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Ford Edge Too Heavy? How's the Handling?

coldcrankercoldcranker Posts: 877
edited March 18 in Ford
A Freestyle is 200 lbs lighter than the Edge, while the Freestyle is a foot longer! This Edge is overweight. Thats a technology leap? Newer vehicles are supposed to retain stiffness and strength while getting lighter, not heavier. My Freestyle SE, FWD '05 model has more cargo room in the back (3rd seat, too) while its about the same roominess up front, all in a Volvo-derived chassis. Those thinking about an Edge should get a Freestyle and get better MPG as well (Freestyle gets 27 mpg highway, while the Edge gets 25 mpg highway). Sure the Edge has the edge with the new V6, but the old Duratec has evolved into a nice 203 hp / 205 ft-lb sweet machine in the Freestyle.
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  • driverdmdriverdm Posts: 505
    203hp/205 ft-lb does not compare with 265/255 any day of the week. The Edge may be heavier but it will probably be quieter amd more solid at higher speeds. 200lbs does not mean much when you are taking a 60 hp leap. Also the Edge has a better 6 speed tranny. Definitely better technology to me. Who cares whether they get heavier, if they drive like they are lighter?
  • garandmangarandman Posts: 524
    Those thinking about an Edge should get a Freestyle and get better MPG as well (Freestyle gets 27 mpg highway, while the Edge gets 25 mpg highway). Sure the Edge has the edge with the new V6, but the old Duratec has evolved into a nice 203 hp / 205 ft-lb sweet machine in the Freestyle.
    If they put the 3.5l V6 in the Freestyle, we're there!
  • The Edge will be smoother, quieter, and handle considerably better than the Freestyle.
    The newer technologies incorporated into the Edge will be a considerable leap over the Freestyle.
    The Volvo frame in the Freestyle, for me, has too stiff a ride.
    The small 203 hp Duratec has a hard enough time lugging around 5 passengers in the Ford 500/Montego..now, it's being taxed more with the extra weight of 2 more passengers!

    The extra 2 mpg in the Freestyle is a non-issue for people considering the Edge, as is that tiny, hard to get in and out of, 3rd row! (More for children than adults)
    That's not the market Ford is after!

    The Toyato Sienna, which is in direct competition with the Freestyle, is heads and shoulders above it in every way, as will the Edge!

    Ford has finally realized, that to compete in a world class market, the Edge has to be world class.
    Something the Freestyle, IMHO, does not achieve!

    However, buyers will be the judge.
    Ford is betting the ranch on the Edge!!!!
    The billions spent on R&D, upgrading the plant where it's built and hiring the head of QC away from Toyota, is a barometer of how commited Ford is to making a vehicle that will truly be a winner!!
    VB
  • "The extra 2 mpg in the Freestyle is a non-issue for people considering the Edge, as is that tiny, hard to get in and out of, 3rd row! (More for children than adults)"

    Have you even been in the Freestyle's rear seat? It's probably the largest/ most accessible 3rd row of any car in that segment. Sure, it's not quite as funtional as say, the rear seat in a Honda Odessey or Toyota Sienna, but those are minivans after all.

    "The Toyato Sienna, which is in direct competition with the Freestyle, is heads and shoulders above it in every way, as will the Edge! "

    While some people may cross shop these two vehicles, they are not really in direct compeition. One is a crossover and one is a minivan. The Sienna does smoke the Ford FreeSTAR minivan, but that's another issue.

