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2013 and earlier-Mercedes Benz E-Class Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,460
    I do not even consider a hybrid until they produce batteries that truly give you a range of 200 miles without the use of the gasoline engine. They are currently working on a 4 cylinder, 300+ horsepower engine that is designed to give over 40 mpg's on the highway and over 30 mpg's city. So long as they can build gasoline engines that can deliver 30+ mpg's, I'm staying away from hybrids.

    That's not saying that hybrids are no good! They are perfect for someone like you who drives short distances in city traffic. To me, hybrids are ideal for that type of driving.

    As for "...what do you think...", I agree with your position that new technologies in a product line need at least 1 full year of SHAKE-DOWN CRUISES before most of the bugs are identified and FIXED! They already have the S hybrid, so manufacturing an E hybrid should be a no brainier for them. I wonder how that Infinity M37 hybrid is working out? Also, the new Lexus GS hybrid is supposed to be introduced this month. If I was forced into having to purchase a hybrid vehicle, I would seriously look into a Lexus (although I am less than comfortable with any Toyota product after all those recalls) because the Japanese hybrid technologies are way ahead of the rest of the world.

    Finally, even though I don't lease cars, if I had to get a hybrid for some unforeseen reason, I would lease it for 36 months instead of buying it. That way, if there was a bug they did not correct, at least I would not own it, but would only have to live with it for the lease term rather than having go "eat" a lemon.

    2014 Mercedes Benz CLS 550 - best car ever! 2nd best car ever, my 1967 Corvette Stingray Coupe with 435 hp.

  • lawcarlawcar Posts: 81
    Although I do mostly local driving, I like to have the option to go longer distances, as I do have to drive to San Diego, Riverside, etc. on occassion.
    I also agree with you regarding leasing a hybrid. With all electric cars coming out, that may be another alternative in the future, but the problems with the Chevy Volt leads one to be a bit cautious at present.
  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,460
    edited February 2012
    Combining great fuel economy with sheer luxury and sufficient roominess/comfort is a monumental task for manufacturers and engineers. I truly believe that compressed natural gas and compressed hydrogen are the next steps to solving two birds with one stone, so to speak. There is a tremendous abundance of hydrogen and hydrogen compounds (water for example - H2O) available as well as hundreds of trillions of cubic feet of natural (methane) gas. Both are clean burning and readily available.

    The use of batteries is not as safe due to the residue (need to dispose of the used batteries when their useful life is completed) not to mention safety issues as discovered with the Volt and other battery powered vehicles. In my opinion, diesel powered vehicles are not a good long time solution either due to limited oil resources. So, that leaves hydrogen as the only long term energy solution. They are just scratching the surface with hydrogen in automobiles. It will probably be another 20 years before engineering and technology make this energy source reliable enough!

    In the meantime, gasoline powered engines with high fuel economy and low emissions is all we can look forward to in the short run!

    2014 Mercedes Benz CLS 550 - best car ever! 2nd best car ever, my 1967 Corvette Stingray Coupe with 435 hp.

  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,460
    They do not! Run-flats are not standard on E350 Sedans or Coupes. If you order the 19" AMG wheels, run-flats can be ordered. BMW's with sport package (5 series) come with standard run-flats. I had them on my 2008 535i, and I hated them. The car drove like I was driving on a board, which means it was so harsh riding and handling, I often got a back ache.

    Run-flats have only one advantage, you can drive for up to 50 miles when you lose air. That is the only advantage to having run-flat tires. The reason they can surive that long without air is due to the very thick and hard rubber and belts under the treads. And, that is why they provide a harsher ride than regular low-profile tires. On my E350 Sedan, if I had run-flats along with the already harsher ride, I'm sure one of my verterbrae would just crack!

    Did you ask this question because you are thinking of adding them to your car or ordering them for your car?

    2014 Mercedes Benz CLS 550 - best car ever! 2nd best car ever, my 1967 Corvette Stingray Coupe with 435 hp.

  • kevinc5kevinc5 Posts: 204
    Thnaks...I'm trying to avoid run-flats for the reasons you mentioned as well as the cost of replacements. For some reason I thought run-flats came with the E350 Sport model. Right now I'm only considering the Luxury model though.
  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,460
    No, run flat tires are not standard on the sport model. Even if you order the Wheel Package with 18" AMG wheels, it does not come with run flats. You have to special order 19" AMG wheels in order to get run flats. So, you have no worries.

    2014 Mercedes Benz CLS 550 - best car ever! 2nd best car ever, my 1967 Corvette Stingray Coupe with 435 hp.

  • ghstudioghstudio Posts: 930
    Run flats come standard on all e350 Bluetec's sold in the US. Canada gets regular tires with an inflate kit.
  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,460
    That is correct, but as he did not specially state "diesel" I assumed he was referring to gasoline engine. Run flats do not come standard on E350 coupes or sedans powered by gasoline engines. Thus I stand corrected! Why they are standard on the diesel and not on the gasoline engines I do not know, but most people do not like the ride on run flats. That has hurt BMW sport model sales, as published.

