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2013 and earlier-Mercedes Benz E-Class Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • Ventilated seats require you to first upgrade to Leather seats. You can't get the ventilated seats with the MB tex. So it's a double whammy, cost of leather+cost of optional ventilation. Both separate options that must be ordered separately from other options.
  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,480
    Yes! From what I have learned from the general manager at the dealer I buy my cars from is that the MBtex does not "give". Additionally, if you perforate a vinyl, it weakens it. That is why you must order leather.

    And, you are correct in your statement that it is a double whammy. Leather is 1620 dollars along with the 500 dollars or so for the ventilated seats (all they do is perforate all the leather with holes and add a fan under each seat). So, you are paying over 2000 dollars to get ventilated seats. As I have mentioned before on this site, Mercedes Benz just seems to refuse to make leather standard, as does BMW (you must purchase Dakota leather or a premium package to get leather) on the E 350 as well as the C class. When you are purchasing a car for 56000 (or 62,350 in my case), you would think leather should be standard. Leather is standard on INfiniti, LExus, Jaguar, Cadillac, Lincoln, to name a few. Why not MErcedes?

    I rest my case!

    2014 Mercedes Benz CLS 550 - best car ever! 2nd best car ever, my 1967 Corvette Stingray Coupe with 435 hp.

  • Do some research. Many buyers don't want leather. Myself, yes, but I'm on my way right now to pick up a 2012 Merc for my wife that has MB-TEX. She insisted on it because of durability, wear characteristics, and ease of cleaning.
  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,480
    I agree with you. I"ve had MBtex on all my E350's, and quite frankly, I prefer that over leather. But, unfortunately, in order to get the ventilated seats, you must order leather. The ventilated seats cannot be ordered with MBtex. So, as you can see, I was forced to get the leather.

    What I was trying to communicate is that most luxury cars come standard with leather. Mercedes does not, at least in its C and E class cars. As I also stated, I cannot tell the difference between MBtex and leather, with the exception of the aroma in the car from the leather.

    If given a choice (which I was not), I would have the MBTex, especially here in Florida where the hot sun eventually deteriorates the leather.

    2014 Mercedes Benz CLS 550 - best car ever! 2nd best car ever, my 1967 Corvette Stingray Coupe with 435 hp.

  • ghstudioghstudio Posts: 931
    I am south florida and I opted for the light beige M-tex interior rather than upgrading to leather with ventilated seats. The A/C is terrific in this car and I have not regretted my decision. If I wanted a black interior, I think I might have opted for the leather.

    For those wondering why Mercedes doesnt make leather standard....the answer is obvious....competitive pricing combined with profit.
  • Ya know, the MB is perforated but to be honest I did feel they were a little warmer than leather.
  • sp11sp11 Posts: 6
    Thanks for your input.

    But for 2012 you can get a walnut burl interior with the sport model.

    I saw this in the cars I was looking at.
  • bevbranbevbran Posts: 40
    I am happy to hear you say that USAA incentives will always be available. I'm counting on that and MBFinancial--and aware that they limit stacking of "certificates" beyond that. I was surprised that they thought the car would be delivered before the end of the year---I think that's wishful thinking! No worries---I've got lots of time left on my lease and it gives me time to save a little extra to cover my P2 splurge. :-)
  • bevbranbevbran Posts: 40
    Yes, you're absolutely right---I saw that myself the other day! A beautiful option.
  • Recently bought a close out 2011. Traded my 2010 E350. Gas mileage on the 2011 is improved. Just made a 200+ mi. freeway trip and averaged 31.5 @ 65mph. My car is a late production model for 2011. That with only 900 mi. on it and running the A/C.
    That and $9500 off made my day. Sure I would like a 2012 but don't think that I went wrong. Have P2 pkg.
  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,480
    edited November 2011
    Interesting comment about fuel economy. I have had a 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, and now a 2012. The only difference between these cars, "engine wise" is the 2012 with the higher horsepower and improved fuel economy. Let me share with yhou my experiences regarding fuel economy.

    Each car gave me a different average fuel economy. The best fuel economy I ever got on the E350 was on the 2010 (with the exception of the 2012). I got 29 mph on the highway at sustained speeds of 65 mph. City mpg was horrible, 15 - 16 mpg at best.

    My 2011 was the worst. The best I could get was 26.5 mpg at sustained speeds of 65 mph in cruise control. No matter what gasoline I used, no matter what I did, I could not get more than 26.5 mpg.

    My 2008 and 2009 got 27.5 average mpg at sustained highway speeds.

    My 2012 currently gives me 32.2 mpg highway, but remember, it only has 345 miles on it and has not begun to break in yet. So I am expecting to get what my twin brother gets on his 2012 E coupe, 33.5 mpg. I know the coupe is a little lighter in weight, but still great economy.

    So, in summary, it depends on the vehicle! In other words, your new 2011 gets 31.5, yet mine couldn't get more than 26.5. My service manager has a 2011 exactly like the one I had, and he gets 28.6 mpg. Each car delivers a different mpg average

    Good luck with your new E350. If you enjoy it half as much as I did, you'll be in heaven.

    The only reason I got the 2012 was for improved performance and economy. And so far, I'm getting exactly that.

    2014 Mercedes Benz CLS 550 - best car ever! 2nd best car ever, my 1967 Corvette Stingray Coupe with 435 hp.

  • Leased a new 2011 E350 with Premium-1 yesterday.

    33-month lease
    $3000 drive-off cost
    Prepaid maintenance for the duration of the lease
    15,000 miles/yr
    $587/month, all inclusive.
  • Mike, how's the difference in engines (2011, 2012) feel to you? I have the new engine and didn't own an '11 but drove one a few times. I think the old engine kind of had a low thrum to it and new one has a more snarly or growling sound over the top of the low hum.