    I think it's smart for now for Ford to have both the Edge and the Freestyle on their lots. One is 5 passenger and one is 7; they are dynamically different and have significantly different styling. With all the specialization going on in this segment they're going to have to have some overlap in these vehicles; there's no way around it. If the Edge ends up stealing all the Freestyle sales, it would probably not be a big issue to add a third row to the Edge, or update and differentialte the Freestyle in the next revision. With Fords larger "Fairlane" people mover on the horizon, it seems there might not be room for the Edge, Freestyle, Escape, Explorer, and Fairlane all in the same lineup though.
  • fsmmcsifsmmcsi Posts: 792
    "If the Edge ends up stealing all the Freestyle sales, it would probably not be a big issue to add a third row to the Edge..." Ford will soon release the Mazda CX-9 with 3 rows, and since it is essentially a longer Edge with different exterior and interior styling, Ford will offer a long list of choices:

    5 seats - Escape / Mariner / Tribute
    5 seats - CX-7
    5 seats - Edge
    6 or 7 seats - Freestyle
    5, 6 or 7 seats - Explorer / Mountaineer
    7 seats - CX-9
    5, 6 or 7 seats - Expedition / Navigator

    I received the electronic copy of the December Car & Driver issue yesterday, and it contains a full test of the Edge (plus the magazine has a totally new format).
  • "The Edge will be smoother, quieter, and handle considerably better than the Freestyle.
    The newer technologies incorporated into the Edge will be a considerable leap over the Freestyle."


    Not going to happen, since the Edge is a bloated Ford Fusion chassis. Its incredibly heavy for its dimensions (by about 400 lbs or so), making it less than a sports car. Its high center of gravity won't help either. I just don't see how the Edge will be highly rated by consumers, and Car and Driver, Road and Track, Motor Trend... we'll see. I'm hoping I'm wrong about it since Ford needs a winner.
  • garandmangarandman Posts: 524
    Not going to happen, since the Edge is a bloated Ford Fusion chassis. Its incredibly heavy for its dimensions (by about 400 lbs or so), making it less than a sports car. Its high center of gravity won't help either. ///

    Compared to what? From various sources:
    A BMW X3 curb weight is 4,012 - with a 3l engine.
    A Subaru Tribeca is 4,210 - with a 3l engine.
    A Honda Pilot weighs 4,453 - with a 3.5l engine.
    A BMW X5 weighs 4,696 lbs - with a 3l engine.
    A Volkswagon Taureg weighs 5,086 lbs - with a 3.2l V6.

    Depending on who you believe, the Edge weighs between 4,098 and 4,282 lbs - with larger dimensions and a 3.5l engine and more horsepower than most of the above. They're all piggies.

    The reviews I've read on the Edge thus far have been extremely favorable - even some of the non-mainstream guys that were prepared to hate it for all the reasons you describe. But, they don't - they like it.

    Seriously, do you know anyone who is considering a sports car but might buy a CUV after reading a review in Motor Trend? Those zany guys who in 2006 named, as "Truck of the Year" the Honda Ridgeline?
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,213
    If they put the 3.5l V6 in the Freestyle, we're there!

    The rumor from a reliable Ford employee who frequents these forums is that the Freestyle and Five Hundred will be getting the Duratec35, along with a Fusion/Edge-like facelift, for an early MY2008 run. IIRC you'll see the new versions of them sometime in the Spring of 2007 as '08 models. Edmunds has posted some spy shots of the Freestyle with the Fusion/Edge grille as well.
  • "...Edge weighs between 4,098 and 4,282 lbs - with larger dimensions and a 3.5l engine and more horsepower than most of the above. They're all piggies."

    I agree the weights are high. (Especially the Taureg.) The Edge doesn't look bad against those, but the Murano is 3,800 lbs (FWD version), at the same size as the Edge. The Freestyle is bigger and comes in at about 3,900 lbs. I think its because Volvo (Freestyle) and Nissan optimized the heck out of their bodies, still getting high crash test ratings at relatively light weight. At that weight, the Edge had better get a good crash test rating, for that extra mass. After all, what good is extra mass if it doesn't improve crash test ratings? It just wastes gasoline.
  • "203hp/205 ft-lb does not compare with 265/255 any day of the week. The Edge may be heavier..."

