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Ford Edge Too Heavy? How's the Handling?

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  • markanmarkan Posts: 48
    This is great news. Thanks for the update. To the engineers out there, how much will this improve stopping distance?
  • srangersranger Posts: 106
    Sorry, I am not buying it. I still think they will be desprate to get rid of them by this time next year and we will see the same 2-3K rebates. Once the new wears off ( 1-2 months ) people will realize that it is not any better than some of it's competators and is more expensive that some. Also the new 2008 Hylander will be out by then with the 269hp V6 with the 6speed from the Avalon. It will be hyped up in all of the auto mags and people will quit looking at the Edge....

    P.S you can get a 1K rebate on a 2007 fusion right now. A co-worker just bought a 2007 Explorer for 6K under MSRP. However, even if Ford does not offer a rebate, the dealers will still have to offer a hearvy discount to move them as there is simply too many good alternatives...
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    If you visit www.highwaysafety.org, and check out the crash test news release about Minicars, the Versa did the best because it is bigger and heavier than the Fit, Yaris, Aveo, Accent.

    Newtonian physics dictate that when two objects collide, the object with greater mass will transfer energy or loose energy to the object with less mass.

    If you are in a lighter vehicle hit by a heavier vehicle, you stand a good chance of coming out the worst of the two vehicles.

    Anway, the way the guy from IIHS talks in the video about the Minicar test, you feel ENCOURAGED to give up a little fuel economy to have more car around you to protect you in a crash.

    Mark.
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    Incidently, the independant company that sets lease end values gave Edge the HIGHEST residual percentage for any vehicle in its class.

    Somebody out there thinks Edge will hold its value, and banks will be risking alot of money on that recommendation.

    Mark.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    Newtonian physics dictate that when two objects collide, the object with greater mass will transfer energy or loose energy to the object with less mass.

    Not exactly. If the more massive object is stationary just before impact it will acquire kinetic energy while the lighter one loses kinetic energy.

    What you meant to say is that while the exchange of momentum between the two is equal and opposite, the change in speed of the more massive object is less than that of the lighter object. This is why your conclusion is correct and why the windshield wins over the bug. :)

    tidester, host
  • srangersranger Posts: 106
    I would not want to be the guy/gal that made that decision in a couple of years when the first leases are up....
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    If you visit www.highwaysafety.org, and check out the crash test news release about Minicars, the Versa did the best because it is bigger and heavier than the Fit, Yaris, Aveo, Accent.

    Actually, the Versa only did better in the rear impact test, which is a test of the seats and headrests on 20mph impact. Nothing at all to do with weight.
  • srangersranger Posts: 106
    Excellent answer about the physics...

    However, the crumple zones on the car do far more to save the lives of the occupants than the weight. It is better to decelerate the car more slowly by allowing the energy to be absorbed by bending metal...
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    It is better to decelerate the car more slowly by allowing the energy to be absorbed by bending metal...

    Precisely!

    tidester, host
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    Watch the video, the talking head goes on and on about heavier is better.

    Mark.
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    But just being heavy isn't enough. That's why some small cars have better side impact safety ratings. When you're T-Boned by another vehicle, a really heavy car with a poor door design and lack of side airbags isn't any safer than a better designed small car with side airbags. Maybe (big maybe because I'm no auto engineer) since the smaller car moves when it's hit, some of the energy of the crash is used, while some big cars don't move as much, but metal in the doors is pushed into the passenger compartment. I don't really know exactly, but I do know that some smaller cars get better side impact scores.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,778
    "The ride quality is comfortable, and the handling is good for a 4,200-pounder, but neither is anything to write home about. Around cloverleaf entrance ramps, our front-driver feels top-heavy and predisposed to understeer."

    2007 Ford Edge: A Second Look

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  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    Funny, the Edge is 2 heavy yet the Honda Pilot which weighs more is not.

    Mark.
  • The Edge is a new design, so there was some hope we could get it in at about 3800 lbs with new, strong, lighter materials. The Pilot has been out for a few years and is slightly bigger than the Edge, so it should weigh slightly more. As is, the Edge without panoramic roof, weighs about 4100 lbs, only a little too porky, as the bigger Freestyle weighs 4000 lbs. With more extensive use of aluminum and/or boron HSS they could have gotten the vehicle weight down to 3500 lbs if they wanted to, improving performance as well as fuel economy. The Japanese put an aluminum roof on the latest Outlander to keep it from being top-heavy, so why can't Ford be innovative on their brand-new design?
  • srangersranger Posts: 106
    The Japanese put an aluminum roof on the latest Outlander to keep it from being top-heavy, so why can't Ford be innovative on their brand-new design?

    It is not a good answer, but the fact is that Ford is running out of money and they could not afford to keep the weight down on the Edge and these lighter materials are more expensive to produce and require more engineering to get right...

    Heck they could not even afford to get rid of the old 4 speed atuo in the 2008 Escape...
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    This isn't about cost as much as its about prior bad decisions coming home to roost.

    Appearntly we are stuck with the 4 speed in the 08 Escape because Ford has no factory capacity for the new 6 speed.

    Ford just announced a new plant inventment:
    Van [non-permissible content removed] Transmission: $320 million to help assemble a fuel-efficient, six-speed, front-wheel drive transmission for the next generation Ford Escape.

    We have to wait until 2010.

    Mark
  • srangersranger Posts: 106
    We have to wait until 2010.

    Ouch....

    That is going to hurt sales....
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    With all the white collar job eliminations at Ford, I hope the people (managers) who got the company into this mess are the ones being targeted.

    Mark.
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