId=44682#9), I'm not so sure anymore... They said they had a lot of problems, especially with the transmission... Have you guys read this? Is it valid? I haven't read anything nearly as bad about the '02 TL Type S as some of the things I have read about the first-gen LS... Granted, the long-term test was on an '00, and the one I'm looking at is an '02, but did they make any changes in that first generation?
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,689
    Don't believe everything you read, especially on Edmunds. The transmission problems on their 00 LS were fixed by a software update and TSB. I personally told the editor about the TSB after one of their monthly reports where they complained about it. The editor took it in for service and instead of asking about the TSB he decided to "test" the service writer and see if he would find it on his own. He didn't so they continued to drive the car and complain about the tranny for the next 3 months. Irritating, to say the least.

    The 00 was the very first model year and had some teething problems. The 02s were much, much better and even had a few more (unadvertised) hp due to a new airbox. You may have to replace the COPs and the valve cover gaskets plus the front sway bar. Some have had to replace front ball joints but not a lot.

    It's not perfect but the handling more than makes up for a few repairs (yours may have already had those repairs). Do a panic stop from 70 and notice how it just squats down and stops - no nose dive at all.
  • same problem here in marylnd :mad: we should start writing letters :lemon:
  • So the other day, my '00 LS hit 90K. I took it in to the shop today for a regular oil change, brake cleaning and the guy told me I'm due for the 90K big boy.

    He also gave me suggestions on a transmission service and replacing spark plugs. I'm holding off until next month for the spark plugs to give me a little breathing room.

    All said and done, here's his estimate on the 1 day project:
    90K Service - $625
    Transmission Service - $199
    Total Estimate - $825

    Is that seemingly appropriate for the services I'm getting on my baby?
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