    Remember the 203hp/205ft-lb 3.0L Duratec V6 is a 24-valve, 60 degree, steel-chain, all-aluminum V6, and has improvements from 1995. The Edge will have a new 3.5L engine, with all the first and second year bugs in it for a while. While the 3.0L Duratec isn't the best V6 of all makers out there, its not bad at all. I like mine. Nissan's VQ engines are best, probably. And who thinks the Edge's 6-speed is better than the Freestyle's and Murano's CVT (infinite gear ratios)? Also, the Edge will probably do 0-60 in 8.2 seconds compared to the Freestyle's current 9.0 seconds, not a big deal when you consider you lose MPG in the Edge, a smaller vehicle.
  • CarAndDriver mag has a good article on the Edge's luxury version, the Lincoln MKX: Test Drive Results

    Note the complaints about weight (4600 lbs), which ruins braking and turning. (You're fine as long as you don't turn in that thing.) On the plus side, the Edge/MKX does get good MPG for its weight, 25 MPG in FWD form. The MKX goes 0-60 mph in 8.1 seconds, and a FWD Edge should do that in about 7.9 seconds. CarAndDriver clocked an AWD Freestyle at 8.2 seconds, meaning the "anemic" V6 in the Freestyle is only one tenth of a second slower to 60 mph than the Lincoln MKX (Edge clone)! How does the Freestyle equal the more powerful Edge in acceleration. 1. The Freestyle is several hundred pounds lighter. and, 2. The Freestyle's CVT is good at putting the power to the ground. Instead of the "good" Edge, I'd get the great Murano, CX-9, or Freestyle (bigger).
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,691
    The Freestyle, while very competent, just doesn't look as good as the Edge.

    And who says the Murano is great? The Edge supposedly kicks it's butt performance wise according to the testing team that used the Murano as their benchmark.
  • driverdmdriverdm Posts: 505
    We'll ahve to wait for the C&D Edge drive. Car adn Driver always finds a way to make cars accelerate faster than anybody else seems too. So we have to really wait and see. Who goes cornering in one of these CUV's anyway, unless you buy a CX-7. I mean, who corners in a Highlander or Pilot at a speed where it will matter? I don't see how the Murano is great. My cousin owns one, and for one thing, the Murano gets real expensive real quick. Secondly, the Murano's interior is not very nice. From what I have seen the Edge's looks better and has better packaging as well. Also the Murano takes premium gas where the Edge runs on regular.
  • driverdmdriverdm Posts: 505
    "Note the complaints about weight (4600 lbs), which ruins braking and turning. (You're fine as long as you don't turn in that thing.)"

    An exceprt taken from the same article that you posted a link too:

    "In the handling department, the MKX delivers a very SUV-like 0.75 g on the skidpad. But the ride is nicely isolated from the road while still keeping body roll under reasonable control."

    I found no where in the article that said anything about the cornering or braking being bad. It is just SUV like and many many people are confortable with that. Also, on the contrary in another article, I read that the braking was actually very good. I'd provide the link but you know how Edmunds is about linking to other auto sites. Suffice to say, it won't be a quick search since not that many have tested the Edge.
  • tinycadontinycadon Posts: 287
    Also the Murano takes premium gas where the Edge runs on regular.

    Here we go again! The Murano does not, I will repeat, DOES NOT "NEED" premium gas, it runs perfectly fine on regular gas without any pinging, I know 'cause I owned one and only used regular. But I do agree with you on the cornering issue, who does this in a suv? So all the people who are going to screem about better performance from the premium gas, who cares, these aren't sports cars!!!
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,213
    The Murano does not, I will repeat, DOES NOT "NEED" premium gas

    Yes we have been over this, and it does NEED premium to get the power you paid for. You NEED to let this go and understand that 99% of us are assuming that it NEEDS premium because 99% of us would want all of the power we paid for. Nissan recommends premium and the vast majority of Murano owners are using it I'm sure. I would even venture to guess that the number of Edge owners who will use the non-recommended premium fuel in their copy (for no apparent reason) will be about the same as the number of Murano owners who use the non-recommended regular 87 in theirs. Probably less than 5% IMO.

