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2013 and earlier-Mercedes Benz E-Class Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,894
    edited June 2013
    ...IMO these wheels look a lot better than the standard...

    I think I mentioned this before:

    I ordered my car with Sport Package, 18" AMG wheels and Wood Leather Steering wheel for sport, along with all the other options. The car comes in with standard wheels, wood/leather "flat" bottomed steering wheel (supposed to be available only in leather). I was so upset - the standard wheels can now be rotated but AMG wheels cannot be rotated.

    So my dealer, at no charge to me, took a set of AMG wheels off another new car and replaced my standard wheels. They inquired for me why I got the flat bottomed wood steering wheel instead of the round one, and they could not explain the oddity. The CLS550 comes in wood steering wheel flat bottomed, but the E Class only comes in leather with the flat bottom. Probably confusion in the computer before manufacture.

    So I got what I wanted, and more - I prefer the flat wood/leather steering wheel. But beware that you will not be able to rotate your tires - which I don't care about.

    2014 Mercedes Benz CLS 550 - best car ever! 2nd best car ever, my 1967 Corvette Stingray Coupe with 435 hp.

  • syd3nsyd3n Posts: 14
    So my dealer, at no charge to me, took a set of AMG wheels off another new car and replaced my standard wheels.

    I have to pay $500 more for the AMG wheels. And I didn't know that you can't rotate them...thanks for pointing that out...the dealership didn't even think to mention that to me! But is this true for the Sport 4Matic model too?

    And thats crazy that you got the flat bottomed wood steering wheel that isn't even an option available for the e350! I too have ordered the optional round sport wood&leather steering wheel.
  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,894
    ..thanks for pointing that out...the dealership didn't even think to mention that to me! But is this true for the Sport 4Matic model too?

    No - 4MATIC's have the same size on all wheels.

    As for flat-bottomed wood steering wheels, you are correct. You can't order one, but for some reason, that's how it came in. My 2013 had a round wood wheel.

    If you order the AMG wheels, they add the flat bottomed leather steering wheel, but it kicks the order out if you order wood/leather.

    Very strange ordering. Also, remember that mine was one of the first 2014's built. Even MBUSA does not know how I got s flat bottom wood steering wheel. They were willing to replace it with a found wood steering wheel, but I like the one I have better.

    2014 Mercedes Benz CLS 550 - best car ever! 2nd best car ever, my 1967 Corvette Stingray Coupe with 435 hp.

  • syd3nsyd3n Posts: 14
    If you order the AMG wheels, they add the flat bottomed leather steering wheel, but it kicks the order out if you order wood/leather.

    When they called me to tell me about the backorder for the standard sport 18" wheels and suggested the AMG wheel upgrade, I did confirm with them that they still had the round sport wood/leather steering wheel because as you said, the AMG wheels force the leather flat steering wheel option. I like the wood look better than the just leather look...hopefully they don't mess it up.
  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,894
    When they called me to tell me about the backorder for the standard sport 18" wheels and suggested the AMG wheel upgrade, I did confirm with them that they still had...

    If you go to "www.mbusa.com" and build your car with the AMG wheels and the wood/leather steering wheel, see what happens. If you are ordering the luxury model, it will be ok, but if you order the sport like I did it kicks it out

    2014 Mercedes Benz CLS 550 - best car ever! 2nd best car ever, my 1967 Corvette Stingray Coupe with 435 hp.

  • cdl1213cdl1213 Posts: 15
    abacomike does your dealer offer the Morgan Stanley discount they do in pa
  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,894
    abacomike does your dealer offer the Morgan Stanley discount they do in pa

    The coupons I used were "fleet" (USSA and MBCA) which cannot be used in conjunction with any other discounts or incentives. If I take incentives, I lose the fleet discounts.

    In answer to your question, I did not bother to ask for the above reasons.

    2014 Mercedes Benz CLS 550 - best car ever! 2nd best car ever, my 1967 Corvette Stingray Coupe with 435 hp.

  • cdl1213cdl1213 Posts: 15
    If you are able to invest with them you get a better discount than usaa or mbca , a lot better
  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,894
    If you are able to invest with them you get a better discount than usaa or mbca , a lot better

    Good to know for the next time - however I do not invest with them.