    2014 Mercedes Benz CLS 550 - best car ever! 2nd best car ever, my 1967 Corvette Stingray Coupe with 435 hp.

  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 27,621
    Why they are standard on the diesel and not on the gasoline engines I do not know

    Maybe a different shaped fuel tank on the diesel, that eliminates the spare tire well?

    Just a guess....

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  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,460
    The only rationale that comes to mind has to do with diesel engine's difficulty starting in extremely colds temperatures. Here is a hypothetical:

    Car gets a flat tire; it's in a very cold climate up north and the car does not have run flats; you call roadside assistance; 3 hours later you try to start the car and it's 15 below zero; glow plug uses up tremendous amounts of battery reserve and fails to start the engine. With run flats, the diesel can go 50+ miles on the flat tire. Remember, I'm pulling at straws to come up with a rationale because in 99% of the cases, the climate would not be that cold, but who knows?

    There must be a rational explanation for this. But, if I was forced to get run flats on my sport E350 sedan, I would not be driving a Mercedes. I would drive a Lexus instead - the new GS sedan! I certainly am not going back to BMW (non-sport model) after all the problems I had with my 2-535i's.

    If anyone knows the reason for run flats only on the diesel, we would sure like to hear from you!

    2014 Mercedes Benz CLS 550 - best car ever! 2nd best car ever, my 1967 Corvette Stingray Coupe with 435 hp.

  • lawcarlawcar Posts: 81
    Aside from the harsh ride that Mike mentioned, I heard that the run-flats are harder to find if you have to replace and more expensive than regular tires.
  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,460
    Yes, Dave, they can cost 50%+ more than summer high performance tires. I looked up the cost of replacement tires for the sport model (same exact tires I got on my car from the factory) and they averaged (depending on where you buy them) over $275 per tire. Michelin high mileage sports were higher, and run flats even more.

    When I finally have to replace my tires in about 18 months (that's when I expect to have 15,000 miles on the car, I am going to get those Michelin's where they get 25,000 to 30,000 miles. Just imagine the cost of run flats though, at least $350+ per tire, of you are lucky.

    Still would like to know why run flats are standard on diesels, not on gasoline 350's. Called my friend at Mercedes and he did not know.

    2014 Mercedes Benz CLS 550 - best car ever! 2nd best car ever, my 1967 Corvette Stingray Coupe with 435 hp.

  • lawcarlawcar Posts: 81
    The same reason that the Canadian E350's have the electric side view mirror and the U.S. models don't. I see a pattern here with our neighbors to the north.
  • lawcarlawcar Posts: 81
    I just went on Michelin website to check out the Pilot Super Sports. There is a spot to see if they fit the E350. There is a choice for filling out year (2012) Model (E350) and then the option, which shows only the 18" coupe but not sedan. When I checked the 18" coupe (even though I have sedan), it shows that they don't fit that car.
  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,460
    They are available through my Mercedes dealer who will give me a 20% discount. Most dealers will meet or beat any deal you get elsewhere. Here in Florida they are available in the sizes found on my car. I'm in no hurry for them, but see if your dealership will do the same. I'd rather get them at the dealership because of the wheel sensors for the tire pressure monitor. Look up the tires by size rather than by make/model/year of your car. They do have the tires listed by size.

    2014 Mercedes Benz CLS 550 - best car ever! 2nd best car ever, my 1967 Corvette Stingray Coupe with 435 hp.

  • lawcarlawcar Posts: 81
    I'll definitely keep it in mind in the future. Is the dealer the only place that has the tires with wheel sensors, or do you mean that you would get them at the dealer because the dealer is familiar with the wheel sensors?
  • ghstudioghstudio Posts: 930
    the diesels come with run flats because Mercedes US decided that's what they wanted to offer....vs the canadian's (much better) solution of an inflator kit.

    The reason for needing anything different is that the bluetec fluid tank is where the spare tire would be on the gas cars.....so the car physically has no room for a spare tire.
  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,460
    My Mercedes dealer where I buy my cars. A Mercedes dealer is more familiar with the wheel sensors so as not to damage them when replacing tires. If both the tire dealer and the Mercedes dealer will sell you the tires at the same price, where would you buy your tires?

    Also if you are a member of the Mercedes Benz Club of America (MBCA.org) you should be able to save 10% on all your parts orders and services. My dealer does for me!

    Also, let me know if you found those Michelins by size of tire.

    2014 Mercedes Benz CLS 550 - best car ever! 2nd best car ever, my 1967 Corvette Stingray Coupe with 435 hp.

  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,460
    NOW THAT MAKES SENSE! No spare - then run flats become a necessity.

    2014 Mercedes Benz CLS 550 - best car ever! 2nd best car ever, my 1967 Corvette Stingray Coupe with 435 hp.

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