    You my friend, are an exception to the rule. Not that there's anything wrong with that. :)
  • I need to let it go, ok, sure. The problem is that these people do not distinguish between "need" and recommended for full horsepower outage. See, the CX-7 NEEDS premium fuel because it will damage the engine. Do you see the difference? You won't damage the Murano engine if you don't use premium. Now, as far as people wanting to get the full horsepower output they paid for, hey, I didn't drive it 110mph, but it could go that fast right, so if I paid for a Murano that can go 110mph I should go 110mph right? That's your logic not mine.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,691
    When Nissan starts advertising hp and fuel mileage using regular gas, we'll stop pointing out that it needs premium. And the CX-7 has knock sensors just like the Murano and will run on regular without damage - but it's not recommended.
  • "I found no where in the article that said anything about the cornering or braking being bad."

    I don't think the line about "very SUV-like on the skidpad" was a complement on the Edge/MKX. Note the braking suffers, as the Freestyle does 70-0 in 192 ft, while the MKX, with wider tires than the Freestyle, does 70-0 in 197 ft. Thats the consequence of high weight: Turning, braking, acceleration, and gas mileage are all adversely affected. Some new cars will sell because they simply "look real good" and are shiny, but buyers should look at performance above looks. The Edge/MKX have too many negatives for me. The Murano is faster, brakes better, handles better, has a better V6, and gets better gas mileage than the Edge/MKX, yet people will buy the Edge/MKX, just not in great numbers. Ford needs to do better. Freestyles are bigger and more efficient, and the Murano is a better performer, so the Edge/MKX are not cutting it.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,213
    And the CX-7 has knock sensors just like the Murano and will run on regular without damage - but it's not recommended.</i

    Exactly. Thank you akirby.

    Pretty much any vehicle built in the last few years where the manufacturer recommends premium, because it needs it for full power, will run on regular without damage. You're losing out when you do that IMO. Also, if anyone wants to compare the Murano to the Edge fairly, HP to HP, then the Murano NEEDS premium fuel. That's the bottom line regardless of what 1% of the owners put in the fuel tank to save a few dollars.

    The MAZDASPEED6 will run on 87 as well (same engine as the CX-7) FWIW. Dealers have been notoriously filling them with it and mucking up the test drives because of it. They should all be hung I say!!!! ;)
  • driverdmdriverdm Posts: 505
    You forgot to mention that the Murano also takes premium to deliver on the goods and according to Edmunds, the Edge should be faster than the Murano, so we may have to rethink that whole "the Murano is a better performer" logic because the Edge will run harder for cheaper.
  • driverdmdriverdm Posts: 505
    Edmunds on Acceleration:

    "What it lacks in cubic footage, the 2007 Ford Edge makes up for in horsepower. Instead of the tired Duratec V6 used in countless other Fords, this SUV has an all-new 3.5-liter V6 rated at 265 horsepower at 6250 rpm and 250 pound-feet of torque at 4500 rpm. Fitted with variable intake valve timing, the 3.5-liter doesn't blow you away with its low-end response, but once it revs up a bit, the Edge feels pretty quick.

    The six-speed automatic works well with the V6, delivering smooth upshifts and well-timed downshifts."

    "Ford says the Edge will accelerate to 60 mph in "under 8 seconds" with either drivetrain configuration, which makes it one of the quicker sport-utes in its class. The Murano, for example, takes 8.2 seconds to reach 60, while a Hyundai Santa Fe needs 9.4 seconds."

    Edmunds on handling:

    "Ford's engineers are fans of the Murano's dynamics, so we weren't surprised by the Edge's agility on winding roads. It isn't tuned to be a serious athlete like the CX-9, but its reflexes are nonetheless impressive for a 4300-pound vehicle. Body roll is predictable, and the steering feels right whether you're blasting down the highway or entering a tight turn. Plus, the brake pedal has a nice, linear progression."