    2014 Mercedes Benz CLS 550 - best car ever! 2nd best car ever, my 1967 Corvette Stingray Coupe with 435 hp.

  • kml337kml337 Posts: 5
    There is a 2012 E350 RWD with P1 package and 5500 miles that a local non-MB dealer is asking $42000 and I am trying to bargain with him to lower the price to $41000. This car is not a CPO and only has the original 4yr/50000 mile warranty.
    Please let me know if $41000 is a fair price for this car.

    Thanks
    KML
  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,894
    Please let me know if $41000 is a fair price for this car.

    Definitely, considering the low mileage! The problem is that I can't see the car to determine paint work, body work, etc.

    Do you have a CARFAX on the car? If not, demand one. That will tell you the date the car was first registered and what services, if any, we're performed on the car including warranty work. It will also tell you if the car was involved in a collision if repaired.

    I think it is worth a few hundred dollars to have a specialist familiar with paint and body repairs go over the car before you buy it.

    If everything is OK, then $41,000 is a good price!

    2014 Mercedes Benz CLS 550 - best car ever! 2nd best car ever, my 1967 Corvette Stingray Coupe with 435 hp.

  • kml337kml337 Posts: 5
    Hi Abacomike,
    I have seen the carfax, it is clean - no accidents and no maintenance record(probably not even an oil change due to low miles). The car was used in florida for 5 months in the winter...
    If the dealer is not willing to bargain, is $42000 is good price?

    Thanks,
    KML
  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,894
    edited June 2013
    If the dealer is not willing to bargain, is $42000 is good price?

    Yes, it is. Just make sure the oil has been changed and the engine runs smooth. My only concern is that the oil may not have been changed as required by the warranty. Oil must be changed once each year with full synthetic Mobil oil - as required in the warranty book.

    If the oil is clean and there is evidence it was done according to warranty, then it sounds fine.

    If the car sat on the heat 7 months z year, oil must be checked carefully.

    2014 Mercedes Benz CLS 550 - best car ever! 2nd best car ever, my 1967 Corvette Stingray Coupe with 435 hp.

  • pjbrien1pjbrien1 Posts: 2
    Hello all -

    I'm trying to take advantage of the great deals that exist on the 2013 E350 AWD - I've found a couple of cars that would fit:

    Silver/Black
    P1
    Driver Assist

    Sure enough the first dealer I spoke to lowered his price from 60,500 to 49,999 after he realized i was an educated buyer- he then proceeds to tell me if I decide to lease he can only discount by $7000 instead of $10,500. Is this normal? I found another dealer who wanted $5,000 extra on leasing versus buying.

    Have any of you seen similar on your journey?

    Thanks for any advice!
  • syd3nsyd3n Posts: 14
    Anyone know how the just updated USAA fleet discount is structured? Up until recently it was $1500 off MSRP. But the amount is now showing up as $2500 on their website, but I can't determine if it is off Invoice or MSRP.
  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,894
    Anyone know how the just updated USAA fleet discount is structured? Up until recently it was $1500 off MSRP. But the amount is now showing up as $2500 on their website, but I can't determine if it is off Invoice or MSRP.

    I went to my USAA site and priced my car using their pricing. It is $2500 off MSRP but when I got down to final price, they showed a total discount off MSRP of $3424. You can do much better than that!

    Remember, Mercedes reimburses the dealership for the $2500. So you should have no difficulty getting a deal "below invoice" with the USAA coupon you print up and submit. Just because they say "off MSRP" does not mean you can't negotiate the pricing below dealer invoice.

    My car listed for $64350 + $500 for the AMG wheels they added and I paid $58000 with my $1500 USAA coupon and my $1000 coupon from MBCA. And remember, this was 2 months ago when they just hit the dealerships. Now, there is huge inventory on the E Class.

    Let me know how you make out!

    2014 Mercedes Benz CLS 550 - best car ever! 2nd best car ever, my 1967 Corvette Stingray Coupe with 435 hp.

  • samin66samin66 Posts: 1
    How much is a fair discount for a 2014 E350 coupe? My MSRP is coming in at $60,300. Dealer is offering $2k discount. Thx
  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,894
    How much is a fair discount for a 2014 E350 coupe? My MSRP is coming in at $60,300. Dealer is offering $2k discount. Thx

    $2000 is a "fair discount" on a brand new car. But you can get a "great discount" if you shop. $3000 would be better and I know there are those kinds of deals to be had.