    The torque curve seems a little higher on the '12 and when it kicks in about 3k rpms it turns into a beast. It kind of begs to be wound up. Haven't had much chance to do that as it's still new.

    Couldn't check gas mileage yet either - only gone through a half a tank.
  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,480
    There is really no comparison (2011 to 2012). The 2012 responds quickly at low rpm's, especially when just starting off from a standing stop. You have be very careful as the engine responds so quickly. The same is true at middle rpm's. When I am on the highway, and want to pass another vehicle, I no longer have to kick it down hard to get to the speed I need to attain in order to pass. It just seems to accelerate without kicking it down.

    I noted your comment about the sound of the engine. The 2011 sounded "tinnier", while the 2012 sounds "throatier". Even from a standing stop, as you accelerate, the engine sounds more like a V8 thand a V6. To be honest, it sounds like a muscle car. Not obnoxiously loud, just very "throaty". Remember, they retooled the engine with the new dual intakes boosting horsepower by 34 and boosting torque by 38 lb ft.

    What amazes me is that they produced an engine with formidible horsepower (302) and increased fuel eonomy substantially.

    When you compare this engine to the BMW 535i, the Mercedes Benz responds more quickly (300 hp vs 302 hp). Yet the BMW has higher torque than the Benz. We own a new 535i, and I find the Benz quicker and more responsive. They weigh about the same, but you are comparing an inline 6 with a V6.

    Yes, this car is definitely a huge improvement over the 2011 and 2010 performance-wise.

    2014 Mercedes Benz CLS 550 - best car ever! 2nd best car ever, my 1967 Corvette Stingray Coupe with 435 hp.

  • mb18mb18 Posts: 1
    Hi experts, How much below invoice should I be able to get the 2012 E350 Sedan fully loaded? What other incentives are allowed if I do not own a competitive car and MB finance account?

    thanks in advance for your answer.
  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,480
    edited November 2011
    Hi, mb18. I do not consider myself and "expert", however I do know alot about the E350 sedan.

    I do not know what you mean by "loaded". There are so many different packages and options, some which you may not want or desire. Besides, it doesn't matter how loaded a mercedes is in determining the best price.

    The only incentives I have seen are for financing rates (1.9%) and a lease special. I am not aware of any other incentives at the present time. You would have to check with your dealer or with "Edmunds" and build the car you want, exactly. Edmunds, the last time I checked, does not show prices yet for the E350 sedan, but "cars.com" does show them, along with invoice.

    The rule of thumb with Mercedes Benz E350 sedans for determining dealer invoice is to subtract 875 from the MSRP. Multiply that number by .935 to determine the approximate dealer invoice (give or take 100 or so dollars), then add back the 875 (delivery charge). That will give you dealer invoice, but remember, TRUE DEALER COST IS ABOUT 3% LESS THAN THAT IF YOU INCLUDE HOLD BACK AND SPECIAL FACTORY INCENTIVES. which most dealers are reluctant to part with until the very end of the model year, and since the E350 sedans just hit the dealerships, and most dealers only have about 6 or 10 of them in inventory, they are not going to be very anxious to discount these cars very heavily.

    Remember, I paid $55,300 + tax and dealer fees for my car, with an MSRP or sticker price of $62325.00 because I had the USAA incentive and the Mercedes Benz Financial incentive.

    You ask the question, "HOW MUCH BELOW INVOICE" can I get a 2012 E350 sedan. My response would be, "...you would be lucky to get one right now for a thousand under MSRP Sticker.

    2014 Mercedes Benz CLS 550 - best car ever! 2nd best car ever, my 1967 Corvette Stingray Coupe with 435 hp.

  • Hi,

    I (think) have a great offer on a new 2011 Blutec with P2 package for 48500 before tax and title. Do you think there is more room to negotiate the price down? From my research it looks like this is below invoice considering the options and trim. What am I missing here? Is the dealer selling it at a loss?

    Also regarding the prepaid maintenance ... is that negotiable or is it a standard price that MB has on their website? Do you recommend that I take it for atleast the first 4 years? Does this maintenance cover the bluetec liquid refill that is required every 10,000 miles?
  • revrasrevras Posts: 59
    coming out of a 2009 E350 lease in March. Currently paying $500 for 15k year w 1800 upfront costs which were due at signing. Any way I can accomplish the same sort of deal in today's financial climate? I know I am eligible for pull ahead, so could get out of lease now and loyalty incentive as well. Think there will be better deals for December etc. ?Right now I am getting quotes for about $660 for 12k lease , 1800 upfront for E 350 lux p1 package. Thanks .

    Who knows it might be time for that Buick Lacrosse AWD.. eeek.
  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,480
    First, without knowing MSRP, there is no way to tell how you are doing. If the car has a P2 package, I am assuming the MSRP is around 59,000. IF he offered you 48,500, I would consider that a good deal. There is no change in cars from 2011 to 2012, so there is no incentive to buy a 2012.

    As for maintenance, I would offer him 49,000 plus 3 years of maintenance. See what he says.

    2014 Mercedes Benz CLS 550 - best car ever! 2nd best car ever, my 1967 Corvette Stingray Coupe with 435 hp.

  • ghstudioghstudio Posts: 931
    edited November 2011
    what's the $1800 up front??? bad idea. Use the same money for multiple security deposits. If they won't give you the maintenance, see if you can add it to the lease like any other feature so you only pay the residualized amount (if the car is worth 50% at the end of the lease, you would only pay 50% or the maintenance cost....if you can residualize it). Different dealers seem to think it can or can't be done...and both have been accepted by mercedes finance.
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