    Seems like the Edge is not only pretty quick but does a decent handling job. Also its weight is right in with everybody else. If you want performance, get a CX-7. Now that performs. For a basic CUV, get an Edge.
  • "its weight is right in with everybody else"

    Everybody except the Murano and Freestyle. The Murano is almost exactly the same size, yet weighs 400 lbs less, and the Freestyle is bigger than either and weighs about the same. Also note that the Edmunds review said "..for a 4300 lb vehicle." The Edge is a step backwards. Don't get me wrong, the Edge isn't bad, it just is not as good as a Murano, which came out almost 4 years earlier! And there are other better or as-good choices out there. Remember the Murano gets 0.81 g's on the skidpad to the Edge's 0.75, and the Murano gets sub-8second 0-60 times, beating the Edge again.
  • driverdmdriverdm Posts: 505
    What are you talking about? Who cares if it is heavier if it is faster and handles the same? How is the Murano faster when the Edmunds article clearly says it will not be? The Edge is supposed to get to 60 in under 8 seconds.

    "Ford says the Edge will accelerate to 60 mph in "under 8 seconds" with either drivetrain configuration, which makes it one of the quicker sport-utes in its class. The Murano, for example, takes 8.2 seconds to reach 60, while a Hyundai Santa Fe needs 9.4 seconds."

    Sure the Murano came out almost four years ago but what about the new RAV4, the CRV, the Santa Fe, the CX-7, the Mitsu Endeavor.

    "The Edge is a step backwards."

    I just don't see how. The Edge goes faster, is probably quieter due to all the sound deadening, is cheaper, and uses premium fuel to deliver its 265hp.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,691
    driverdm meant "uses regular fuel to deliver it's 265hp". The suspension engineers tell me it totally outperforms the Murano in handling despite the extra weight. It was their benchmark for tuning.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,213
    and the Murano gets sub-8second 0-60 times, beating the Edge again.

    By saying this you're comparing a performance test from another source which isn't apples to apples. Edmund's numbers don't really tell us anything either since their Murano was tested a while ago. Wait for MT or C&D to do a comparo between the two and then you can see which one is faster and which one handles better because they will be tested under the same conditions by the same tester.

    Pulling numbers out of a hat just because they may look more impressive is useless.
  • Maybe I can't read anymore but the 0-60 time of the Murano is 8.2 seconds!! Which is over 8 seconds last time I checked. While the Edge is Running 7.6 seconds 0-60. Simple logic says the edge is faster than the Murano. :surprise:
  • The Murano is faster (slightly) than an Edge. The Murano's 0-60 times were taken from a Murano test by Car&Driver 3 years ago ("...60 mph flashes by in 7.5 seconds..."). Car&Driver's numbers tend to make all cars faster than they really are because they do "rev-brake" starts, where you rev the engine against the clutch or torque convertor before releasing the brakes, launching you a little faster. Ford's statements basically match Car&Driver's recent tests of the Lincoln MKX, although getting below 8 seconds in an AWD version is difficult. In a nutshell, the Edge is NOT faster than a Murano. The Edge also handles worse and brakes worse than the Freestyle or Murano. The Edges ride comfort will probably be better than a Murano, though.
  • To be accurate and avoid confusion, use Car&Driver (CAndDwebsite--click here) Car & Driver is very experienced. Edmunds.com has problems with correct judgement and views in some cases, probably due to inexperience or lack of an engineering background from the authors.
  • A load Edge is over 4500 lbs! That's getting into Explorer territory. Let's face it--the thing came in too heavy.....I think perhaps Ford should've put the 3.5L in the Freestyle and abandoned the Edge idea altogether. The Freestyle is a superb vehicle, very very underrated (b/c of its wheezy Duratec)........oh, by the way, I've heard grievances in the past about how Edmunds.com staff isn't all that "technical". Such complaints are nonsense. Edmunds's tests are every bit as competent as the major car mags. You don't need a CalTech background to test cars, you just need a passion for the work. (There are plenty of columns and tutorials on this site that demonstrate the automotive knowledge of the Edmunds staff. Check them out.)
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