    Go to Edmunds new car pricing and determine the actual invoice of the car. Add $500 to that amount and then make them that offer.

    I have found that coupes are not discounted as well as sedans.

    Good luck.

    2014 Mercedes Benz CLS 550 - best car ever! 2nd best car ever, my 1967 Corvette Stingray Coupe with 435 hp.

  • If the 2014's e350 coupes are out, they will be priced at a premium.

    Look and see if there are any 2013 coupes available. Discounts are ranging around 12+% off of MSRP. Both model years are w212 chassis.

    -ValleyGuy
  • Hey Guys!
    Im new here and was hoping for some advice. Im looking at purchasing a new 2014 E350 with Sports Package, Premium 1, Keyless Go and Lane Tracking Package. Any opinions on what the room for negotiation is? The MSRP im getting is around $59,650 and im looking to pay no more than maybe $52-$53K. I did hear that MB's margin is about 12%.
  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,894
    ...pay no more than maybe $52-$53K. I did hear that MB's margin is about 12%.

    The mark-up on a 2014 $60,000 E350 Sport is about 7%. Subtract transportation charges first. Then multiply the remaining amount by ,93 and then add back transportation cost.

    $60,000 - $925 = $59,075 X ,93 = $54,941 + $925 = $55,866 which is invoice +/- $300. I don't know of any current incentives or dealer cash available. If you are a USAA member, or a Mercedes Benz Club member, you can buy the car for several thousand under invoice - if not, you will have your work cut out for you to buy the car at or below invoice.

    The best way is to go to 3 dealerships and buy the car at the dealership with the lowest price. If you have a trade , then negotiations will be more complicated.

    Good luck!

    2014 Mercedes Benz CLS 550 - best car ever! 2nd best car ever, my 1967 Corvette Stingray Coupe with 435 hp.

  • abacomike is right, margin from invoice is about 7%.

    I was told by 2 dealers that deeper discounts will be available for MY14 e350's in the Fall, once the higher demand for the new model has subsided.

    If I was going to buy one, I'd wait until end of year if possible. The Winter Sales event we will see better lease support, discount coupons from the factory and more willingness to deal deep.

    -ValleyGuy
  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,894
    abacomike is right, margin from invoice is about 7%.

    Without any fleet discount like USAA or MBCA, a reasonable price on a new 2014 E350 Sport Sedan would be $500 over dead invoice. You might be able to squeeze another hundred or so lower, however if you are interested in driving a new E Class, that is what it will cost you.

    Edmunds can configure invoice of a new E 350 for you - just go to NEW CARS, select Mercedes, select E class sedan, add paint, interior, option and then they will show you invoice.

    Good luck!

    2014 Mercedes Benz CLS 550 - best car ever! 2nd best car ever, my 1967 Corvette Stingray Coupe with 435 hp.

  • guhoguho Posts: 5
    There is a Lexus dealer who has a 2012 E350 sedan with nav. in the color I like from a trade-in. It has 3 years left on factory warranty. He wants >45k for it. This makes no sense as 2013s were selling at 10k below MSRP. I offered $35k but he claims he can get 43k from the auctions. What would be a reasonable price? Mileage is 9k and car is not bare bones but well-equipped with nav. I have not seen the car yet. It has a clear title. Thanks!
  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,894
    There is a Lexus dealer who has a 2012 E350 sedan with nav. in the color I like from a trade-in. It has 3 years left on factory warranty.

    $45,000 is way too much for a car that is 2 model years old. The mileage is fine. What about CARFAX? Also, make sure the oil has been changed at least twice - at least once a year. What about visible damage, ping dents, evidence of any repainting?

    I would offer him $42,000 if the car is immaculate.

    2014 Mercedes Benz CLS 550 - best car ever! 2nd best car ever, my 1967 Corvette Stingray Coupe with 435 hp.

  • ROBERTBOBROBERTBOB Posts: 3
    edited July 2013
    Picked mine up last week. 6% discount but had a couple extras such as 3-year prepaid maintenance, which effectively made it a 7% discount. I didn't qualify for USAA, MBCA, Morgan Stanley, or other incentives. This is in NJ and the negotiating is much tougher here as are the attitudes. Thanks to those on the board who shared information -- it was a big help.
  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,894
    Picked mine up last week. 6% discount but had a couple extras such as 3-year prepaid maintenance, which effectively made it a 7% discount

    ROBERTBOB, that is an excellent deal on a 2014 E 350 Sport Sedan! Remember, they have only been out for 3 months. The pre-paid maintenance program from Mercedes for 3 years is worth about $900 in real dollars. When I got my car in April, I also got a 3 year maintenance policy, however I rarely keep a car long enough to use it.

    One strange thing that happened to my car when they ordered it and manufactured it for me (which I might have posted here before) was the fact that the car was ordered with a Wood/Leather Steering Wheel and the AMG wheels. When you order the AMG wheels, which are $500.00, they automatically add a "flat" bottomed leather sport steering wheel for $290.00, however when the car came in, the AMG wheels were not on the car. BUT, the wood leather steering wheel on the car was the "flat" bottomed one. This was strange because they don't offer a "flat" bottomed Wood/Leather Sport Steering Wheel. It's either a "found" wood leather steering wheel or a flat bottomed leather only steering wheel.

    Mercedes said the would correct the problem with the Flat Bottomed Wood Steering Wheel (which is only offered on the CLS550) by putting on a round one, but I really like the flat bottom which allows easier entry and exiting of the car from the driver's seat. To make a long story shorter, my dealer had the standard wheels (which are just ugly when compared to the AMG's) replaced with the AMG wheels at no cost to me. I am a very good customer of theirs (I buy a new E every year), but they sure stepped up to the plate on this.

    The only thing about the AMG wheels is that you cannot rotate them. The standard wheels on the Sport can be rotated now (first time) as they are the same size all around. But AMG wheels are wider in the back than in the front.

    Like I said, I don't keep a car long enough to worry about tires, so it didn't matter.

    This new E350 Sport is one gorgeous car. I am going to keep this one until 2016 when they make the major body redesign on the E.

    GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR NEW E350 - you will love every minute!

    2014 Mercedes Benz CLS 550 - best car ever! 2nd best car ever, my 1967 Corvette Stingray Coupe with 435 hp.

  • Hey guys, thanks for the feedback, I visited the dealer and was able to get the dealer to offer me a 2014 E350 with Premium 1, Keyless go, Electronic Trunk Closer, Comfort Box and Rear Deck Spoiler for $50,000. The base price was $58,545. Im debating on whether I should take this deal now, or wait until later in the fall. Right now the dealer is offering a $8,600 discount which seems decent to me. Let me know what you guys think.
  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,894
    Im debating on whether I should take this deal now, or wait until later in the fall. Right now the dealer is offering a $8,600 discount which seems decent to me. Let me know what you guys think.

    And why would you wait? He is trying to sell you a brand new car WELL BELOW INVOICE! If you think you are going to get a better deal than that, you're out of your mind. Grab it before he changes his mind!

    2014 Mercedes Benz CLS 550 - best car ever! 2nd best car ever, my 1967 Corvette Stingray Coupe with 435 hp.

  • syd3nsyd3n Posts: 14
    edited July 2013
    the dealer is offering a $8,600 discount

    That is a great discount...around 14%! Would you be willing to share any details about the types of incentives, coupons, etc that might be part of this massive discount? USAA? MBCA?

    Not going to make any difference to you at this point, but just wanted to mention that I noticed your base price ($58545) might include the Keyless-go ($650) and Electronic Trunk Closer ($560) as separate options. But the dealer is actually able to order these items as part of a package (Keyless-go package, $990) which costs a few hundred dollars less than ordering those items separately. I realize that on the mbusa website, you don't have the option to select the package, but the dealership has a different ordering system. Here's what it looked like on my invoice:

    389 KEYLESS-GO Package $990
    P17 : Control Code
    871 : Hands-Free Access
    881 : Electronic Trunk Closer
    889 : KEYLESS-GO
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